The Trump Presidency – 2016 - Page 637

Edward64 · 01-19-2021, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

trump and Melania leave the White House for the last time at 8 am tomorrow morning.

I think he wanted a 21-gun salute? Not sure if that will happen but there should be a crowd shouting "Loser".

Thomkal · 01-19-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

I think he wanted a 21-gun salute? Not sure if that will happen but there should be a crowd shouting "Loser".

I hope there are lawsuit servers and NY state law enforcement on hand.

Edward64 · 01-19-2021, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

I hope there are lawsuit servers and NY state law enforcement on hand.

I really do think that Trump won't ever get convicted or impacted too severely by the law. He's got tons of resources, probably a lot of disputable "grey areas", and can prolong it for ever.

The way to "hurt" Trump is to get to the kids & friends. That's what I would be doing if I was AG Hillary Clinton.

Lathum · 01-19-2021, 11:06 PM

Bannon getting a pardon.

JPhillips · 01-19-2021, 11:23 PM

Perfect.

For those that don't remember Bannon was accused of fraud for stealing money from MAGA folks. The scam was part of a private build the wall by donations scam.

Nobody has less respect for MAGA followers than do MAGA leaders.

CrimsonFox · 01-20-2021, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Bannon getting a pardon.

I guess he had another quarter left

CrimsonFox · 01-20-2021, 12:44 AM

I wonder if he's going to make any "piss off the left" pardons or will it just be pay to play.

RainMaker · 01-20-2021, 01:30 AM

So most of the pardons are for rich dudes who did a bunch of corrupt shit.

thesloppy · 01-20-2021, 01:34 AM

"former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick" now that's a name I've not heard in a long, long time...

CrimsonFox · 01-20-2021, 02:52 AM

lil fucking wayne...

CrimsonFox · 01-20-2021, 02:53 AM

seems like a lot of gun related pardons then...

But are white terrorists on it?

How about those that took over the Oregon state park? (granted i don't think they ever got arrested)

Edward64 · 01-20-2021, 06:04 AM

It's sweet that Guiliani (prob) won't get pardoned because of his involvement in the Capitol Hill insurrection. Trump is cautious in further PO Congress with the forthcoming Senate trial.

Unlike Guiliani (who I do not believe has served Trump well), Bannon I can appreciate. It was Bannon + Kelly Anne and a couple others that brought Trump to the forefront and then back to life to win 2016.

Ghost Econ · 01-20-2021, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

I am not sure about it hurting the GOP necessarily just because I am not sure about the viability of any third party in the U.S. However, I would like to see the platform.

It's the one they erected outside the Capitol that had the noose.

GrantDawg · 01-20-2021, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I Prosecuted Robert Bales. He Should Never Receive a Pardon | Military.com

oh no reason

This guy didn't get one, either.

GrantDawg · 01-20-2021, 07:22 AM

A final acknowledgment that “drain the swamp” was just a grift. https://t.co/s7J5zsqrug — Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) January 20, 2021

albionmoonlight · 01-20-2021, 07:22 AM

Starting a viable political third party takes a ton of work and attention to detail. You have to navigate the election laws and procedures of 50 states and the federal government (many of which have been designed by the two parties to make things hard on third parties) as well as build out 50 state party infrastructures, etc.

Hard work and attention to detail are like Kryptonite for Trump.

And what kind of help would he get? He'd be trying to do that with leaders like Bannon who would be stealing from his voters and with foot soldiers who think that Bill Gates is putting microchips into vaccines. Not really the type of people who are going to understand or remember or care about Georgia's arcane signature collection deadlines. They are up for rallies and for storming the Capitol, because that stuff is fun for them. Like a tailgate. But work? Actual hard work? This is MAGA we are talking about.

He wants to be the head of his own party? Sure. I want to run a marathon in under 4 hours. Just because I want to do it does not mean that it will ever happen.

Trump got as far as he did only b/c the GOP powerbrokers let him. If he ever tries to formally oppose them, they will crush him. We'll have a lot of Rudy giving a press conference in front of an abandoned Dairy Queen explaining that this next lawsuit against the Board of Elections is sure to succeed if only the judge will listen to them.

GrantDawg · 01-20-2021, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Starting a viable political third party takes a ton of work and attention to detail. You have to navigate the election laws and procedures of 50 states and the federal government (many of which have been designed by the two parties to make things hard on third parties) as well as build out 50 state party infrastructures, etc.

Hard work and attention to detail are like Kryptonite for Trump.

And what kind of help would he get? He'd be trying to do that with leaders like Bannon who would be stealing from his voters and with foot soldiers who think that Bill Gates is putting microchips into vaccines. Not really the type of people who are going to understand or remember or care about Georgia's arcane signature collection deadlines. They are up for rallies and for storming the Capitol, because that stuff is fun for them. Like a tailgate. But work? Actual hard work? This is MAGA we are talking about.

