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I'll go back and find that post since it concerns me also, I remember he scanned me N1, think mau was N2. |
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10-11-2011, 09:56 AM | #3102 | |
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That's true. But on the other hand even people who thought bug was the real seer were also thinking he might have been converted by the time that lynch happened. It was a clusterf*ck. |
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Remember when EF said he was "a detective"? Not The Detective?
I hit him on that at the time, too, like did he know there were other detectives, and that's why he said "a detective". And then sure enough SnDvls shows up, another detective. This is after the whole "convert" thing, too, remember? It didn't make sense that EF as a Detective could tell that "Bug" (later Narc) was a convert. I argued endlessly about that; I forget who was arguing that point at the time. It seems obvious to me now that EF said "a detective" because the wolves (along with EF) figured there would be a real Detective out there, and they were preparing for his reveal by saying "a detective" and hoping to slide on Abe's more than one of each role line. If you're actually the Detective, why would you guess there is another detective? You wouldn't--you would assume you're the only one. You would say The Detective. No one would say "a detective" unless they KNEW there was another detective. How would EF know? Only way is if he assumed the role existed and he was claiming that role. No, I am pretty confident now EF is a wolf, and was never a detective at all. He also did not see a conversion. He made that crap up to cover the fact that he misspoke in his original reveal, saying "convert" instead of wolf.
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BTW, mau, forgive me if you already explained this. Why did you choose to hold off revealing when Narc "revealed" as sheriff again?
Also, could someone please check the vote count, just to be sure mau's vote is consistent with going after Narc after his reveal?
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10-11-2011, 10:02 AM | #3110 |
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10-11-2011, 10:02 AM | #3111 | |
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I think so, yes. I know Danny was #2 and that you were #1. And I think mau was a scan, so he would have been N3.
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10-11-2011, 10:04 AM | #3112 | |
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Mau did not vote Narc he voted Bug, EF, then back to Bug. I don't believe you Mau. Why did you vote everyone but the one guy you knew was not telling the truth in that threesome.
I will have to back and check the actual posts but your votes tell a different story than you are right now.
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10-11-2011, 10:04 AM | #3113 | |
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Good catch Dubb/CR. I don't see why he'd vote for the revealed seer that said the person claiming his role was a wolf, no matter how odd the seer might have been acting.
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10-11-2011, 10:23 AM | #3115 |
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mckerney votes EF 3030
commo votes EF 3039 thomkal votes EF 3046 thomkal votes nightfall 3046 jackal votes EF 3049 J23 votes EF 3053 chief votes EF 3057 chief votes nightfall 3057 autumn votes EF 3059 autumn votes nightfall 3059 jakcal votes nightfall 3063 mauboy votes autumn 3070 chief unvotes nightfall 3079 jakcal unvotes nightfall 3081 J23 votes nightfall 3104 chief votes nightfall 3105 jackal votes nightfall 3110 dubb votes EF 3113 8 EagleFan - mckerney, commo, thomkal, jackal, J23, chief, autumn, dubb 1 autumn - mauboy 5 nightfall - thomkal, autumn, j23, chief, jackal |
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What is about to follow is every post from Mauboy on the day of and night following the EF/Narc/Bug cluster. Mauboy claims to have known that Narc was not telling the truth which should have pointed him towards voting Narc without question. That would have also told him Bug was telling the truth about Narc, although to be fair given him no read on EF. Here we go, for the record I haven't re read these yet I'm just putting them here, posting, then we can discuss.
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10-11-2011, 10:44 AM | #3118 | |
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The "lol" after bug was lynched is not in reference to the lynching, it is EF's new reveal.
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10-11-2011, 10:44 AM | #3119 | |
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I see nothing there that points to Mau being the BG. In face he openly questions the logic to potentially lynching our BG.
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That is not true, they have no correlation to each other. If anything it makes EF look better because one of the things we were skeptical of is if Narc was the Sheriff why didn't EF see him BG anyone. It makes sense he wouldn't see him BG because he was never the BG.
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I think it could be minor like Gramm said before death, I think the seduce was just to get three votes.
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10-11-2011, 10:49 AM | #3122 |
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yeah mau you're gonna have to go ahead and explain your posting the day of those reveals.. even if you were trying to play it cool and not tip yourself to being the sheriff, you really thought it was a good idea to say narc's reveal "sounded solid"?
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Heh...if mau is the Sheriff, he REALLY sold it to stay hidden. And let the seer twist in the mean time, because he would have known Bug was telling the truth about Narc.
Okay, so looks like we have our lynch target for tomorrow, too. Or do we want to try to do a tie again?
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While bug was sly, it was definitely the combo of Sheriff and Detective that put him on the lynching block for me. If I'd have known Narc was not the sheriff I would have stayed on him, then probably voted EF yesterday.
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I was debating all day whether I would reveal or not. The bug thing regardless was a big clusterfuck. I wanted to keep my role hidden and didn't want to make it obvious that I was the sheriff by jumping on narc.
I'd have to look back but at some point someone said that we should vote narc because of some reason... I agreed to it rather than say it myself. But it was too late to create traction on him. The way bug was acting just kept making me hesitant to reveal and make me come out like the wolves wanted. I wish I could be more detailed but I'm on my phone. |
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I sold it real good because I didn't want to be nkd. Isn't that the point? So I can protect someone other than myself?
