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Zinto · 03-02-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

False. Danny was injured on day 2 by an accident and not killed until day 4.

Plus, I recall Thom asking someone to guard me that night. Had he not, I may have been killed that night. I don't know if I was actually guarded or not, but the request was made publicly by Thom.

I was wrong I looked back at the front page(instead of going page by page to find story items) and I was wrong. I thought Schmidty was killed day two followed by Danny on day three but there was an interruption of a day.

I still find it odd that you were the only critically injured person who wasn't mercy killed thus far.

And no one would have been protecting you during the day. I have never played in a game with a day bodyguard.

Zinto · 03-02-2015, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven

Here you go. I was indeed guarded after my injury.

Yeah during the night. Unfortunately, the mercy killer strikes during the day.

The Jackal · 03-02-2015, 02:13 PM

I was wondering how the thread advanced so much.. oh CF

EagleFan · 03-02-2015, 02:14 PM

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EagleFan · 03-02-2015, 02:17 PM

Added the Tazer description to the Items. It's a defensive personal weapon.

The Jackal · 03-02-2015, 02:18 PM

Also timmae, I'm not sure if shark intended on working on the biodome or was just voting it as the desired action for the group.

Grover · 03-02-2015, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Added the Tazer description to the Items. It's a defensive personal weapon.

Don't taze me, bro!

timmae · 03-02-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Also timmae, I'm not sure if shark intended on working on the biodome or was just voting it as the desired action for the group.

He voted like he wanted to work on the biodome but I am thinking that might not be the case.

Shark... we have 3 on the dome and EF stated we only need 3 resources. Did you want to be the 3rd? If so, I can explore flatlands. Let me know...

Raven · 03-02-2015, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Also timmae, I'm not sure if shark intended on working on the biodome or was just voting it as the desired action for the group.

But EF said today's vote...
- All votes for action are taken as an action for that player, this is not an overall vote where the highest vote getting wins

So voting for an action today also seems to mean you are performing the job yourself.

The Jackal · 03-02-2015, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven

But EF said today's vote...
- All votes for action are taken as an action for that player, this is not an overall vote where the highest vote getting wins

So voting for an action today also seems to mean you are performing the job yourself.

Unless you PM him that you aren't planning on working on it, right?

timmae · 03-02-2015, 02:49 PM

dammit... where's our leader? Anyone? Hello? Mission Control? Blue and Black? Bullets? Pillow? Mars bars?

I almost like safety in numbers so I may just stay on the biodome even if shark doesn't clarify. We'll just get done that much quicker and be able to stare at Phobos and Deimos (Mars' moons).

Raven · 03-02-2015, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinto

I was wrong I looked back at the front page(instead of going page by page to find story items) and I was wrong. I thought Schmidty was killed day two followed by Danny on day three but there was an interruption of a day.

I still find it odd that you were the only critically injured person who wasn't mercy killed thus far.

And no one would have been protecting you during the day. I have never played in a game with a day bodyguard.

By Mercy kill do you mean Angel of Mercy? I am assuming so.

I do not know why I was not killed. You seem to be correct that the Mercy kills are happening during the day. WHen I mentioned that I was guarded, I knew that would have happened at night, but didn't realize the mercy kills were all days kills.

You are wrong that I am the only person hit by a trap that was not mercy killed.

bitrock, like Danny also seemed to have been hit by a trap and injured. bitrock died 2 days later, but that was not a mercy kill. The mercy kill that day was to fontisian and bitrock got killed by something else.

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Night 7 Results
There has been an accident. Another trap has been set and britrock88 was caught in the trap. He has been injured but it will not affect his actions for day 8.

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Bloodbath Ensues

Screams are heard. Multiple screams and a major struggle.

In the chaos that follows everyone is scrambling to see what has happened. There is blood everywhere, an incredible struggle must have taken place.

Then the fog in your mind clears and you see the drama which has played out...

fontisian has become a victim of a killer. She has been strangled in her weakened state. There is a note next to her. "Angel of Mercy" It seems the killer has gotten bolder and named himself.