He wants to be the head of his own party? Sure. I want to run a marathon in under 4 hours. Just because I want to do it does not mean that it will ever happen.

Trump got as far as he did only b/c the GOP powerbrokers let him. If he ever tries to formally oppose them, they will crush him. We'll have a lot of Rudy giving a press conference in front of an abandoned Dairy Queen explaining that this next lawsuit against the Board of Elections is sure to succeed if only the judge will listen to them.

My counter to that is many if not most states chairs for the GOP are Trumpist. There are people in many states that are already well connected and know the people needed to get ballot access. How many does he pull? How many money people does he get to join? He will definitely have a huge grass-roots money.

miami_fan · 01-20-2021, 07:57 AM

The presidential pardons and commutations are so interesting to me. The POTUS (no matter what party) campaigns and spends their time in office defending and protecting the criminal justice system and being super tough on crime. Then, in their last act in office, they say that the criminal justice system has committed a wrong that he now has to rectify. No, this conviction should not remain on this person's permanent record. No, it makes no sense to keep someone locked up for life for (insert crime here). Yes it is possible for someone to rehabilitate themselves. All arguments that if they made them during the campaign would make them super weak on crime in the eyes of some end up making them look compassionate in the eyes of those same people at the end.

Ben E Lou · 01-20-2021, 08:45 AM

Well knock me over with a feather. Trump just wished the next administration great success at his farewell thingy.

(No one cheered.)

Ben E Lou · 01-20-2021, 08:47 AM

Heh. "We will be back in some form."

Ben E Lou · 01-20-2021, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Heh. "We will be back in some form."

albionmoonlight · 01-20-2021, 09:06 AM

I think "if you don't count the jobs we lost, we had the greatest jobs record ever" was my favorite bit.

Thomkal · 01-20-2021, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Well knock me over with a feather. Trump just wished the next administration great success at his farewell thingy.

(No one cheered.)

Yes he did, but he was already setting up that its because of things he did in his administration that caused the success to happen.

Thomkal · 01-20-2021, 09:59 AM

I can say this here without risking "family friction" on Facebook: The 4 years of Hell are finally over! Even in his final speech he couldn't talk to the millions who voted against him.

JPhillips · 01-20-2021, 10:00 AM

Pardon one Marc Rich and cause a firestorm. Pardon 50 Marc Riches and oh, well.

Trump/Bannon really figured out the process with their flood the zone with shit idea.

Thomkal · 01-20-2021, 10:01 AM

So I've not been following the pardons process too closely-do we think there are "secret" pardons we don't know anything about yet and how would they work?

cuervo72 · 01-20-2021, 10:10 AM

So, going forward. Will there be a library? I guess if there's money he might build himself a shrine, but how many actual records might there be in such a place?

Also, does he get invited to the usual "all former presidents" get-togethers? I guess that might depend on the next week, but to what extent will the other guys tolerate him?

albionmoonlight · 01-20-2021, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

So I've not been following the pardons process too closely-do we think there are "secret" pardons we don't know anything about yet and how would they work?

The law says that pardons should be public.

But most scholars think (and I agree) that the President's constitutional pardon power is broader than that, and that secret pardons are allowed. If you think about it, that power existed before there were any government record keeping laws.

The issue with them would be proving that they were issued. Let's say that the Feds indict Rudy for something that he did during the Trump administration. Then Rudy pulls a secret pardon out of his pocket.

There are two issues: (1) Is this real, or is it something that Rudy drew up himself last week? and (2) if it is real, is it valid?

As to number 2, I think that it would be valid if it were real.

As to number 1, that would be an issue of fact. You could get President Trump to testify that he issued it. Maybe there were other witnesses. Maybe a notary public.

miami_fan · 01-20-2021, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

So, going forward. Will there be a library? I guess if there's money he might build himself a shrine, but how many actual records might there be in such a place?

Also, does he get invited to the usual "all former presidents" get-togethers? I guess that might depend on the next week, but to what extent will the other guys tolerate him?

There will probably be a highway. A highway to...

Florida Rep. Sabatini hopes to rename highway for President Trump

Ksyrup · 01-20-2021, 10:27 AM

I didn't realize Brian Urlacher's brother was a convicted bookie. Now pardoned.

sterlingice · 01-20-2021, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

There will probably be a highway. A highway to...

Florida Rep. Sabatini hopes to rename highway for President Trump

Is there no more fitting tribute than a highway for Florida Man that runs through a swamp?

SI

JediKooter · 01-20-2021, 11:07 AM

trump, "I'll be back in some form". It sounds like shitty Terminator fan fiction.

miami_fan · 01-20-2021, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Is there no more fitting tribute than a highway for Florida Man that runs through a swamp?