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Okay, but Bug==acting weird, "maybe" not the seer
Narc==claiming Sheriff/I'm the Sheriff!/narc is lying, definite wolf You chose to protect a definite wolf Narc over a possible wolf, but possible seer Bug. This makes no sense.
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The only person more important to protect than you in that scenario was the one you let get lynched that day.
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As a wolf when has a fake reveal worked for me.. Never , so screw that. If I'm a Lynch target then that's a joke.
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But you are nearly as responsible for us losing the seer as EF and Narc were. Many people, myself included killed the seer b/c it was 2 against 1. In nearly every case the wolf is the 1, 2 usually just don't give themselves up like that. Had you admitted what you were, or atleast not feed the villager with garbage like "Narc sounds solid" and "Potentially lynching your BG" we may have came to a different conclusion that day.
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It would take a leap of faith in the vain of EF=villager to make me believe Mau's reveal at this point.
I think Narc was the BG and the wolves plan was to feed into that today and try and get Mau in the COT. A desperate play for what I can only assume is a dire situation for them.
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My big problem is if you sold it, then why didn't you protect SnDvls that night? My understanding you thought Hoops was also a BG, if that is so he could protect himself as you can, so why not save the next most important role that revealed.
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Yeah. I fucked up. I was convinced bug was converted.
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Agreed. Or, very unlikely but possible, there really is still a Sheriff out there, and they are still trying to draw him out. Which would make me wonder just how many wolves we have left. But it would explain them role hunting last night instead of coming after myself or mckerney.
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I see no reason for them to go after McKerney, he is roled, but to be a Martyr is kind of a weak role.
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But Bug fingered Narc. And you knew he was telling the truth about that. If you were certain Bug was a wolf, how did you reconcile that with the fact you just saw this "wolf" throw another wolf under the bus?
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Me not protection snacks was my mistake for not being around at deadline to get a feel what was happening in thread. I put a dayfall into Abe and then early afternoon I asked Abe if I could still change my order despite voting dayfall. I never put a conditional in and he didn't get back to me before deadline. I would have moved onto him too...
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The role may not be compelling, but he's pretty much a cleared villager at this point, unless he has been converted (which actually is something to consider). I can see why they would avoid me and my gadgets. They can't afford to not have a NK or to risk being revealed going for a NK on me.
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unvote. Autumn
vote ef Vote nightfall Let's get it out of the way. I'm protecting myself and checking out for now. I'll stop in later. I'm not going to sit here and argue about how shitty a move I made. Sorry. Lynch me tomorrow. Hopefully mckerney saves me. |
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I'll actually let the wolves have me tonight if they'd like. I'm going to protect the vilage. They know I'm a Lynch possibility so there is no chance they'll come after me tonight.
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Okay, we only need an EF vote from hoopsguy to be unanimous on EF outside of EF himself.
For nigthfall to happen, we also need hoops, and Commo and mckerney to vote nightfall. Again assuming this happens without EF's intervention. Come on people, let's wrap this up, so we can start the next day.
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? I don't think there's "no correlation". EF claimed to see narc getting converted. So you feel he truly was converted, but was some other role? If so, you believe Mauboy's claim? Or you think there's another sheriff out there somewhere? And none of this explains why Narc would vote himself over EF, if EF is good. I can't imagine that both Commo and Mauboy are bad, though I guess it's possible, 6 wolves, maybe 2 or 3 converts there. But these guys are working pretty hard to paint EF as good against all odds. Or in Mauboy's case, paint himself good and give no real reason why he didn't want to vote him. |
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All I was trying to do was slow the day down w my reveal. Talk things through. I still don't think wolves do a double fake reveal on the same day. That's my only thought on the situation.
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Okay, but if you... A) Accept the theorem that wolves do not do a double fake reveal; AND B) Know that Narc is lying, and so is a wolf; THEN C) Bug must be telling the truth i.e. he is the seer If what you're saying here is true, you should have been nailing Narc to the wall, even if you decide to not reveal.
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Yep, if EF is a Detective - even one that is neutralized for actions for the next day - I would still think they would prefer to take him out yesterday and give Narc the option to use a power (he couldn't kill, assuming he wasn't last one standing) rather than get cute and have something come up which might give us a reason to spare the Detective. |
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If he posted/voted after Narc's reveal, that is pretty damning. I was wondering if Mau was getting cute in this spot. This is why I didn't want to rush to Nightfall today. Stuff has a way of happening that makes you want to take a look at events, even if you think it is open/shut. |
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Not sure how me seeing Narc get converted ties into any role that Narc had or didn't have. I don't remember seeing anywhere in the rules that the sherrif is the only character that can be converted. Narc seems to have accomplished just what the wolves wanted. They have the village running in the wrong direction. |
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I really am not in a rush to do the Nightfall with the mau stuff reading the way it is. If that makes me someone trying to save EF, then so be it.
I think the EF = villager scenario takes a lot of imagination to believe, so we're almost certainly doing a good thing with that vote. Two detectives, wolves throwing vote at him last night, etc. But why hasn't someone come forward to admit using the Scroll of Wrath on EF yesterday? Why wouldn't a villager want to help us connect the dots on this? |
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