WW XCIV Group Therapy - Game Over! - Page 60

Autumn · 05-20-2009, 05:09 PM

Oh and Lathum, I'd love to hear a definite vote decision from you, even though you can't vote, so we have something to judge you by.

Autumn · 05-20-2009, 05:09 PM

dola I'm heading off to dinner, will be back in at least briefly before deadline.

Chief Rum · 05-20-2009, 05:13 PM

I agree that, from the outside, there should be a limit to what trust you can and should attach to what hoops and I say. It's compeltely reasonable to figure we're wolves trying to buy time.

If you want to test this, you could certainly lynch one of us. Having been far less available, especially recently, I would put myself up first rather than hoops, but that's up to you all, if you choose to go this route.

But the best way for the village is to not go after either of us and concentrate on the players with the worst voting records. Now, doing that got my vote on clap a couple times, so it's not fool proof. But it's a good start.

And although I don't think I have the best voting record around, I'm not barren either. Consider that I played a key role in putting Telle at risk on Day Three to a lynch to ensure a tie. My vote was on saldana before that. PB and Telle were the top vote getters. I switched to Telle to break the tie and loudly campaigned for us all to avoid a tie at that time. If I were a wolf, why would I choose Telle over PB with, what, five minutes left in the game?

Sure, I ended up switching off to (again) ensure we got a lynch, and the result was PB was lynched, but that's quite the leap if you guys think I orchestrated PB getting lynched in five minutes of play at the deadline. I mean, I know some people have said I am a dangerous player, but that's giving me waaaaayy too much credit.

And that's on top of the EF vote on Day One, with a clear opportunity to jump to PB to put either EF or Telle out of range.

Other votes I have made, such as clap and saldana, their voting records at that time are undeniable.

If you think I am a wolf after all that, go ahead and lynch me. If that allows the village to at least clear hoops, I figure it is worth it. But I am afraid we're up against it now with probably three wolves left. So consider carefully.

BTW, I think hoops' theory on the Telle lynching yesterday has a lot of legs. It's a bold play. The wolves already showed their willingness to be bold with the EF criticism. This is another in the same sort of move, IMO.

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Oh and Lathum, I'd love to hear a definite vote decision from you, even though you can't vote, so we have something to judge you by.

hard to say but I would probably be voting Jackal based on his voting record, however that may be a throwaway so likely it would be Dubb since I want to see how the Hoops-CR dynamic plays out

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

dola I'm heading off to dinner, will be back in at least briefly before deadline.

dinner at 5:05, who are you, Morty Seinfeld?

dubb93 · 05-20-2009, 05:17 PM

I really don't know what to make of the votes on me. I think I've played my best villager game since I started playing here again. I'm having a hard time seeing anything I've done that screams wolf. I don't understand the votes on me, but you if you think I'm blowing smoke up your ass vote for me I guess, it just puts the wolves one day closer to winning this damn game.

hoopsguy · 05-20-2009, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

dinner at 5:05, who are you, Morty Seinfeld?

Autumn = blue hair.

Poli · 05-20-2009, 05:21 PM

FWIW, I ate what I consider to be my dinner 20 minutes ago.

hoopsguy · 05-20-2009, 05:38 PM

Dinner = threadkiller?

dubb93 · 05-20-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Dinner = threadkiller?

Looks like it, I'm about to head that way myself.

Chief Rum · 05-20-2009, 05:45 PM

If you guys were on the West Coast, you would still be at work.

Poli · 05-20-2009, 05:48 PM

Not if I could help it.

hoopsguy · 05-20-2009, 06:02 PM

OK, I'm out until after deadline. If people are not going after Lathum then hopefully the remaining villagers can make a better pick today than I did.

Autumn · 05-20-2009, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

dinner at 5:05, who are you, Morty Seinfeld?

No, just desperately interested in getting the kids asleep before too late (and deadline).

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 06:21 PM

so has everyone voted?

Chief Rum · 05-20-2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

so has everyone voted?

I haven't. What's the vote count right now?

