Console Discussion/E3/Tokyo Game Show Thread

[Ryan S]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Price cuts in Asia on the PS4. Will be interesting to see if Sony has something similar planned for their fall event just before the holidays in Europe or NA.

At this stage I am not going to pull the trigger on a PS4 until the price cut.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Sad to see, but you knew it was in the cards. It's a great system, but the mobile devices have taken too big of a chunk at this point.

Sony: climate "not healthy" for PlayStation Vita successor • Eurogamer.net

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ryan S

At this stage I am not going to pull the trigger on a PS4 until the price cut.

I think there's a lot of people who are at that point. I think it's a matter of whether they do it before or after the holidays. I think they're fine with doing a lot of bundle discounting during this holiday season. My guess is that they pull the trigger just after the holidays. They'll be able to take advantage of the gift cards/return sales. It will also be a great time to do that with the Uncharted 4 release just around the corner.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Sad to see, but you knew it was in the cards. It's a great system, but the mobile devices have taken too big of a chunk at this point.

Sony: climate "not healthy" for PlayStation Vita successor • Eurogamer.net

It doesn't help that Sony basically pretended the Vita didn't exist almost from the moment it launched. It's easy to, with hindsight, go "sorry, folks, smartphones ate our lunch"

but when you lay out the spread before them and invite them to eat their fill, well...

[Groundhog]

Yeah, I've had a Vita gathering dust at home for awhile now, waiting for a reason to turn it on.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Yeah, I've had a Vita gathering dust at home for awhile now, waiting for a reason to turn it on.

It's an excellent piece of technology with nothing to do on it.

Even Sony isn't developing games for it. Why should anybody else?

[Eaglesfan27]

Only game I play on my Vita is Disagea. But, my DS has a lot of games I enjoy.

[cartman]

Some are thinking that the PS4 price drop is going to be limited to Japan for the foreseeable future.

Is the PS4 due for a price drop in the West? Maybe not | Ars Technica

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Mota

It's an excellent piece of technology with nothing to do on it.

Even Sony isn't developing games for it. Why should anybody else?

I mainly use it for the PS4 remote play. Works really well in my house. You can pick up cheap games now too if you didn't play them when they came out.

Most games coming out are just cross-play indie games that you eventually get for free on PS+.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Counterpoint article to Sony's comments.

Mobile Gaming Didn't Kill The Vita -- Sony Did

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

dola

Counterpoint article to Sony's comments.

Mobile Gaming Didn't Kill The Vita -- Sony Did

That article pretty much nails it. It seems like Sony gave up on it as soon as it was released. Gaming on a Vita blows gaming on a phone away, except Sony never gave people a reason to choose the Vita.

It's like they took all of their stupid from the PS3 launch and dumped it over to the Vita.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting acquisition by MS. Though I did chuckle a bit that they couldn't get through a press release without including 'The Cloud' in part of it.

Havok to join Microsoft - The Official Microsoft Blog

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Interesting acquisition by MS. Though I did chuckle a bit that they couldn't get through a press release without including 'The Cloud' in part of it.

Havok to join Microsoft - The Official Microsoft Blog

What's humorous about "The Cloud"?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Galaril

What's humorous about "The Cloud"?

It's a mantra that's been the butt of many jokes since the introduction of the X1.

Crackdown 3 Devs Confirm Cloud Makes Xbox One More Powerful « GamingBolt.com: Video Game News, Reviews, Previews and Blog

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Looks like Target may have provided the first indication that a PS4 price drop is on the way.

Video Games : Xbox, PS3, PSP, Wii, Nintendo : Target

[Mota]

i hate the cloud for gaming.

It's basically Games As A Service, and pretty much guarantees that these games will be unplayable in 5-10 years if you ever want to go back to them.

I still have the old Final Fantasy games and want to play through them. Thankfully it's still an option at this time.

[cartman]

The Cloud does offer some cool features. Like in Forza, where they gather racing styles of actual players, process them, then send them back to use as the computer controlled opponents in the game.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

PS4 price cut is on the 500 GB version. One would assume that the 1 TB version would be $399.

The PlayStation 4 Is Getting a Price Cut in North America

[Mota]

People are so excited about that $20 price drop in Canada. The lineup has got to be huge!

