The Trump Presidency – 2016

[wustin]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

So Trump, Pelosi, and AOC agree on the $2000 direct payments. Did Trump become a socialist or are Pelosi and AOC going to begin donning red hats from now on?

it's funny when republicans like to change the definition of communism to fit their narrative but when it comes to socialism they like using the book definition to prove whatever trump signs off and spends isn't socialistic.

[GrantDawg]

I am not denying the trillions given to big businesses without getting guarantees for workers weren't wasteful, Rainmaker. Just pointing out you were moving the goalposts. "They should have been running on 2k checks " "Well, they already passed 2k checks but the Senate didn't take it up" "Then they should have been running on 3k checks"..
Honestly, checks are great, but I feel like getting the extended unemployment bump and the PPP for super small businesses much more important. I would prefer a 1k-2k monthly income enhancement across the board over all of it. And free healthcare.

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[GrantDawg]

And a pony

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[cuervo72]

Monthly? Because those ponies would add up quick.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I am not denying the trillions given to big businesses without getting guarantees for workers weren't wasteful, Rainmaker. Just pointing out you were moving the goalposts. "They should have been running on 2k checks " "Well, they already passed 2k checks but the Senate didn't take it up" "Then they should have been running on 3k checks"..
Honestly, checks are great, but I feel like getting the extended unemployment bump and the PPP for super small businesses much more important. I would prefer a 1k-2k monthly income enhancement across the board over all of it. And free healthcare.

It didn't seem to be part of the campaign at all. Just saying I think stimulus checks should have been one of the main messages. Maybe they would have done better actually campaigning on something.

You can also do PPC, unemployment, and stimulus checks. Seems like a priority over handing banks and other large businesses a slush fund when they spent the last 5 years buying back stock.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I'm not a Republican voter, but FWIW I would benefit and I don't want the government sending me more money. It should go places where it's really needed and to people who deserve it. I don't deserve more of other people's money simply for existing.

I'm like you (well, I may become a Republican voter in 2020, we'll see how it goes) but me, wife and family have been fortunate.

I've previously stated it would be better if the stimulus check is more targeted. As others countered, pay it now to everyone to speed it up and take it back during tax season for the more wealthy. Well, they are paying it now but they aren't planning to take it back from the more wealthy during tax season. So we are where we are.

Regardless, I gave up waiting for this second check and bought the Peloton (enjoying it btw). Wife and I agreed that whatever we get, we'll divide by 4 and tell the kids to actually spend/donate the money, not save it.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Interesting summary on that video, but it was not what she said. She sees Trump as trying to prevent the rest of the bill passing (unemployment extensions, PPP, money for the vaccines), which is an attack on the American people. $2k is great, but we must have those other things as well.

I know she has her little pet project in the deal to get landlords in the entertainment industry paid. But there should be no reason to object to the $2000 if you're a Democrat. Her response should be "it sucks he did this at the last minute but I support an additional $1400".

Remember that Klobuchar has always sucked.

Klobuchar, Sasse, Booker, Scott Introduce Legislation to Help Unemployed American Workers Access Skills Training Programs During Coronavirus Pandemic - News Releases - U.S. Senator Amy Klobuchar

[Drake]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Monthly? Because those ponies would add up quick.

[ISiddiqui]

Trump vetoes defense bill, teeing up holiday override votes in Congress
By Karoun Demirjian

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...036_story.html

This seems like it will be overriden. Even Republicans in Congress aren't fond of his holding up defense spending because they won't remove protections for social media companies in an unrelated bill.

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[ISiddiqui]

And apparently there is talk that regardless of Trump's words last night, he may still sign the Covid relief bill. I'd say that if he does, the Dems should immediately introduce an additional $1400 direct payment to make it $2000. Of course McConnell is going to reject it... As he did last year.

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[GrantDawg]

I am sorry, there is a problem with giving people money to retrain for in demand jobs? You definitely lost me there.

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[miami_fan]

We don't have a news media thread do we?

Anyways, I don't want to dunk on Fox News during a down time for the company but damn. I typed "incoming ceo smithfield foods" into Google and I got a picture of the incoming CEO of Smithfield Foods. The guy who was interviewed does not look like the guy who who is the actual incoming CEO.