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 06:56 PM

Hoops -1 MT (2878)
Abe -4 Jackal (2853), Dubb (2854), Poli (2913), PF (2917)
Lathum 1- Hoops (2866)
DT -1 Saldana (2923)
Dubb-2 Autumn (2941),abe ( 2950)

I am going off hoops last count and making the few changes but I think this is correct

Autumn · 05-20-2009, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

hard to say but I would probably be voting Jackal based on his voting record, however that may be a throwaway so likely it would be Dubb since I want to see how the Hoops-CR dynamic plays out

What do you make of Jackal's suggestion that he has an independent role, seemingly backed up by Saldana?

Autumn · 05-20-2009, 07:01 PM

I don't like having 5 candidates this late in the game. I'll be back later.

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

What do you make of Jackal's suggestion that he has an independent role, seemingly backed up by Saldana?

I vaguely recall Jackals statement but don't recall anything about it from Saldana

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't like having 5 candidates this late in the game. I'll be back later.

I agree, it's weird

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 07:04 PM

Another possibility is there is something in either Hoops or CR's roles to lead them to a false conclusion

Abe Sargent · 05-20-2009, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

If you guys were on the West Coast, you would still be at work.

I thought that would mean I'd be smoking weed and playing beach volleyball

Poli · 05-20-2009, 07:09 PM

So you don't drink but you smoke weed? Weird.

DaddyTorgo · 05-20-2009, 07:10 PM

well since hoops-lathum isn't the way we are going today I am comfortable switching to abe if needed.

also discovered I don't have a backup laptop it appears

Poli · 05-20-2009, 07:12 PM

I'll be leaving for church in about 20 minutes. I don't see anything that compels me to change my vote.

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 07:16 PM

why Abe, DT?

Chief Rum · 05-20-2009, 07:16 PM

I'm not wild about these choices. dubb has always been one of the best voters for the village, and I haven't been reading Abe as a wolf at all.

I am going to go with my gut, independent role or not.

VOTE THE JACKAL

Plus, voting record, of course.

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 07:19 PM

So not only does CR introduce a 6th candidate today, but he doesn't vote with his BFF hoops?

Something doesn't smell right

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

So you don't drink but you smoke weed? Weird.

It amazes me that there are people out there who don't drink.

I love to drink.

Abe Sargent · 05-20-2009, 07:22 PM

Never drunk a drop of an alcoholic beverage in my life

Poli · 05-20-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Never drunk a drop of an alcoholic beverage in my life

Right. I knew that. The perplexing issue is that you don't drink yet have smoked weed?

Alcohol? No, thanks, nothing like that in my system.

Weed? Hand it over.

Color me confused. I actually think weed is the greater of the two "evils"...but, meh, your choice. I don't want to sound indignant, preachy, or whatever.

That said, I think I'm out until after deadline/church.

dubb93 · 05-20-2009, 07:27 PM

Abe I'm still confused about any role you could have. You took the one role I thought you might have and said you don't have it.

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Never drunk a drop of an alcoholic beverage in my life

that is just so strange to me.

Now obviously everyone has their reasons, and I have the utmost respect for that. It's just so strange to me, I can't imagine not drinking, nor can I imagine my friends not drinking.

I think I am gonna start drinking right now

Poli · 05-20-2009, 07:33 PM

I didn't drink a drop until I was 27. I wish I never had.

Autumn · 05-20-2009, 07:35 PM

Drink enough for both ofyou, Lathum!

Autumn · 05-20-2009, 07:37 PM

Yeah, I really don't like these votes by DT and CR. Introduce a new candidate? That's as good as saying voting Abe, or just letting the wolves do what they wish.

Frankly, I think people should be worried that there was an easy pileup on Abe, and that now people say "I see no reason to move." I think we've got the wolves there, probably. Or staying away from it on fringe candidates so they can say they weren't voting out a villager.

Abe Sargent · 05-20-2009, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poli

Right. I knew that. The perplexing issue is that you don't drink yet have smoked weed?

Alcohol? No, thanks, nothing like that in my system.

Weed? Hand it over.

Color me confused. I actually think weed is the greater of the two "evils"...but, meh, your choice. I don't want to sound indignant, preachy, or whatever.

That said, I think I'm out until after deadline/church.

It was a joke, I've never smoked weed either, calm down.

Autumn · 05-20-2009, 07:38 PM

I think we should let Abe and Lathum ride at this point. I think both of their mysterious roles could be much clearer in another night or so.