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Mota

People are so excited about that $20 price drop in Canada. The lineup has got to be huge!

Yeah I still don't have a next gen system. Or current gen I guess. Play PC games here and there, nothing out on consoles that makes me want to spend $500.

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Yeah I still don't have a next gen system. Or current gen I guess. Play PC games here and there, nothing out on consoles that makes me want to spend $500.

+1

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Target offering the Uncharted PS4 bundle for $349 with a $50 gift card included, effectively making the price $299.

PlayStation 4 500GB Uncharted: The Nathan Drake ... : Target

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Phil Spencer gets brutally honest about how badly his executive team botched the X1 release and how he isn't sure if the X1 will be able to win this generation.

Spencer: I don't know if Xbox One can beat PS4 - VideoGamer.com

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

dola

Phil Spencer gets brutally honest about how badly his executive team botched the X1 release and how he isn't sure if the X1 will be able to win this generation.

Spencer: I don't know if Xbox One can beat PS4 - VideoGamer.com

Originally Posted by Phil Spencer

Whether it's always-on, used games, whatever the feature was, we lost the trust in them that they were at the centre of our decision-making process. Were we building a product for us, or were we building a product for the gamers? And as soon as that question came into people's minds and they looked at anything, whether it was the power of our box, our launch line-up, microtransactions, any of the features that you talked about, what you find is very quickly you lose the benefit of the doubt. You lose your customer's assumption that the reason you're building your product is to delight them and not just build a better and more maybe manipulative product.

Xbox One launch in a nutshell. I love my PS4, but let's be real for a moment here: I am exactly the customer Microsoft should have had in a lockbox for the next generation. Over 100 Xbox games, over 100 Xbox 360 games, and, finances permitting, without that debacle of a pre-launch period, I would have been a launch day owner of an Xbox One.

And they lost me for the foreseeable future with that debacle. It's conceivable I get an Xbox One at some point, if for no other reason than to serve as a Rock Band platform, since that DLC won't cross over to PS4, but, I mean, we're at the point where the scenario doesn't exist that has me owning 100 games for the Xbox One.

For all that MBBF has some, uh, special ideas related to the superiority of PlayStation over Xbox, that quote from Phil Spencer knocks it out of the park. Microsoft made a bunch of assumptions focused around what would be best for their bottom line, and by the time they walked those assumptions back, they had lost the trust and mindshare of a significant portion of their prospective userbase.

I thought the PS3 launch was a case study in how to take dominance in a particular market and turn it into a smoking crater, but Xbox 360 to Xbox One would have to at least be an addendum to that study.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

PS4 price cut is on the 500 GB version. One would assume that the 1 TB version would be $399.

The PlayStation 4 Is Getting a Price Cut in North America

So Sony is getting desperate right?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So Sony is getting desperate right?

Interesting analysis.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Interesting analysis.

And yet, that's been your analysis exactly whenever Microsoft proffers a price cut.

Maybe, just maybe, the Microsoft price cuts should be viewed as business and not desperation?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

And yet, that's been your analysis exactly whenever Microsoft proffers a price cut.

Maybe, just maybe, the Microsoft price cuts should be viewed as business and not desperation?

It's not even desperation if MS cuts the price at this point. Spencer has already admitted defeat. It's just a case of minimizing losses in this generation.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Yeah I still don't have a next gen system. Or current gen I guess. Play PC games here and there, nothing out on consoles that makes me want to spend $500.

Yeah but you have to upgrade a gaming PC every 6months with the latest and greatest video card or games are unplayable.

Or so I've heard.

[Ned Doolittle]

At what point does it make sense to start considering MBBF as some kind of PS employee or at least someone with a vested, compensated interest in the PS vs MS debate? His pushing of his PS agenda far surpasses what a fanboy would do. This is going on for yrs now. I say he be banned from making any mention of PS outside of saying "I like this PS game" or "it looks better on PS". There's something malicious behind his PS posts and it's really time to curtail it. There's been posters in the past who have been banned from making certain kinds of posts (I'm sure) and he should be prohibited from any further PS rhetoric.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's not even desperation if MS cuts the price at this point. Spencer has already admitted defeat. It's just a case of minimizing losses in this generation.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's not even desperation if MS cuts the price at this point. Spencer has already admitted defeat. It's just a case of minimizing losses in this generation.