Laying in a puddle of blood you see britrock88. He has been brutally attacked and murdered. What is happening in this colony? Next to his body you see a note "Viva La Resistance...Revenge!!!"

fontisian was a history teacher that was fired for making students pay for better grades. She was your first leader, newly elected member of the police force and now murdered by a psychopath. She was also the leader of The Resistance and had brutal kill abilities (she took someone with her, or her supporter(s) did for her).

britrock88 was a police officer that was suspended for brutality before he joined the colony. He served on the police force while with the colony. He was also a member of the Truth Seekers with cunning ability (he would not scan as a wolf).

Raven · 03-02-2015, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Unless you PM him that you aren't planning on working on it, right?

correct

Raven · 03-02-2015, 02:56 PM

noone else has volunteered, so I will go in after the communicator.

action - retrieve communicator

Zinto · 03-02-2015, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven

By Mercy kill do you mean Angel of Mercy? I am assuming so.

I do not know why I was not killed. You seem to be correct that the Mercy kills are happening during the day. WHen I mentioned that I was guarded, I knew that would have happened at night, but didn't realize the mercy kills were all days kills.

You are wrong that I am the only person hit by a trap that was not mercy killed.

bitrock, like Danny also seemed to have been hit by a trap and injured. bitrock died 2 days later, but that was not a mercy kill. The mercy kill that day was to fontisian and bitrock got killed by something else.

He wasn't injured significantly. It was why I asked how injured you were. He was able to do actions that day. The Angel of Truth is a coward and seems to like to kill those who cannot defend themselves.

Raven · 03-02-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

He wasn't injured significantly. It was why I asked how injured you were. He was able to do actions that day. The Angel of Truth is a coward and seems to like to kill those who cannot defend themselves.

Good point on him not being significantly injured. The rest of us injured by the trap (me, Danny, Thomkal, fontisian) all seem to have had more severe injuries. Maybe bitrock's physical skill limited his injury. And Thomkal obviously was not killed because fontisian was instead.

Thomkal · 03-02-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by timmae

I have to think that Martial Law OR Thom's Reign triggered the Seeker of Truths (werewolf voting).

As far as I know she did not know about my Martial Law power because I never brought it up. I have a feeling she did know at some point before because I think that whole thing with not assigning people that one night was done on purpose so I would use Martial Law.

Thomkal · 03-02-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

thom, does this mean you brit and dang are the seekers of truth? :P haha

Very funny

But you can call me the seeker of WTF is going on in this game I guess.

Thomkal · 03-02-2015, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by timmae

Is it a trap during the day and kill at night sequence?

That's I've been thinking, and if it's true, then the "trapster" could not have explored "yesterday I'n guessing?

Raven · 03-02-2015, 03:29 PM

I think Zinto and my conversation proved the trap is sprung at night and the Mercy kill is during the day. Don't think that the trap being sprung at night eliminates the possibility that the trapster can't have "regular" night actions though.

Narcizo · 03-02-2015, 04:01 PM

I'd like to point out a few things
1) my medical skill isn't that great. Someone might want to help out healing Suicane
2) there are still votes on DanGarion and Golden Eagle. I just can't see the cunning even putting himself in the situation where he has to save a fellow wolf. Just bury him and move on. There's just too many ways for DanG to be revealed out for that to be any sort of decent play. Golden can't be the murderer and he duked the leader of the Resistance. Nothing to say he isn't a Truth Seeker but barring any sort of decent evidence voting for him seems not to be optimal.

Narcizo · 03-02-2015, 04:07 PM

Wolfies waiting to see what Shoveler has to say before voting/making any sort of case against anyone?

Thomkal · 03-02-2015, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

FYI I can't vote today because I am in jail. Which by the way, was a bad decision by our leader.

I like the line of thinking that Raven/CF could be the murderer.