Abe Sargent · 05-20-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

Drink enough for both ofyou, Lathum!

I'm a pretty big guy. That's a lot.

Abe Sargent · 05-20-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think we should let Abe and Lathum ride at this point. I think both of their mysterious roles could be much clearer in another night or so.

When BK died, my role became meaningless.

Danny · 05-20-2009, 07:39 PM

I didn't drink until 22 or so (almost 26 now). My wife is Armenian, so I will drink at those parties / fun stuff which is fun, and occasionally some wine with my wife, but other than that I don't have the need for it. On my honeymoon I did have pina coladas, and daiquiris not stop though. But I love those for the sugar.

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 07:40 PM

So hoops and CR, who have this connection are each casting wasted votes. Not sure what to make of that.

Lathum · 05-20-2009, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I'm a pretty big guy. That's a lot.

I can drink alot, but not tonight. I have to much work to do

Autumn · 05-20-2009, 07:41 PM

vote count?

Danny · 05-20-2009, 07:42 PM

I'll work on the vote count.

Abe Sargent · 05-20-2009, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

So hoops and CR, who have this connection are each casting wasted votes. Not sure what to make of that.

Noticed that, did you?

dubb93 · 05-20-2009, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

When BK died, my role became meaningless.

I don't get it. How could your role be dependant on BK? I don't see how his role would relate to anything that would allow you to ID him on day 1.

dubb93 · 05-20-2009, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

that now people say "I see no reason to move." I think we've got the wolves there, probably. Or staying away from it on fringe candidates so they can say they weren't voting out a villager.

Even if I didn't think Abe was the best choice, which I do, who would I move to at this point? Myself? I see no reason to do that, I know that I am a villager.

Danny · 05-20-2009, 07:46 PM

As of 2997

1 Hoopsguy - DaddyTorgo (2879)
4 Abe - The Jackal (2853), Dubb (2854), Poli (2913), PackerFanatic (2917)
1 Lathum - Hoopsguy (2866)
1 DaddyTorgo - Saldana (2923)
2 Dubb - Autumn (2941), Abe (2950)
1 Jackal - Chief Rum (2977)

Abe Sargent · 05-20-2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

I don't get it. How could your role be dependant on BK? I don't see how his role would relate to anything that would allow you to ID him on day 1.

I never said his role would or did.

05-20-2009, 05:13 PM	#2953
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I agree that, from the outside, there should be a limit to what trust you can and should attach to what hoops and I say. It's compeltely reasonable to figure we're wolves trying to buy time. If you want to test this, you could certainly lynch one of us. Having been far less available, especially recently, I would put myself up first rather than hoops, but that's up to you all, if you choose to go this route. But the best way for the village is to not go after either of us and concentrate on the players with the worst voting records. Now, doing that got my vote on clap a couple times, so it's not fool proof. But it's a good start. And although I don't think I have the best voting record around, I'm not barren either. Consider that I played a key role in putting Telle at risk on Day Three to a lynch to ensure a tie. My vote was on saldana before that. PB and Telle were the top vote getters. I switched to Telle to break the tie and loudly campaigned for us all to avoid a tie at that time. If I were a wolf, why would I choose Telle over PB with, what, five minutes left in the game? Sure, I ended up switching off to (again) ensure we got a lynch, and the result was PB was lynched, but that's quite the leap if you guys think I orchestrated PB getting lynched in five minutes of play at the deadline. I mean, I know some people have said I am a dangerous player, but that's giving me waaaaayy too much credit. And that's on top of the EF vote on Day One, with a clear opportunity to jump to PB to put either EF or Telle out of range. Other votes I have made, such as clap and saldana, their voting records at that time are undeniable. If you think I am a wolf after all that, go ahead and lynch me. If that allows the village to at least clear hoops, I figure it is worth it. But I am afraid we're up against it now with probably three wolves left. So consider carefully. BTW, I think hoops' theory on the Telle lynching yesterday has a lot of legs. It's a bold play. The wolves already showed their willingness to be bold with the EF criticism. This is another in the same sort of move, IMO. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

05-20-2009, 05:21 PM	#2958
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	FWIW, I ate what I consider to be my dinner 20 minutes ago. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-20-2009, 05:45 PM	#2961
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	If you guys were on the West Coast, you would still be at work. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

05-20-2009, 05:48 PM	#2962
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Not if I could help it. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-20-2009, 07:09 PM	#2973
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	So you don't drink but you smoke weed? Weird. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-20-2009, 05:09 PM	#2951
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Oh and Lathum, I'd love to hear a definite vote decision from you, even though you can't vote, so we have something to judge you by.

