Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[st.cronin]

Ok, officially deadline. Lawsuit results to follow.

[Poli]

AE sues everyone as for the start of day. I don't know if I'm in jail. I don't care.

[st.cronin]

The results of today's lawsuits:

Ardent sues Passus Caglius
Ardent sues Tyrus Ithus
Ardent sues Chiefus Rumus
Ardent sues Barkeepus Fortynineus
Ardent sues Pathus TwelveusArdent sues Narcizus Lispus
Ardent sues Ironus Headus
Ardent sues Mustangus Sallus
Ardent sues Abeus Anxietus
Ardent sues Autumnus Leavus
Ardent sues Grammus AtticusGrammaticus Atticus sues Chiefus Rumus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Abeus Anxietus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Barkeepus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Tryithus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Patheus Twelveus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Passus Caligulas
Grammaticus Atticus sues Ironus Headus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus
Tyrith sues Mustang
Tyrith Sues Barkeep
Autumn SUES ABEUS ANXIETUS
Autumn SUES ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Autumn SUES MUSTANGUS
Autumn SUES GRAMMUS ATTICUS
Tyrith sues path12

[st.cronin]

The initial vote for execution today is as follows:

2 - Autumn - Anxiety (3103), mustang (3190)
7 - Anxiety - Narcizo (3137), tyrith (3158), Chief Rum (3163), Autumn (3172), path12 (3175), passacaglia (3176), grammaticus (3178)

And then, a messenger from the Temples of Jupiter bears a message to the Tribune, Narcizus. Reading it, Narcizus goes grey - and then stands and announces, "Senators, I execute my Tribunal Authority and declare this trial null and void. Both accused parties are set free."

[st.cronin]

No Senators have been murdered.

The following Senators are in jail:

Pathus Twelveus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

[st.cronin]

pms coming (usually I do this first, but it doesn't affect the outcome of events)

[Poli]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The initial vote for execution today is as follows:

2 - Autumn - Anxiety (3103), mustang (3190)
7 - Anxiety - Narcizo (3137), tyrith (3158), Chief Rum (3163), Autumn (3172), path12 (3175), passacaglia (3176), grammaticus (3178)

And then, a messenger from the Temples of Jupiter bears a message to the Tribune, Narcizus. Reading it, Narcizus goes grey - and then stands and announces, "Senators, I execute my Tribunal Authority and declare this trial null and void. Both accused parties are set free."

Ooh, I actually like this call.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

No Senators have been murdered.

The following Senators are in jail:

Pathus Twelveus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

What I don't like, is this call.

[Poli]

Actually, this will get me out of this game faster, in theory. I support it.

[st.cronin]

The new Consuls of Rome are:

Tyrus Ithus
Autumnus Leavus

[Poli]

I got the assassin.

[st.cronin]

Financial standings will have to wait until morning, as I'm swamped.

Additionally, this will be the same schedule as last week - next deadline is Saturday am, then Sunday pm.

[Poli]

As a lawyer, can I will my money to someone?

[Poli]

Throw Path from the rock.

I mean, that should be fairly obvious.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Throw Path from the rock.

I mean, that should be fairly obvious.

Yeah that was not exactly a surprise

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The initial vote for execution today is as follows:

2 - Autumn - Anxiety (3103), mustang (3190)
7 - Anxiety - Narcizo (3137), tyrith (3158), Chief Rum (3163), Autumn (3172), path12 (3175), passacaglia (3176), grammaticus (3178)

And then, a messenger from the Temples of Jupiter bears a message to the Tribune, Narcizus. Reading it, Narcizus goes grey - and then stands and announces, "Senators, I execute my Tribunal Authority and declare this trial null and void. Both accused parties are set free."

What? I thought Narcizo said he was only going to veto if I was executed??? How is it that Anxiety gets out of jail every time we try to execute him???

I've got to go put the kids to bed, so I won't be back until later, but I just can't believe this.