There does not need to be a spin put on every story. There's a big difference between Microsoft admitting that they might not catch up to the competition in terms of unit sales, as opposed to admitting defeat. Microsoft can still have a very successful console cycle and be profitable even if they don't win the unit race. The last time I checked, public companies are judged on profits. It definitely affects them negatively, but the way you put it, they might as well just fold the company right now. That is just you projecting your own fantasies into a story that never went there.

If you want to be the news reporter of this thread, then be it. Or if you want to be the Sony fanboy of this thread, then be that. But don't try and pretend you're objective while putting your fanboy spin into every word that you say. It is fake, transparent, and we all see through it.

[jeff061]

In other news Pepsi should have just given up decades ago and lead a pointless existence.

Reebok. RIP.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Mota

There does not need to be a spin put on every story. There's a big difference between Microsoft admitting that they might not catch up to the competition in terms of unit sales, as opposed to admitting defeat. Microsoft can still have a very successful console cycle and be profitable even if they don't win the unit race. The last time I checked, public companies are judged on profits. It definitely affects them negatively, but the way you put it, they might as well just fold the company right now. That is just you projecting your own fantasies into a story that never went there.

If you want to be the news reporter of this thread, then be it. Or if you want to be the Sony fanboy of this thread, then be that. But don't try and pretend you're objective while putting your fanboy spin into every word that you say. It is fake, transparent, and we all see through it.

No one is being fake or transparent. I gave a stupid post an equally stupid response. It was a total troll of a response and I responded in kind.

People like you, SackAttack and a few others put far more thought into your responses and I appreciate it. I'll leave it at that.

[jeff061]

Difference is, we can tell when others are trolling. You....not so much. The line on that one is truly transparent.

[CraigSca]

So yeah - let's suppose I'd like to purchase Playstation Plus. It's $50 a year. Is there a time of year when that's discounted? Or, do I wait for PS Bucks (or whatever it's called) has a BOGO or something so I can use those to buy a year?

Basically, is there ever a time where Playstation Plus is discounted/what's the best route to save a few $$$?

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

So yeah - let's suppose I'd like to purchase Playstation Plus. It's $50 a year. Is there a time of year when that's discounted? Or, do I wait for PS Bucks (or whatever it's called) has a BOGO or something so I can use those to buy a year?

Basically, is there ever a time where Playstation Plus is discounted/what's the best route to save a few $$$?

Around Black Friday there's usually a deal for a year for $30 to $40. That's typically when I buy another years subscription.

[stevew]

Will be interesting to see the Nx concept when it debuts. A unifying Nintendo platform will be interesting. It almost sucks they're about to abandon the WiiU cause it's finally interesting to me

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Around Black Friday there's usually a deal for a year for $30 to $40. That's typically when I buy another years subscription.

Yep. Amazon usually prices it at $30 and allows you to buy two of them. It's just a code, so they never run out of stock. $60 for two years is a great deal.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

No real changes on the hardware front with PS4 still leading the way. But big changes in the software end as the NBA 2K franchise has a great release month.

September 2015 NPD: NBA, NFL games have big month as hardware sputters | GamesBeat | Games | by Jeff Grubb

[mckerney]

Speaking of black Friday deals

Dell Home & Home Office Black Friday Ad for Dell Home & Home Office Black Friday 2015 at BFAds.net

[Neuqua]

So I have an admittedly really stupid question.

I tend to only play games traditionally, not online and not multiplayer. Over the last few years I've just played games like Uncharted and Skyrim. For a game like Battlefront, which I see is only multiplayer, how does that work exactly?

Do you still progress through "levels?" I guess I am just not sure how a story progresses in a game when you have to play multiplayer with strangers online.

Appreciate the patience for this dummy.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

No real changes on the hardware front with PS4 still leading the way. But big changes in the software end as the NBA 2K franchise has a great release month.

September 2015 NPD: NBA, NFL games have big month as hardware sputters | GamesBeat | Games | by Jeff Grubb

Nowhere in the article did it say that the PS4 was still leading the way. In fact, it specifically stated that the manufacturers provided no specific numbers.

Hardware
We’ve asked the hardware manufacturers for the data about their systems, and most declined to provide anything specific. But it’s obvious, according to the NPD, that Xbox One and PS4 are both still selling extraordinarily well.

