POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Interesting you say that, because I just heard her in an interview say that she and others expected an open expedited primary for the nomination, and Biden endorsing Harris killed the plans for that. She quite literally isn't taking credit for the Harris momentum, and placing it squarely on Biden.

Fair enough.

[Atocep]

This is kind of crazy.

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[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Atocep

This is kind of crazy.

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Quite the Rogues gallery

[kingfc22]

Only the best people.

[Lathum]

Unreal how many people have thrown their lives away in servitude of a horrible human being.

[Lathum]

I love Jamie Raskin

[Lathum]

Watching the DNC. It is weird. Ashley Biden really doesn't come across as someone who was molested by her dad in the shower...

[JPhillips]

As a guy who has flown a flag outside every home I've owned, I'm really happy to see Dems own patriotism again.

[Lathum]

Biden killing it. Doing a masterful job of touting the administrations accomplishments while giving Harris credit.

The GOP has to be shitting themselves.

[Lathum]

Joe understood the assignment

[stevew]

Did JD Vance actually ask for Swiss cheese?

[Edward64]

Thank you Joe.

You didn’t want to but you took one for the team, good team player.

[CrimsonFox]

I loved how happy Biden looked. He deserved to be happy after all the shit sandwiches he's been given

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

You love to see it.

fyp

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by stevew

Did JD Vance actually ask for Swiss cheese?

No.

To be fair, @JDVance said he hates Swiss cheese. He asked why they hate it too (video of exchange below).

But also… I’m from Chicago and I call a cheesesteaks, “Phillies,” mostly because I know it bothers @JessArnoldTV.pic.twitter.com/N4Dtexs8SY https://t.co/6DPOa2tocP

— Taurean Small (@taureansmall) August 19, 2024

[Lathum]

What’s funny is snowflakes on the right will scream about how dirty the dems are for making this up while spreading rumors that walz drank horse cum.

[Ksyrup]

In all seriousness, it's focusing on non-issues like this that takes away from the real issues. More HarvestApp, less cheesesteak.

[Lathum]

all I have heard from the media since I got up is criticism of how late Biden spoke. They ant another 4 years of Trump so badly they can't even cover it up

[Vegas Vic]

Pretty good first night, overall. I really enjoyed Raskin and Warnock's speeches. Some of the "B" list politicians spoke way too long. They had to cut James Taylor's musical performance out of the program. I guess it was a matter of priorities. It's not like he's a lieutenant governor or anything.

[albionmoonlight]

The universe of voters who (1) care enough to hear Joe Biden's speech that they stayed up for it, but (2) are so mad that it was late that it will affect their vote has to be smaller than 1, right?

[albionmoonlight]

We are a long way from November, but if the Dems end up winning, I think that the GOP is going to look back at this three-week window where they spent a ton of time attacking Walz and less time trying to define Harris pre-convention as a missed opportunity.

[CrimsonFox]

Late means nothing in the world of DVRs

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

all I have heard from the media since I got up is criticism of how late Biden spoke. They ant another 4 years of Trump so badly they can't even cover it up

it's true. I was boggling last week when the local newscast was airing "a story" about the Bernie Moreno (republican running for senate) rally interviewing people too letting them say how much democrats lie and saying such great things about the rally. it's sickening. I thought newscasts weren't supposed to do that

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

In all seriousness, it's focusing on non-issues like this that takes away from the real issues. More HarvestApp, less cheesesteak.

If Kamala Harris promised every American citizen a free cheese-steak I would vote for her.

[albionmoonlight]

Vance is in that unfortunate Dan Quayle/Hillary Clinton position of everything he says/does being interpreted in the worst possible light.

It's hard to get out of that hole.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Vance is in that unfortunate Dan Quayle/Hillary Clinton position of everything he says/does being interpreted in the worst possible light.

It's hard to get out of that hole.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Given the narrative from the right over her economic plan rollout, if he doesn’t go with Commie Kamala, it’s clear that he has advanced dementia. I mean, the parody hit song “Commie Commie Commie Kamala Chameleon” just writes itself, people! (And the chorus works better if you go with the wrestler mispronunciation.)

I wonder if it's too much of a tongue twister for him to say it

[miked]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

it's true. I was boggling last week when the local newscast was airing "a story" about the Bernie Moreno (republican running for senate) rally interviewing people too letting them say how much democrats lie and saying such great things about the rally. it's sickening. I thought newscasts weren't supposed to do that

There was a John Oliver skit/story that talked about how most of "local" news was purchased by a hard-right media company.

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[akoleander]

Was nice to see Jason Isbell perform at the DNC last night. He is not shy at all about his politics. Can't wait to see him live again next month.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by akoleander

Was nice to see Jason Isbell perform at the DNC last night. He is not shy at all about his politics. Can't wait to see him live again next month.

My wifes cousin is his lighting tech and said he is an awesome guy

[Edward64]

I'm assuming RFK will ask for a Trump cabinet position similar to the reported earlier outreach to Kamala.

Kinda unfortunate that he is compromising his principles to get a cabinet slot. Better to stay a 3rd party candidate and maybe the grassroots will grow (but he is 70 so this may be his last shot).