What does the message mean? Is that just color text? I know Narcizo doesn't get on 'til much later so I guess we'll have to wait and find out. Arg.

[Poli]

I could have swore I voted as well. I mean, it all comes out in the wash, but I thought I did.

[Ironhead]

Okay, no poison kills since Day 6 is strange. I see a couple of definite possibilities:

1) The people killed on Day 6 were Peregrine (by poison) and Neon Chaos (lynched). The fact that Peregrine was poisoned clears him as good to me. Ardent said that Neon Chaos was good, and since Neon Chaos was the other lawyer there is no one to corroborate this statement. Perhaps the ability to poison Senators was a trait that was solely available to Neon Chaos, and his death ended the ability of the wolves to do this. That would of course implicate Ardent in lying about Neon Chaos' allegiance.

2) A possibility is that scans only work if you correctly scan the wolf doing the night kill. If we have actually knocked off a few wolves then they might be afraid of doing a poisoning, worried that a scan will reveal them to the village.

3) The wolves have managed to grab control of both of the lawyer spots and the Tribune of the Plebs and therefore control the information that is fed to the village, as well as lynches. Think about it. Narcizo at this point can basically suggest to arrest someone and then just declare the trial null and void. This results in a huge cycle of wasted time for the village. I am glad that Anxiety and Autumn did not get voted out last night but I don't trust the fact that Narcizo is alive in 1) the second lawyer position and 2) as the Tribune. These were positions that were being targeted all game long. Given that the assignment to these roles were random, there is no way the wolves could have envisioned landing both of them.

At this point I honestly think we need to start considering the strong possibility that both Ardent and Narcizo are bad. At this point Ardent will likely get my vote tonight.

[Poli]

Which, of course, I wasn't lieing. Ever.

[Tyrith]

I won the first BG.

[Abe Sargent]

I was so expecting to be dead now. Wow.

[path12]

Huh. Jail again? OK, this is pretty obvious too:

VOTE TOSS ARDENT

[Poli]

Wait. Can I just plead guilty and throw myself off the rock?

I mean, I'm not guilty but it would sure get me out of this game, and then Narc could/would have alot of explaining to do when I came out clean.

Additionally, can I resign as the best lawyer?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

Okay, no poison kills since Day 6 is strange. I see a couple of definite possibilities:

1) The people killed on Day 6 were Peregrine (by poison) and Neon Chaos (lynched). The fact that Peregrine was poisoned clears him as good to me. Ardent said that Neon Chaos was good, and since Neon Chaos was the other lawyer there is no one to corroborate this statement. Perhaps the ability to poison Senators was a trait that was solely available to Neon Chaos, and his death ended the ability of the wolves to do this. That would of course implicate Ardent in lying about Neon Chaos' allegiance.

2) A possibility is that scans only work if you correctly scan the wolf doing the night kill. If we have actually knocked off a few wolves then they might be afraid of doing a poisoning, worried that a scan will reveal them to the village.

3) The wolves have managed to grab control of both of the lawyer spots and the Tribune of the Plebs and therefore control the information that is fed to the village, as well as lynches. Think about it. Narcizo at this point can basically suggest to arrest someone and then just declare the trial null and void. This results in a huge cycle of wasted time for the village. I am glad that Anxiety and Autumn did not get voted out last night but I don't trust the fact that Narcizo is alive in 1) the second lawyer position and 2) as the Tribune. These were positions that were being targeted all game long. Given that the assignment to these roles were random, there is no way the wolves could have envisioned landing both of them.

At this point I honestly think we need to start considering the strong possibility that both Ardent and Narcizo are bad. At this point Ardent will likely get my vote tonight.

I previously suggested the underlined part of point number 2 and have been generally assuming that to be the case.

[Tyrith]

Can't really disagree with that logic at the moment...it seems like we'd ahve hit SOMETHING by now.

[Poli]

Retiring to chambers. Early day in the morning. Finishing touches at work before I get ready for Arizona.