SI

Yeah, it is not the most extravagant highway in the state for sure.

AlexB · 01-20-2021, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

There will probably be a highway. A highway to...

Florida Rep. Sabatini hopes to rename highway for President Trump

I really really hope that the governor of Michigan has a sense of humour and names a highway after Trump that goes to this town

Hell, Michigan - Wikipedia

cartman · 01-20-2021, 11:22 AM

today is the day that Trump finally becomes (ex) Presidential

kingfc22 · 01-20-2021, 11:26 AM

Thank goodness. And just how great has it been since he was banned off of social media?!

Thomkal · 01-20-2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The law says that pardons should be public.

But most scholars think (and I agree) that the President's constitutional pardon power is broader than that, and that secret pardons are allowed. If you think about it, that power existed before there were any government record keeping laws.

The issue with them would be proving that they were issued. Let's say that the Feds indict Rudy for something that he did during the Trump administration. Then Rudy pulls a secret pardon out of his pocket.

There are two issues: (1) Is this real, or is it something that Rudy drew up himself last week? and (2) if it is real, is it valid?

As to number 2, I think that it would be valid if it were real.

As to number 1, that would be an issue of fact. You could get President Trump to testify that he issued it. Maybe there were other witnesses. Maybe a notary public.

Thanks for the explanation, that helps me understand the issue a lot

CarterNMA · 01-20-2021, 11:49 AM

Damn near every day over the last four years the first thing I did in the morning was check the BBC News homepage hoping a certain evil shithead had shuffled off this mortal coil overnight. Alas, it never came but at least his horrible reign is over. Good riddance, fucktard!

Ghost Econ · 01-20-2021, 11:54 AM

It's finally officially over!!!!!

Butter · 01-20-2021, 11:57 AM

I wonder how this is all part of the QAnon plan

Ghost Econ · 01-20-2021, 11:59 AM

Can we lock this thread and pretend it never happened?

JediKooter · 01-20-2021, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Can we lock this thread and pretend it never happened?

Oh! I saw that episode of Dallas where Bobby Ewing wakes up and it was all dream.

BYU 14 · 01-20-2021, 12:04 PM

Can we take a moment right now to rejoice that Trump cannot tweet

Edward64 · 01-20-2021, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

Can we take a moment right now to rejoice that Trump cannot tweet

I did that several days ago already

molson · 01-20-2021, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

It's finally officially over!!!!!

I just had to take a quick peak at Trump's and Biden's wikipedia pages, and whitehouse.gov, to let it soak in.

Honolulu_Blue · 01-20-2021, 12:12 PM

Let's close this bitch!

JediKooter · 01-20-2021, 12:15 PM

Goodbye and good riddance!!

sterlingice · 01-20-2021, 12:15 PM

Verse 2: Chris Gaines!

SI

molson · 01-20-2021, 12:18 PM

Where should we post about criminal charges, business failings, morally repugnant activities of the Trump family, etc., here? Or new thread?

Edward64 · 01-20-2021, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Where should we post about criminal charges, business failings, morally repugnant activities of the Trump family, etc., here? Or new thread?

Just not in the Biden or the Coronavirus non-political threads please

01-19-2021, 11:23 PM	#31805
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Perfect. For those that don't remember Bannon was accused of fraud for stealing money from MAGA folks. The scam was part of a private build the wall by donations scam. Nobody has less respect for MAGA followers than do MAGA leaders. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

01-20-2021, 01:34 AM	#31809
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	"former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick" now that's a name I've not heard in a long, long time... __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

01-20-2021, 07:57 AM	#31818
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	The presidential pardons and commutations are so interesting to me. The POTUS (no matter what party) campaigns and spends their time in office defending and protecting the criminal justice system and being super tough on crime. Then, in their last act in office, they say that the criminal justice system has committed a wrong that he now has to rectify. No, this conviction should not remain on this person's permanent record. No, it makes no sense to keep someone locked up for life for (insert crime here). Yes it is possible for someone to rehabilitate themselves. All arguments that if they made them during the campaign would make them super weak on crime in the eyes of some end up making them look compassionate in the eyes of those same people at the end. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 Last edited by miami_fan : 01-20-2021 at 08:21 AM.

01-20-2021, 08:45 AM	#31819
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Well knock me over with a feather. Trump just wished the next administration great success at his farewell thingy. (No one cheered.) __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

01-20-2021, 08:47 AM	#31820
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Heh. "We will be back in some form." __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

01-19-2021, 11:06 PM	#31804
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Bannon getting a pardon.

01-20-2021, 12:44 AM	#31807
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I wonder if he's going to make any "piss off the left" pardons or will it just be pay to play.

01-20-2021, 01:30 AM	#31808
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	So most of the pardons are for rich dudes who did a bunch of corrupt shit.

01-20-2021, 02:52 AM	#31810
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	lil fucking wayne...