“After 23 months on the market, combined PS4 and Xbox One sales are 40 percent higher than the combined 23 month totals for PS3 and 360,” said Callahan.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Neuqua

So I have an admittedly really stupid question.

I tend to only play games traditionally, not online and not multiplayer. Over the last few years I've just played games like Uncharted and Skyrim. For a game like Battlefront, which I see is only multiplayer, how does that work exactly?

Do you still progress through "levels?" I guess I am just not sure how a story progresses in a game when you have to play multiplayer with strangers online.

Appreciate the patience for this dummy.

You might get an answer here, but since this thread is almost entirely mbbf doing free marketing for Sony and others reacting to that, lots of people avoid this thread. You're sure to get an answer if you post in 2015 Video Games Thread - Page 6 - Front Office Football Central that thread.

I don't know anything about how Battlefront handles story/levelling/progressing given that its multiplayer only, sorry!

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Neuqua

So I have an admittedly really stupid question.

I tend to only play games traditionally, not online and not multiplayer. Over the last few years I've just played games like Uncharted and Skyrim. For a game like Battlefront, which I see is only multiplayer, how does that work exactly?

Do you still progress through "levels?" I guess I am just not sure how a story progresses in a game when you have to play multiplayer with strangers online.

Appreciate the patience for this dummy.

Short answer: Battlefield, like most games of this nature, WILL have a single player mode, but it'll be nearly token. Very short, mostly tutorial in nature to prep users for online play.

Once you go online, the sort of "levels" you're progressing through are more like RPG levels than world levels. You play on different maps, but there's no continuity. Your progression is marked via your character's "leveling." As you play, you earn XP or something like it, which is then used to purchase various perks and unlocks to allow you to do more and cooler shit than you could do before.

But this isn't Super Mario Bros, where you start at 1-1 and work your way to 8-whatever.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Neuqua

So I have an admittedly really stupid question.

I tend to only play games traditionally, not online and not multiplayer. Over the last few years I've just played games like Uncharted and Skyrim. For a game like Battlefront, which I see is only multiplayer, how does that work exactly?

Do you still progress through "levels?" I guess I am just not sure how a story progresses in a game when you have to play multiplayer with strangers online.

Appreciate the patience for this dummy.

Battlefront is multiplayer only. No story mode at all.

Your character levels up with experience gained from playing matches which leads to new permanent weapon and item unlocks. The game will not really have a story to follow. The levels are there simply as a gateway to unlocking new items.

I think the closest comparison I've seen to how Battlefront plays is counterstrike. Battlefront has vehicles, Vader, Luke, ect. However, the game has no story, is fairly accessible for people starting out, but has a ton of depth because of the complexities of some of the maps.

In short, you jump into a match on a map (lets say Hoth) then you play that until one side wins or loses based on the objectives on that map. Then after the match your character receives XP and you're able to unlock new weapons/items and you're free to jump into another match. Rinse, repeat.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by cartman

Nowhere in the article did it say that the PS4 was still leading the way. In fact, it specifically stated that the manufacturers provided no specific numbers.

Quit posting facts.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Speaking of black Friday deals

Dell Home & Home Office Black Friday Ad for Dell Home & Home Office Black Friday 2015 at BFAds.net

Clearly Microsoft is done
They :-( they are throwing it n the towel.
Sony wins.
After they liquidate existing inventory they will be discontinuing X1

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Quit posting facts.

Ignoring the facts doesn't change the facts.

PlayStation 4 outsold Xbox One once again in September | GamesBeat | Games | by Jeff Grubb

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Battlefront is multiplayer only. No story mode at all.

Your character levels up with experience gained from playing matches which leads to new permanent weapon and item unlocks. The game will not really have a story to follow. The levels are there simply as a gateway to unlocking new items.

I think the closest comparison I've seen to how Battlefront plays is counterstrike. Battlefront has vehicles, Vader, Luke, ect. However, the game has no story, is fairly accessible for people starting out, but has a ton of depth because of the complexities of some of the maps.

In short, you jump into a match on a map (lets say Hoth) then you play that until one side wins or loses based on the objectives on that map. Then after the match your character receives XP and you're able to unlock new weapons/items and you're free to jump into another match. Rinse, repeat.

That's killed my enthusiasm a great deal...