Fox Business anchor says she was 'punk'd' on air by animal rights activist | TheHill

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Anyways, I don't want to dunk on Fox News during a down time for the company...

Why not?

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Why not?

Christmas spirit

[PilotMan]

Add a few more cronies to the pardon list.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday issued a second batch of pardons in as many days, this time forgiving the crimes of two former associates, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone, as well as Charles Kushner, the father of Trump's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner.

Wednesday's list also includes several people recommended by former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, who was part of Trump's impeachment defense team, and Ike Perlmutter, the former CEO of Marvel Entertainment and a member of the president's private Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, according to a statement from the White House.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/paul-manaf...ry?id=74879785

[GrantDawg]

Trump is calling for a special counsel for the election. Barr refused, but now Barr is gone.

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I am sorry, there is a problem with giving people money to retrain for in demand jobs? You definitely lost me there.

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It isn't giving people money. It is a tax credit for someone who has no income (or tax liability) because they don't have a job. It makes sense if it is someone who has a job and wants to take night classes or something, but not for someone who has no income.

Also wtf are you going to get with $4k?

[GrantDawg]

In a trade school? The full course in many cases. And they qualify for financial aid. So either the $4,000 credit (meaning it will come to them in their tax rebate like the earned income credit) to pay back their student loans, or they could just pocket it if they qualify for free school. Sounds like a great program.

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[GrantDawg]

Wait, the credit is dollar for dollar, so it will only pay back costs, but I looked. Not a single local tech school cost more than 3300 a year. Many programs are only 6 months long.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Add a few more cronies to the pardon list.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday issued a second batch of pardons in as many days, this time forgiving the crimes of two former associates, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone, as well as Charles Kushner, the father of Trump's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner.

Wednesday's list also includes several people recommended by former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, who was part of Trump's impeachment defense team, and Ike Perlmutter, the former CEO of Marvel Entertainment and a member of the president's private Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, according to a statement from the White House.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/paul-manaf...ry?id=74879785

But not Cohen or Gates, who cooperated with the enquiry... 🤔

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

In a trade school? The full course in many cases. And they qualify for financial aid. So either the $4,000 credit (meaning it will come to them in their tax rebate like the earned income credit) to pay back their student loans, or they could just pocket it if they qualify for free school. Sounds like a great program.

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When you are out of work and can't pay rent, a tax credit you will get next year for a class you can't afford now is just what the doctor ordered.

[GrantDawg]

I don't know what you aren't getting Rainmaker. Financial aid pays for the classes, and the tax credit pays off your financial aid. This is a way for free training. So you are saying it is bad to get free training?

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't know what you aren't getting Rainmaker. Financial aid pays for the classes, and the tax credit pays off your financial aid. This is a way for free training. So you are saying it is bad to get free training?

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Do the people coming out of schools with 6 figure debt know about this financial aid and cheap courses?

Is this financial aid paying for rent and food?

[GrantDawg]

Did the people coming out with 6 figure debt know about tech schools that you couldn't possibly run up that kind of debt? And some financial aid for tech schools does help with those things, but this specific law was about helping people retrain. Does every legislation have to solve all problems for everyone? Aren't there other programs for unemployed?

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[GrantDawg]

With a quick Google search I found 7 state run tech schools that offer numerous programs that can be finished in 6 months for far less than $4k that are less than 30 minutes from my house. Encouraging people to use them for retraining is a good thing.

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[GrantDawg]

And just to add from personal experience: my wife did a two year program through a tech school that got her license as an Optician. She paid exactly zero dollars for it because of a program just like this from the state. They work.

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[wustin]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Do the people coming out of schools with 6 figure debt know about this financial aid and cheap courses?

Is this financial aid paying for rent and food?

I grew up in a lower income area and many of my high school classmates got pretty much full rides to their 4 year schools through financial aid. Typically you'd get so much that you end up with a refund check that's a few thousand dollars that's supposed to be used to cover textbooks and other school related expenses. My grants were around 50% cause my parents' income were close to middle-class.

Of course if you're flunking you won't be qualified for financial aid.

The graduates who come out of shcool in debt are typically from middle class/upper middle class families.

[JPhillips]

The incentives are so weird on the right that Scott Walker is posting food from a restaurant he's at, but it's a picture from 2019 and the restaurant in question is take-out only right now.