I think Thomkal is likely in the resistance.

wrong about me. Let's go back to when you duke'd to Font-why her? did you know at that time she was a member/leader of the resistance?

Shoveler · 03-02-2015, 04:10 PM

So a couple of you have brought up why i am still alive. I have had that same question in mind over the past couple of days. I've got two possible explanations.

1. The Angel of Mercy can't be guaranteed success unless I am injured
or
2. The Angel of Mercy thinks they are shielded due to a previous failed interrogation.

I'm worried that the Angel of Mercy just went to the heat source and had may be more dangerous than they were previously. So I suppose now is the time to be proactive rather than playing the wait and see game.

Vote: CrimsonFox

Grover · 03-02-2015, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoveler

So a couple of you have brought up why i am still alive. I have had that same question in mind over the past couple of days. I've got two possible explanations.

1. The Angel of Mercy can't be guaranteed success unless I am injured
or
2. The Angel of Mercy thinks they are shielded due to a previous failed interrogation.

I'm worried that the Angel of Mercy just went to the heat source and had may be more dangerous than they were previously. So I suppose now is the time to be proactive rather than playing the wait and see game.

Vote: CrimsonFox

Why do you think that they visited the heat source?

Shoveler · 03-02-2015, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

Why do you think that they visited the heat source?

Because he was with the group that went out there. Go back and read the conversations after they got back. I took it as they may have gotten some sort of increase in their abilities.

EagleFan · 03-02-2015, 04:16 PM

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Poli · 03-02-2015, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

What's the sound? You hear something approaching from the distance. It is that feeling of dread. You hear the haunted voice of the legend known as Poli, it echoes in you head... "Oh sh*t...."

I'm pretty sure my name was just used in vain.

GoldenEagle · 03-02-2015, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

wrong about me. Let's go back to when you duke'd to Font-why her? did you know at that time she was a member/leader of the resistance?

I will answer those questions. But first, I think you should explain why you essentially duked my duke.

Grover · 03-02-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoveler

Because he was with the group that went out there. Go back and read the conversations after they got back. I took it as they may have gotten some sort of increase in their abilities.

But who is to say that the murderer actually visited the heat source?

The Jackal · 03-02-2015, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poli

I'm pretty sure my name was just used in vain.

You probably think this song is about you

The Jackal · 03-02-2015, 04:24 PM

I'll fully admit that I still don't have a very good grasp of the different groups and who is "bad"

The Jackal · 03-02-2015, 04:25 PM

Now that the trade deadline has passed I will be able to devote more mental effort

CrimsonFox · 03-02-2015, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Now that the trade deadline has passed I will be able to devote more mental effort

trade deadline?
items can be traded?

Sharkn20 · 03-02-2015, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

I'm reconsidering about Jackal. It looks as though the Fonti-led team whacked Chief Rum and Autumn which is exactly where I would expect Fonti to go with her kills. The team with Britrock took out Jag. That's exactly where I would expect Britrock to hit on his first night of a kill. So we don't need Jackal to be a wolf to explain Jag being hit. He could still be a wolf but the percentages are a bit lower now.

I'm getting a gut-feeling that Shark is a bad 'un. Well, him and timmae, but timmae's helpfullness to the colony while no guarantee of his allegiance makes me less inclined to vote for him. Bear in mind that my gut-feelings are generally worse than useless.

Unvote Jackal
Vote Shark

You are absolutely wrong voting for me... But this is a free planet so whatever

Sharkn20 · 03-02-2015, 04:31 PM

unvote shoveler
Vot dangarion

Just matter of survive man sorry

Shoveler · 03-02-2015, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grover

But who is to say that the murderer actually visited the heat source?

EF posted that they all returned. If he wasn't with them I would think we would have heard about that by now.

At this point everything I have points at CF. It's not concrete evidence, but we won't know for sure until he's dead.

- He was interrogated and resisted the interrogation
- There was no AoM kill the day/night he was in jail

Could it be a frame job... sure. But I am willing to take that risk.

timmae · 03-02-2015, 04:31 PM

Hawks did well for themselves.. Removed $3mil by trading Smith. Nice move by Young Bowman!