[Grammaticus]

Grammaticus Atticus sues the following:

Anxietus
Tyrithus
Barkeepus
Pathus
Passus
Ironus Headus
Mustangus

[Grammaticus]

So, did we get a BG block?

[Ironhead]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

So, did we get a BG block?

I had Titus Ludius last night and protected myself. I received no message regarding a block. There was nothing in the role that indicated I will be notified of a block though.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

I had Titus Ludius last night and protected myself. I received no message regarding a block. There was nothing in the role that indicated I will be notified of a block though.

Somebody else said earlier in the game, they asked st.cronin and he advised the BG would let you know if he blocked anyone.

[Grammaticus]

Of course when can you trust hired help these days?

[Tyrith]

honestly, at this point I don't trust ANYTHING in this game

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Ooh, I actually like this call.

Well duh! Of course you do.

OK. I'm guessing this is a duke role. (I've checked my PM because at first I thought I might have accidentally written Anxiety instead of Autumn, what with their names both beginning with A and all). I didn't send in an order to veto Anxiety's execution. There's no reason for me to do so, as I'm sure he is a baddie. Anxiety claims that he didn't know he had a duke role which means either he's lying or someone else used it to save him. Either way he's a baddie.

Ardent is one of our bad guys. He also has the swordsman. I don't think there's any option here. I think there's a good chance Path is bad but I'd rather take out the guy with the sword at the moment. It's pretty clear what we have to do. Arrest and scan Anxiety, rearrest and scan Path, toss Ardent. Don't know why Ardent or Anxiety didn't kill someone yesterday - I expect to hear news about a block or the sex slaves.

Vote Execute Ardent

If I can be bothered I'm going to dredge up all the arguments against Ardent. We also need to start looking at other people as baddies and not get completely caught up in this.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

3) The wolves have managed to grab control of both of the lawyer spots and the Tribune of the Plebs and therefore control the information that is fed to the village, as well as lynches. Think about it. Narcizo at this point can basically suggest to arrest someone and then just declare the trial null and void. This results in a huge cycle of wasted time for the village. I am glad that Anxiety and Autumn did not get voted out last night but I don't trust the fact that Narcizo is alive in 1) the second lawyer position and 2) as the Tribune. These were positions that were being targeted all game long. Given that the assignment to these roles were random, there is no way the wolves could have envisioned landing both of them.

OK. This doesn't make a huge amount of sense, consider the scenarios.
1) Ardent and I are bad, Anxiety was good. I'd let Anxiety take the plunge and Ardent and I say that Anxiety was a bad guy.
2) I'm bad, Anxiety and Ardent are good. Why would I build up my case against them and then screw it up by freeing Anxiety? Because I'm worried that Ardent will contradict me when Anxiety dies? I think that I'd take my chances in a head to head argument with Ardent.
3) I'm good and I think Anxiety's bad. No reason to save him.
4) I'm good and I think Anxiety's good. I just like playing with you all. For a giggle.

Basically, there is no logical reason for me to spare Anxiety.

But if you want to think Ardent and I are both bad, then chuck Ardent. If I save him then kill me.

[Narcizo]

I'm busy preparing the NAFL draft today so I won't be here much today and even less tomorrow. The case against Ardent is pretty much as big as I've seen in a WW game without a confirmed seer coming out and saying that someone is a wolf. If we can't get an execution based on that then, frankly, the wolves deserve to win.

I'm interested in hearing from the people who didn't vote yesterday. Not voting in that case was actually illegal, as it was, theoretically, a two-horse race. (Who was to know it was actually a no-horse race).

This game is starting to wear me down. I can't think straight about it. I just want it to be over one way or the other.

[Narcizo]

Just to point out that the wolves are probably going to be trying to get a no-result (again) on this one. I'm going to give up if that happens.