01-20-2021, 02:53 AM	#31811
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	seems like a lot of gun related pardons then... But are white terrorists on it? How about those that took over the Oregon state park? (granted i don't think they ever got arrested)

01-20-2021, 06:04 AM	#31812
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	It's sweet that Guiliani (prob) won't get pardoned because of his involvement in the Capitol Hill insurrection. Trump is cautious in further PO Congress with the forthcoming Senate trial. Unlike Guiliani (who I do not believe has served Trump well), Bannon I can appreciate. It was Bannon + Kelly Anne and a couple others that brought Trump to the forefront and then back to life to win 2016.

01-20-2021, 07:22 AM	#31815
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	`A final acknowledgment that “drain the swamp” was just a grift. https://t.co/s7J5zsqrug — Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) January 20, 2021`

01-20-2021, 07:22 AM	#31816
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Starting a viable political third party takes a ton of work and attention to detail. You have to navigate the election laws and procedures of 50 states and the federal government (many of which have been designed by the two parties to make things hard on third parties) as well as build out 50 state party infrastructures, etc. Hard work and attention to detail are like Kryptonite for Trump. And what kind of help would he get? He'd be trying to do that with leaders like Bannon who would be stealing from his voters and with foot soldiers who think that Bill Gates is putting microchips into vaccines. Not really the type of people who are going to understand or remember or care about Georgia's arcane signature collection deadlines. They are up for rallies and for storming the Capitol, because that stuff is fun for them. Like a tailgate. But work? Actual hard work? This is MAGA we are talking about. He wants to be the head of his own party? Sure. I want to run a marathon in under 4 hours. Just because I want to do it does not mean that it will ever happen. Trump got as far as he did only b/c the GOP powerbrokers let him. If he ever tries to formally oppose them, they will crush him. We'll have a lot of Rudy giving a press conference in front of an abandoned Dairy Queen explaining that this next lawsuit against the Board of Elections is sure to succeed if only the judge will listen to them.

01-20-2021, 09:06 AM	#31822
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I think "if you don't count the jobs we lost, we had the greatest jobs record ever" was my favorite bit.

01-20-2021, 09:59 AM	#31824
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	I can say this here without risking "family friction" on Facebook: The 4 years of Hell are finally over! Even in his final speech he couldn't talk to the millions who voted against him. __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

01-20-2021, 10:00 AM	#31825
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Pardon one Marc Rich and cause a firestorm. Pardon 50 Marc Riches and oh, well. Trump/Bannon really figured out the process with their flood the zone with shit idea. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

01-20-2021, 10:01 AM	#31826
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	So I've not been following the pardons process too closely-do we think there are "secret" pardons we don't know anything about yet and how would they work? __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

01-20-2021, 10:10 AM	#31827
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	So, going forward. Will there be a library? I guess if there's money he might build himself a shrine, but how many actual records might there be in such a place? Also, does he get invited to the usual "all former presidents" get-togethers? I guess that might depend on the next week, but to what extent will the other guys tolerate him? __________________ null

01-20-2021, 10:27 AM	#31830
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I didn't realize Brian Urlacher's brother was a convicted bookie. Now pardoned. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

01-20-2021, 11:07 AM	#31832
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	trump, "I'll be back in some form". It sounds like shitty Terminator fan fiction. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

01-20-2021, 11:22 AM	#31835
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	today is the day that Trump finally becomes (ex) Presidential __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

01-20-2021, 11:26 AM	#31836
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Thank goodness. And just how great has it been since he was banned off of social media?! __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

01-20-2021, 11:49 AM	#31838
CarterNMA Mascot Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maryland by way of Arizona	Damn near every day over the last four years the first thing I did in the morning was check the BBC News homepage hoping a certain evil shithead had shuffled off this mortal coil overnight. Alas, it never came but at least his horrible reign is over. Good riddance, fucktard!

01-20-2021, 11:54 AM	#31839
Ghost Econ College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2020	It's finally officially over!!!!!

01-20-2021, 11:57 AM	#31840
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I wonder how this is all part of the QAnon plan __________________ My listening habits

01-20-2021, 11:59 AM	#31841
Ghost Econ College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2020	Can we lock this thread and pretend it never happened?

01-20-2021, 12:04 PM	#31843
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	Can we take a moment right now to rejoice that Trump cannot tweet

01-20-2021, 12:12 PM	#31846
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Let's close this bitch! __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

01-20-2021, 12:15 PM	#31847
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	Goodbye and good riddance!! __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

01-20-2021, 12:15 PM	#31848
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Verse 2: Chris Gaines! SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

01-20-2021, 12:18 PM	#31849
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Where should we post about criminal charges, business failings, morally repugnant activities of the Trump family, etc., here? Or new thread? Last edited by molson : 01-20-2021 at 12:18 PM.

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