Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER) - Page 62

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:09 PM

Unvote Lathum
Vote Chief Rum

A first step, if you will.

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

so how did we become wolves then?

Well you both would've been on the ship that day IIRC (that was either the day with the ropes for you or one of the cooking days, correct?)

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I'll admit, that's not rule-out-able. It's not the case I don't think, but yeah, could be.

What about this. If we both think that CR is in cahoots with the other, let's vote for him

I don't think it really matters.

and if CR is in cahoots with anyone it proably is you.

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Well you both would've been on the ship that day IIRC (that was either the day with the ropes for you or one of the cooking days, correct?)

it was the day with the ropes.

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't think it really matters.

and if CR is in cahoots with anyone it proably is you.

Ha, I"d say the same about you.

If it doesn't matter, switch your vote. I mean it only has legs if someone else agrees with us

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

it was the day with the ropes.

Exactly, which is the day I think you got converted.

My speculation is that you got converted either that day or very shortly thereafter.

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:16 PM

as for why CR would vote for you 2 reasons.

A. He had to vote early and may have assumed people would go for me.

B He assumed my vote may carry extra weight and you would be lynched either way so why not vote for you so he can use that as a defense later

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

as for why CR would vote for you 2 reasons.

A. He had to vote early and may have assumed people would go for me.

B He assumed my vote may carry extra weight and you would be lynched either way so why not vote for you so he can use that as a defense later

While I would agree with you that those would be valid reasons, and strategically they make some sense (I think A has some faulty reasoning in it to a degree), I just don't see him being that verbose about it.

I mean it's one thing to vote for someone, it's another thing to give a standard CR reasoning for it, it's a whole other ballgame to break down an entire vote, whittle the candidates down in 5-6 paragraphs and ultimately pin the tail of your lone partner on the donkey.

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:19 PM

But either way, if you think CR is my partner, let's vote for him and find out

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

But either way, if you think CR is my partner, let's vote for him and find out

sorry bud, don't think we have time and I think it is 50/ 50 so I see no reason.

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:31 PM

if I was gonna stitch anywhere it would be to Kwhit or Taz

oliegirl · 04-17-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Could he have done it before being converted? That was early in the game

What about CR?

That is my thought, he was good when he gave it to me, but was converted after...maybe shortly before (a day or two) he "outed" my weapon...if he and Lathum are both wolves, then that would explain why shortly after I posted and asked for suggestions on who to use the then unknown weapon on, NFG outed me and Lathum then said something to the effect of "if I were Olie I'd kill Path12, or..." (I'd have to find the post for exact wording and details). NFG outed me thinking it would force my hand to use the weapon that day or fear being wolf killed that night and then Lathum made the suggestion knowing there was a chance I'd take his advice as a "trusted" villager...

Thoughts???

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

That is my thought, he was good when he gave it to me, but was converted after...maybe shortly before (a day or two) he "outed" my weapon...if he and Lathum are both wolves, then that would explain why shortly after I posted and asked for suggestions on who to use the then unknown weapon on, NFG outed me and Lathum then said something to the effect of "if I were Olie I'd kill Path12, or..." (I'd have to find the post for exact wording and details). NFG outed me thinking it would force my hand to use the weapon that day or fear being wolf killed that night and then Lathum made the suggestion knowing there was a chance I'd take his advice as a "trusted" villager...

Thoughts???

That makes sense to me.

I wasn't pushing the issue since I didn't think anyone would follow

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

if I was gonna stitch anywhere it would be to Kwhit or Taz

Pretty enlightening since I think the 3 wolves are you, CR and NFG and your vote is on me.

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:38 PM

Unvote Chief Rum
Vote NFG

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:39 PM

I just don't think there have been any conversions.

IMO this game seems pretty stacked against the village.

Conversions would make it virtualy impossible.

oliegirl · 04-17-2008, 01:40 PM

UNVOTE HEINZ
VOTE NFG

Willing to align myself with Ketchup Boy for the day...live on the edge and all that

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I just don't think there have been any conversions.

IMO this game seems pretty stacked against the village.

Conversions would make it virtualy impossible.

But what about the fact that Alan said nothing is random in this game? Wouldnt having starting wolves be inherently random?

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:41 PM

olie- why would NFG pass you the bullet if he was a wolf?

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliegirl

UNVOTE HEINZ
VOTE NFG

Willing to align myself with Ketchup Boy for the day...live on the edge and all that

Good move Olie. If nothing else, you've definitely unvoted a villager.

I think we're on the right track though.

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:42 PM

NTN, Taz - Thoughts about NFG?

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

But what about the fact that Alan said nothing is random in this game? Wouldnt having starting wolves be inherently random?

there is a difference between starting wolves and conversions.

let me word myself differently.