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/20/rfk-...-shanahan.html

The independent presidential campaign of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is considering abandoning his quest for the White House to “join forces” with Republican nominee Donald Trump, Kennedy’s running mate Nicole Shanahan says in a new interview posted online Tuesday.

Shanahan also said the campaign also is considering remaining in the contest to try to win more than 5% of the popular vote and “establish ourselves” as a third-party alternative to the Republican and Democratic parties, and build on that ballot access for the 2028 election.

“There’s two options that we’re looking at and one is staying in, forming that new party, but we run the risk of a Kamala Harris and Walz presidency because we draw votes from Trump, or we draw somehow more votes from Trump,” Shanahan said in the interview on the Impact Theory podcast.

[JPhillips]

He doesn't have any principles.

He's offered to be the Libertarian candidate, the Dem candidate, the Dem VP, a Dem cabinet position, the GOP VP, and a GOP cabinet position. He'll do anything for a hint of power.

[Ksyrup]

He basically did enough to consistently poll for a few percent of the electorate and is now essentially promising one side or the other to swing the election in their favor ... for a favor, of course.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

He basically did enough to consistently poll for a few percent of the electorate and is now essentially promising one side or the other to swing the election in their favor ... for a favor, of course.

Not sure what he has to promise. I doubt most people are voting for Kennedy because they like Kennedy. They're voting for him because they don't like the two major parties. I bet if Kennedy dropped out the people voting for him would just go to another 3rd party candidate.

[Ksyrup]

Oh I know that, but I'm guessing he's selling that he can persuade them to whichever side gives him what he wants. Not that it's going to happen, although I could definitely see it working with Trump - and for some of the single-issue looneys to vote Trump. Anti-vaxx and Trump go together well, for instance.

[RainMaker]

A lot of the new polls are showing his support has been switching to Harris. Guessing a lot of people just hated both options and now that there is someone without dementia running, they're fine with Harris.

[Lathum]

Not sure Trump would even make that deal. Kennedy is a big enough personality that he could take attention from Trump and he can’t have that.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Not sure what he has to promise. I doubt most people are voting for Kennedy because they like Kennedy. They're voting for him because they don't like the two major parties. I bet if Kennedy dropped out the people voting for him would just go to another 3rd party candidate.

I think this is most likely. If Kennedy is around 3-5% in the polls right now, the majority of those are protest votes against the two parties and probably not real open for him to sway to one of the establishment candidates. I would imagine that he will be lucky to hit 2% national. A factor going against RFK right now is that he used an address in NY that he doesn't live at to register his candidacy and has been disqualified from New York for falsifying the address, and it is looking like he will lose his place on other states' ballots, too.

By comparison, Gary Johnson was at 10% in multiple polls in in mid-August of 2016 and averaged around 8% in mid-September, but only ended up getting 3.3% overall in the election. He had run in 2012, so had decent name recognition, and he and his VP candidate, Bill Weld, were both former two-term governors with pretty good reputations and were on the Libertarian ticket, so appeared on the ballot on all 50 states + DC. It's hard to envision that RFK is going to do better than those guys did.

[RainMaker]

RFK already tried to get a role in the Trump administration back in June when it looked like he was going to win.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...dorsing-trump/

[Danny]

It seems likely that both candidates have info suggesting bringing him on isn't worth the risk.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Danny

It seems likely that both candidates have info suggesting bringing him on isn't worth the risk.

Weird that neither party wants the anti vax, brain worm, bear carcass guy who’s own family wants nothing to do with him.

[GrantDawg]

There is also the factor he is openly asking for a cabinet position, and that is illegal to promise. You can wink and nod it, but a straight quid-pro-quo is a no-no. That was supposedly the concern in June that stopped Trump from making the offer on that "perfect phone call."

[cartman]

plus Cabinet picks still have to be confirmed by the Senate

[Atocep]

I also don't think he really has any sway over his supporters. They're not really supporting him because of who he is, but rather who he's not.

[RainMaker]

Trump appearing on Theo Von's podcast is not something I envisioned.

[CrimsonFox]

Go Bernie Go! Love him!

[RainMaker]

Not much for convention speeches but good lord Michelle Obama carved up Trump.

[Swaggs]

Michelle Obama's speech was really, really impressive. I read it was only 21 minutes long, but it was heartfelt and just super concise with messaging.

Pritzker was good, too. I also liked the UAW president the night before.

[Lathum]

Trump is really unraveling before our eyes. I heard a part of his speech in Michigan yesterday and he sounded like he was on his deathbed. I mean, literally that’s how my dad sounded a week before he died. The substance was even worse talking about migrants murdering suburban folks walking across the street to get a loaf of bread. I really can’t imagine anyone other than the die hard voting for this.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Trump is really unraveling before our eyes. I heard a part of his speech in Michigan yesterday and he sounded like he was on his deathbed. I mean, literally that’s how my dad sounded a week before he died. The substance was even worse talking about migrants murdering suburban folks walking across the street to get a loaf of bread. I really can’t imagine anyone other than the die hard voting for this.

That's the commercial I see about Sherrod Brown every time I watch any episode on hulu. That Sherrod Brown (Democratic Ohio senator) is responsible for killing children on a school bus because the driver was an illegal immigrant