Sharkn20 · 03-02-2015, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by timmae

He voted like he wanted to work on the biodome but I am thinking that might not be the case.

Shark... we have 3 on the dome and EF stated we only need 3 resources. Did you want to be the 3rd? If so, I can explore flatlands. Let me know...

No problems bro! Go ahead!

CrimsonFox · 03-02-2015, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by timmae

The first mention of a trap was when raven talked about his "accident".

Post #1693.

Post #1775.

Post #2602.

yeah raven's account makes sense that he was told details of his accident. Was he the first trapee? he sounds like it so that explains his excitement about it.

Raven · 03-02-2015, 04:37 PM

Let me just highlight some of EF's quotes...
See bolded below...

So bitrock killed Jag, and the groups did not emerge until the change of events triggered them?

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Night 7 Results

A lot has happened overnight.

Chief Rum has been found murdered in cold blood. Next to his body lies a note "Viva La Resistance". Chief Rum was an ER nurse who had lost everything to tragedy and volunteered for this mission to get away from it all, ultimately that was achieved.

JAG has been found in a pool of blood. There was a mighty struggle and he fell victim to his attacker. There is a note left with him as well, Seek the Truth. JAG was a high school football coach that was fired because of deflating balls. He joined the mission to start over.

There has been an accident. Another trap has been set and britrock88 was caught in the trap. He has been injured but it will not affect his actions for day 8.

There is a new government structure as Shoveler is now Thomkal's right hand man.

There has been a loss to the police force and to the medical staff. New choices are coming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Need to get some sleep. Will be on in the morning.

With the major changes that took place due to a couple events that triggered the change I guess we can now say to the new players...

Welcome to Werewolf

timmae · 03-02-2015, 04:38 PM

Can anyone who took the trip to the heat source tell us more about your experience there? Also, why are we risking additional damage to one of us to go back into the pod? Do we think there is more info to gain from mission control?

Grover · 03-02-2015, 04:38 PM

Danny was the first trapee, but Raven is the first to survive through more than the next day. Well, Thomkal too.

timmae · 03-02-2015, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Let me just highlight some of EF's quotes...
See bolded below...

So bitrock killed Jag, and the groups did not emerge until the change of events triggered them?

Martian law was already declared by then though, right?

See what I did there

CrimsonFox · 03-02-2015, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grover

But how much of these multiple factions is a result of font losing out on leadership and marshal law being declared with Thomkal's rise to power.

I don't disagree with it either. I definitely was one who got great benefit from it. But I believe in my engineering ability and in my ability to help this colony survive and prosper.

I don't think anyone quiestioned you or even had the right to considering your former job. I think you were the major shoe-in based on your previous position.

As far as the multiple faction thing and when it started I have zero clue.
THe resistance indeed SEEMED to have started when martial law started and themewise that makes sense.

The TruthSeeker people, that is another uncracked nut. I don't understand them at all. They could have been around before that and might have been the source of early vote manipulation

The Jackal · 03-02-2015, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

trade deadline?
items can be traded?

NHL trade deadline

Raven · 03-02-2015, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

yeah raven's account makes sense that he was told details of his accident. Was he the first trapee? he sounds like it so that explains his excitement about it.

No i don't think i was the first trapee. I think Danny was. I already mentioned this multiple times.
Again, people that I think have been hit by the trap, according to similar wording when injured: Danny, me, bitrock, Thomkal, fontisian.

CrimsonFox · 03-02-2015, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by timmae

Martian law was already declared by then though, right?

See what I did there

I did.

Can you chronicle that?

The Jackal · 03-02-2015, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharkn20

You are absolutely wrong voting for me... But this is a free planet so whatever

Do you want to expand on why a vote for you isn't smart?

CrimsonFox · 03-02-2015, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

No i don't think i was the first trapee. I think Danny was. I already mentioned this multiple times.
Again, people that I think have been hit by the trap, according to similar wording when injured: Danny, me, bitrock, Thomkal, fontisian.