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The incentives are so weird on the right that Scott Walker is posting food from a restaurant he's at, but it's a picture from 2019 and the restaurant in question is take-out only right now.

It's fine, he's tweeting bible verses today about God being the armor to protect against the devil, basically implying tweets about him on the devil and God is protecting him.

They're so unself-aware that they don't realize that if God provides/is the armor, then wearing a mask would clearly be God's will to protect against the Devil/COVID.

[ISiddiqui]

So Trump still hasn't signed and has not vetoed the government spending bill and Covid relief. Allowing additional unemployment benefits to expire before they could 'fix' the bill. And now giving Congress three days to pass a CR to prevent a shutdown.

[miked]

My irritation with the bailout checks is that it goes by 2019 AGI. My 2020 AGI is going to be much lower because my employer cut our pay and most of my supplemental income consulting has dried up. We are talking like 10-15% reduction most likely in AGI, which is a couple of hundred dollars. I hope they pass something new in 2021 and go by 2020 AGI.

[Atocep]

Still not addressing college aged dependents sucks.

[ISiddiqui]

Well now Trump is saying he will sign the Government spending and Covid release bill before the CR deadline Monday night.

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[AlexB]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Well now Trump is saying he will sign the Government spending and Covid release bill before the CR deadline Monday night.

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I’m sure there’s no quid pro quo...

[Lathum]

Typical Trump, blows it up and creates a crisis then wants credit for fixing it.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Typical Trump, blows it up and creates a crisis then wants credit for fixing it.

And to say that it's not what HE wanted, but he's going to give it to you anyway, because it's better than nothing, and he was the only one who could have given it to you. You owe him everything,.

[I. J. Reilly]

It's not even that complicated. No one was paying attention to him so he had to get in the headlines.

[JPhillips]

lol at Trump suggesting his redlining means anything. The bill is now law ad nobody's going to do anything regarding his "demands".

[Edward64]

Well darn. I guess it's the $600 and not $2,000 version.

Definitely better than nothing, so can't complain.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by miked

My irritation with the bailout checks is that it goes by 2019 AGI. My 2020 AGI is going to be much lower because my employer cut our pay and most of my supplemental income consulting has dried up. We are talking like 10-15% reduction most likely in AGI, which is a couple of hundred dollars. I hope they pass something new in 2021 and go by 2020 AGI.

i thought i read you get the stimulus credit when filing your 2020 taxes if this is the case.

[albionmoonlight]

LOL at the idea of the President having the patience to read, let alone redline, a 5,000+ page document.

[ISiddiqui]

He must really think his supporters are that dumb that they will think the President can "redline" a bill. The line item veto was declare unconstitutional, what 2 decades ago? And it isn't like he's even trying to do that.

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[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Well darn. I guess it's the $600 and not $2,000 version.

Definitely better than nothing, so can't complain.

For some, like us, because of our kids ages, it's the $360 version.

[miked]

I think they are processing the payments in the next few weeks based on 2019 AGI. They would have to wait until after April to start the checks if it were based on 2020, which is too long I think.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

He must really think his supporters are that dumb that they will think the President can "redline" a bill. The line item veto was declare unconstitutional, what 2 decades ago? And it isn't like he's even trying to do that.

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My wife sent me some shit from Facebook this morning. Apparently some Trump supporters she's friends with (through family) believe Trump could have line item vetoed parts of the bill but instead set this trap for congress so that when they don't hold up to their end of the non binding agreement he can simply use the Impoundment Control Act to replace congress.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

My wife sent me some shit from Facebook this morning. Apparently some Trump supporters she's friends with (through family) believe Trump could have line item vetoed parts of the bill but instead set this trap for congress so that when they don't hold up to their end of the non binding agreement he can simply use the Impoundment Control Act to replace congress.

Not sure of the specifics, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly how Palpatine dissolved the Senate.

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah, but Palpatine was competent.

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[sterlingice]

"So I threw the senate at him... the whole senate! True story."

SI

[molson]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Yeah, but Palpatine was competent.

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That's debatable. My theory is that he just retroactively claimed that everything that happened was "all part of his plan". And honestly, who COULDN'T turn that dolt Anakin?

[Brian Swartz]

Obi-Wan is feeling personally attacked.