I don't think anyone became a wolf after day 1-2

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

olie- why would NFG pass you the bullet if he was a wolf?

My thinking on this at least is that he is either

A) To garner general trust

B) He wasn't a wolf yet at the time

C) Because in a way, in a game of little information, it's almost better to let a cluless villager do the shooting and just steer them to the shooting of a fellow villager. I mean, no one is blaiming NFG for Path's death, right? It's almost like getting a 2'fer in that regard.

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:44 PM

Especially if you out the person with the gun at an opportune time with an obvious villager target for them to use it on

oliegirl · 04-17-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

olie- why would NFG pass you the bullet if he was a wolf?

Because, as I've stated twice before, I suspect that NFG was converted AFTER he passed me the bullet.

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

there is a difference between starting wolves and conversions.

let me word myself differently.

I don't think anyone became a wolf after day 1-2

Why? Just hunch or ?

I mean if that's the case, then you certainly shouldn't think I'm one if one of your reasons is my late-vote in the SY vs Clap vote-off. If I was a wolf then, it would've been completely idiotic (not that it wasn't idiotic anyways since I'm a villager, but at least it was an uninformed idiocy then

)

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:46 PM

anyone got a count?

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Because, as I've stated twice before, I suspect that NFG was converted AFTER he passed me the bullet.

when did he pass you the bullet?

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:49 PM

unvote JeHeinze
Vote NFG

oliegirl · 04-17-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

WOW - you guys were busy last night!!!! I think I'm caught up, but would appreciate a vote count if anyone has one.

I rec'd NFG's item and it does match mine, so I do have a completed item, and this puts NFG into a COT for me...I really don't think that Alan would give a piece of this item to a wolf...

I will be submitting my destination for the day shortly, and will vote shortly also - I'm leaving about 12:30 or so and will be gone until after 3 pm. However at this point I am not planning on going to the hospital tonight so I will be around this evening before deadline and will be able to get any information to Alan if I have any kind of decision to make...I'm also going to give him my AIM ID so he can get me that way if he needs to

I'm very glad that SY is gone, he was really defensive and I never really saw where he needed to be. I understand it's hard to be the one that people suspect, and most peoples initial reaction is to get really defensive, but in ww that just makes things worse most of the time. I don't know, he just was really pinging my radar so we'll see what happens.

Not sure who to vote for, if someone wants to recap the last 24 hours and make a case for why I should vote one way or the other, please do...

Here is where I said that NFG passed me the item (bullet), it was the 10th so that would make it like day 3 or 4 maybe...a week ago so there has certainly been time for a conversion since then...

ntndeacon · 04-17-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

ok. So I am thinking about my theory for the wolves having to meet up on excursions so I went back and looked at the excursions the day before RA was killed.

from Pass

from CR

.

from Kwhit

JeHeinze

2) Shipwreck snorkeling, nothing happened, saw no one in particular

Interesting that CR claims thats what he tried to do.

NTNDeacon. Conch house also

that was day 3 today i went to the Conch house and saw one other person there.

Taz

I saw ntndeacon at the shell house

Ollie- unknown

I did see Taz in the conch house , and I did have something happen..I got that conch powder. Obviously Taz didn't get that option.

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:50 PM

jeheinz72 (4) - nfg22 (2977), Chief Rum (2981), KWhit (2995), NTN
NFG (3) - jeheinz72 (2993), Olie, Lathum

No Vote: Taz

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:50 PM

NTN & Taz, what are your thoughts on NFG?

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

unvote JeHeinze
Vote NFG

Good man Lathum, you're making the right call (or the magnificent play!)

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Good man Lathum, you're making the right call (or the magnificent play!)

I'm not sure sure, but if you are playing me at least I can say I told you so!

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:54 PM

I need a beer.

It's my birthday dammit

mccollins · 04-17-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I did see Taz in the conch house , and I did have something happen..I got that conch powder. Obviously Taz didn't get that option.

My foot doesn't hurt now that I'm dead ... BBBRRRAAAAIINNNNSSS!!!

mccollins · 04-17-2008, 01:55 PM

@Oliegirl: Congrats on your upcoming wedding!
@Lathum: Happy Birthday!

Villagers, back to playing! Get 'em!

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 01:57 PM

I'm pretty sure heinze is good, it would be easy for a wolf to save him at this point

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm not sure sure, but if you are playing me at least I can say I told you so!

haha, likewise when it turns out you're just humoring me.

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm pretty sure heinze is good, it would be easy for a wolf to save him at this point

Yeah, at 4-3, someone would come to my rescue one would think.