OH MY GOD DUDE STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

03-02-2015, 02:14 PM	#3054
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03-02-2015, 02:17 PM	#3055
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Added the Tazer description to the Items. It's a defensive personal weapon. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

03-02-2015, 02:49 PM	#3061
timmae College Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago	dammit... where's our leader? Anyone? Hello? Mission Control? Blue and Black? Bullets? Pillow? Mars bars? I almost like safety in numbers so I may just stay on the biodome even if shark doesn't clarify. We'll just get done that much quicker and be able to stare at Phobos and Deimos (Mars' moons). __________________ Interactive OOTP 15 Dynasty (Single Season) CHAMPION!! Oh yeah... Happy New York Day everyone!

03-02-2015, 04:16 PM	#3077
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03-02-2015, 04:31 PM	#3088
timmae College Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago	Hawks did well for themselves.. Removed $3mil by trading Smith. Nice move by Young Bowman! __________________ Interactive OOTP 15 Dynasty (Single Season) CHAMPION!! Oh yeah... Happy New York Day everyone!

03-02-2015, 02:13 PM	#3053
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I was wondering how the thread advanced so much.. oh CF

03-02-2015, 02:18 PM	#3056
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Also timmae, I'm not sure if shark intended on working on the biodome or was just voting it as the desired action for the group.

03-02-2015, 02:56 PM	#3064
Raven College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Baltimore, MD	noone else has volunteered, so I will go in after the communicator. action - retrieve communicator

03-02-2015, 03:29 PM	#3070
Raven College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Baltimore, MD	I think Zinto and my conversation proved the trap is sprung at night and the Mercy kill is during the day. Don't think that the trap being sprung at night eliminates the possibility that the trapster can't have "regular" night actions though.

03-02-2015, 04:01 PM	#3071
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	I'd like to point out a few things 1) my medical skill isn't that great. Someone might want to help out healing Suicane 2) there are still votes on DanGarion and Golden Eagle. I just can't see the cunning even putting himself in the situation where he has to save a fellow wolf. Just bury him and move on. There's just too many ways for DanG to be revealed out for that to be any sort of decent play. Golden can't be the murderer and he duked the leader of the Resistance. Nothing to say he isn't a Truth Seeker but barring any sort of decent evidence voting for him seems not to be optimal.

03-02-2015, 04:07 PM	#3072
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Wolfies waiting to see what Shoveler has to say before voting/making any sort of case against anyone?

03-02-2015, 04:10 PM	#3074
Shoveler High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Minnesota	So a couple of you have brought up why i am still alive. I have had that same question in mind over the past couple of days. I've got two possible explanations. 1. The Angel of Mercy can't be guaranteed success unless I am injured or 2. The Angel of Mercy thinks they are shielded due to a previous failed interrogation. I'm worried that the Angel of Mercy just went to the heat source and had may be more dangerous than they were previously. So I suppose now is the time to be proactive rather than playing the wait and see game. Vote: CrimsonFox

03-02-2015, 04:24 PM	#3082
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'll fully admit that I still don't have a very good grasp of the different groups and who is "bad"

03-02-2015, 04:25 PM	#3083
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Now that the trade deadline has passed I will be able to devote more mental effort

03-02-2015, 04:31 PM	#3086
Sharkn20 High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2012	unvote shoveler Vot dangarion Just matter of survive man sorry

03-02-2015, 04:38 PM	#3092
timmae College Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago	Can anyone who took the trip to the heat source tell us more about your experience there? Also, why are we risking additional damage to one of us to go back into the pod? Do we think there is more info to gain from mission control? __________________ Interactive OOTP 15 Dynasty (Single Season) CHAMPION!! Oh yeah... Happy New York Day everyone!

03-02-2015, 04:38 PM	#3093
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	Danny was the first trapee, but Raven is the first to survive through more than the next day. Well, Thomkal too. __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner

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