05-20-2009, 05:09 PM	#2952
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	dola I'm heading off to dinner, will be back in at least briefly before deadline.

05-20-2009, 05:38 PM	#2959
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Dinner = threadkiller?

05-20-2009, 06:02 PM	#2963
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, I'm out until after deadline. If people are not going after Lathum then hopefully the remaining villagers can make a better pick today than I did.

05-20-2009, 06:21 PM	#2965
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	so has everyone voted?

05-20-2009, 06:56 PM	#2967
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Hoops -1 MT (2878) Abe -4 Jackal (2853), Dubb (2854), Poli (2913), PF (2917) Lathum 1- Hoops (2866) DT -1 Saldana (2923) Dubb-2 Autumn (2941),abe ( 2950) I am going off hoops last count and making the few changes but I think this is correct

05-20-2009, 07:01 PM	#2969
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I don't like having 5 candidates this late in the game. I'll be back later.

05-20-2009, 07:04 PM	#2971
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Another possibility is there is something in either Hoops or CR's roles to lead them to a false conclusion

05-20-2009, 07:10 PM	#2974
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	well since hoops-lathum isn't the way we are going today I am comfortable switching to abe if needed. also discovered I don't have a backup laptop it appears __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

05-20-2009, 07:12 PM	#2975
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I'll be leaving for church in about 20 minutes. I don't see anything that compels me to change my vote. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-20-2009, 07:16 PM	#2976
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	why Abe, DT?

05-20-2009, 07:16 PM	#2977
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I'm not wild about these choices. dubb has always been one of the best voters for the village, and I haven't been reading Abe as a wolf at all. I am going to go with my gut, independent role or not. VOTE THE JACKAL Plus, voting record, of course. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

05-20-2009, 07:19 PM	#2978
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	So not only does CR introduce a 6th candidate today, but he doesn't vote with his BFF hoops? Something doesn't smell right

05-20-2009, 07:22 PM	#2980
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Never drunk a drop of an alcoholic beverage in my life __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-20-2009, 07:33 PM	#2984
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I didn't drink a drop until I was 27. I wish I never had. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-20-2009, 07:35 PM	#2985
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Drink enough for both ofyou, Lathum!

05-20-2009, 07:37 PM	#2986
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Yeah, I really don't like these votes by DT and CR. Introduce a new candidate? That's as good as saying voting Abe, or just letting the wolves do what they wish. Frankly, I think people should be worried that there was an easy pileup on Abe, and that now people say "I see no reason to move." I think we've got the wolves there, probably. Or staying away from it on fringe candidates so they can say they weren't voting out a villager.

05-20-2009, 07:38 PM	#2988
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I think we should let Abe and Lathum ride at this point. I think both of their mysterious roles could be much clearer in another night or so.

05-20-2009, 07:39 PM	#2991
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I didn't drink until 22 or so (almost 26 now). My wife is Armenian, so I will drink at those parties / fun stuff which is fun, and occasionally some wine with my wife, but other than that I don't have the need for it. On my honeymoon I did have pina coladas, and daiquiris not stop though. But I love those for the sugar.

05-20-2009, 07:40 PM	#2992
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	So hoops and CR, who have this connection are each casting wasted votes. Not sure what to make of that.

05-20-2009, 07:41 PM	#2994
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	vote count?

05-20-2009, 07:42 PM	#2995
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'll work on the vote count.

05-20-2009, 07:46 PM	#2999
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	As of 2997 1 Hoopsguy - DaddyTorgo (2879) 4 Abe - The Jackal (2853), Dubb (2854), Poli (2913), PackerFanatic (2917) 1 Lathum - Hoopsguy (2866) 1 DaddyTorgo - Saldana (2923) 2 Dubb - Autumn (2941), Abe (2950) 1 Jackal - Chief Rum (2977)

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