The sad part is, if we're both good, we really just got hosed by some UTR play.

The Jackal · 04-17-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

My foot doesn't hurt now that I'm dead ... BBBRRRAAAAIINNNNSSS!!!

Zombie faction for the win!

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 01:59 PM

This isn't looking good.

Not even placing a vote is not cool

TazFTW · 04-17-2008, 01:59 PM

I don't really like a no lynch strategy as the game has stopped the boat from moving several times
which will give the wolves more chances to night kill
so I'm going to have to Vote for heinz
I think I'm going to feel ill

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

I don't really like a no lynch strategy as the game has stopped the boat from moving several times
which will give the wolves more chances to night kill
so I'm going to have to Vote for heinz
I think I'm going to feel ill

But Taz, this lynch is lynching a villager
If I was a wolf, I'd have been saved by now, now that it's close.

Alan T · 04-17-2008, 02:01 PM

Deadline

Lathum · 04-17-2008, 02:01 PM

pop.

If we live through this look at Taz and NTN

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 02:01 PM

Crap. Good game wolves.

jeheinz72 · 04-17-2008, 02:02 PM

So frustrating when only 2-3 people are around to talk to

Alan T · 04-17-2008, 02:03 PM

This is what I have for the vote count today. Someone correct me if I am wrong!

(5) jeheinz - Nfg22 (2977), chief rum (2981), kwhit (2995), ntndeacon (2998), Tazftw (3094)
(3) nfg - Jeheinz (3065), oliegirl (3067), Lathum (3077)

04-17-2008, 01:59 PM	#3094
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	I don't really like a no lynch strategy as the game has stopped the boat from moving several times which will give the wolves more chances to night kill so I'm going to have to Vote for heinz I think I'm going to feel ill __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

04-17-2008, 01:09 PM	#3051
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Unvote Lathum Vote Chief Rum A first step, if you will.

04-17-2008, 01:16 PM	#3057
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	as for why CR would vote for you 2 reasons. A. He had to vote early and may have assumed people would go for me. B He assumed my vote may carry extra weight and you would be lynched either way so why not vote for you so he can use that as a defense later

04-17-2008, 01:19 PM	#3059
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	But either way, if you think CR is my partner, let's vote for him and find out

04-17-2008, 01:31 PM	#3061
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	if I was gonna stitch anywhere it would be to Kwhit or Taz

04-17-2008, 01:38 PM	#3065
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Unvote Chief Rum Vote NFG

04-17-2008, 01:39 PM	#3066
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I just don't think there have been any conversions. IMO this game seems pretty stacked against the village. Conversions would make it virtualy impossible.

04-17-2008, 01:41 PM	#3069
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	olie- why would NFG pass you the bullet if he was a wolf?

04-17-2008, 01:42 PM	#3071
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	NTN, Taz - Thoughts about NFG?

04-17-2008, 01:44 PM	#3074
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Especially if you out the person with the gun at an opportune time with an obvious villager target for them to use it on

04-17-2008, 01:46 PM	#3077
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	anyone got a count?

04-17-2008, 01:49 PM	#3079
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	unvote JeHeinze Vote NFG

04-17-2008, 01:50 PM	#3082
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	jeheinz72 (4) - nfg22 (2977), Chief Rum (2981), KWhit (2995), NTN NFG (3) - jeheinz72 (2993), Olie, Lathum No Vote: Taz

04-17-2008, 01:50 PM	#3083
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	NTN & Taz, what are your thoughts on NFG?

04-17-2008, 01:54 PM	#3086
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I need a beer. It's my birthday dammit

04-17-2008, 01:55 PM	#3088
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	@Oliegirl: Congrats on your upcoming wedding! @Lathum: Happy Birthday! Villagers, back to playing! Get 'em!

04-17-2008, 01:57 PM	#3089
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I'm pretty sure heinze is good, it would be easy for a wolf to save him at this point

04-17-2008, 01:59 PM	#3093
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	This isn't looking good. Not even placing a vote is not cool

04-17-2008, 02:01 PM	#3096
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Deadline

04-17-2008, 02:01 PM	#3097
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	pop. If we live through this look at Taz and NTN

04-17-2008, 02:01 PM	#3098
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Crap. Good game wolves.

04-17-2008, 02:02 PM	#3099
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	So frustrating when only 2-3 people are around to talk to

04-17-2008, 02:03 PM	#3100
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	This is what I have for the vote count today. Someone correct me if I am wrong! (5) jeheinz - Nfg22 (2977), chief rum (2981), kwhit (2995), ntndeacon (2998), Tazftw (3094) (3) nfg - Jeheinz (3065), oliegirl (3067), Lathum (3077)

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