[Chief Rum]

Sorry, Anxiety, but this is getting ridiculous. You need to die now, even if you're the saintliest among us. I would think even you would understand that now, and accept it if you were good (I wouldn't expect you to accept it if you were bad).

ardent, I won't vote to free you, but I have suspicions of path, too, so if you promise to use your assassin "wisely", I will vote the other guy off the rock. Or you off the rock, if that's really what you want.

I am sick of the vote and toss method of killing. It's time to go direct. I don't want to control the assassin to stop the Tarqs from getting him anymore. I want to control the assassin so I can go serial on everyone I suspect of being a Tarq and remove them without the "aid" of a lawyer. And damn the lawyer results from rock tossings--we haven't been able to trust that from the get-go anyway.

[Narcizo]

The fact that he has the swordsman is the very reason we ought to execute Ardent not be kicking him loose, Chief. What good is a promise going to be at this stage? I asked him not to kill Coffee a while ago but Ardent ignored that and killed him anyway.

If path isn't bad and Ardent assassainates a villager then we've tipped the scales hugely in the favour of the wolves. Trying to use him as a hitman for hire seems very dangerous.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

The fact that he has the swordsman is the very reason we ought to execute Ardent not be kicking him loose, Chief. What good is a promise going to be at this stage? I asked him not to kill Coffee a while ago but Ardent ignored that and killed him anyway.

If path isn't bad and Ardent assassainates a villager then we've tipped the scales hugely in the favour of the wolves. Trying to use him as a hitman for hire seems very dangerous.

I actually said I wouldn't vote to remove him. I would want the consuls to rearrest him. But killing him might mean the sword killer can't be sued, and right now I am thinking a well-placed kill for the good guys outweighs keeping ardent alive and in jail for another day.

But then it's probably just my frustration speaking. Besides, ardent wants to leave the game anyway.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Well duh! Of course you do.

OK. I'm guessing this is a duke role. (I've checked my PM because at first I thought I might have accidentally written Anxiety instead of Autumn, what with their names both beginning with A and all). I didn't send in an order to veto Anxiety's execution. There's no reason for me to do so, as I'm sure he is a baddie. Anxiety claims that he didn't know he had a duke role which means either he's lying or someone else used it to save him. Either way he's a baddie.
.

Well that's certainly interesting and not what I was expecting to hear from you.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Ardent is one of our bad guys.

And again, you're wrong. And you ARE going to apologize when this is all over for being so confident AND yet so wrong.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Ardent is one of our bad guys. He also has the swordsman.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if you're not the bad one, Narc. You're willing to take most of my statements as true, but then say I must be lieing about others...others that fit your idea that I MUST be bad.

For example, I must be bad and I have the sword killer because I announced it. Makes perfect sense I'd go right out and announce everything I've ever done, and makes perfect sense for a bad guy to accept some of the things I've done as truth and decide other things I've done are bad just because.

Heh. I hate this game.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

2) I'm bad, Anxiety and Ardent are good. Why would I build up my case against them and then screw it up by freeing Anxiety? Because I'm worried that Ardent will contradict me when Anxiety dies? I think that I'd take my chances in a head to head argument with Ardent.

I doubt you would.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

The case against Ardent is pretty much BS and as much BS as I've seen in a WW game without someone coming out and confirming that he's not a wolf.

...frankly, the wolves deserve to win.

I can't think straight about it. I just want it to be over one way or the other.

Fixed for you. You're right. You're not thinking straight, wolf.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Sorry, Anxiety, but this is getting ridiculous. You need to die now, even if you're the saintliest among us. I would think even you would understand that now, and accept it if you were good (I wouldn't expect you to accept it if you were bad).

ardent, I won't vote to free you, but I have suspicions of path, too, so if you promise to use your assassin "wisely", I will vote the other guy off the rock. Or you off the rock, if that's really what you want.

I am sick of the vote and toss method of killing. It's time to go direct. I don't want to control the assassin to stop the Tarqs from getting him anymore. I want to control the assassin so I can go serial on everyone I suspect of being a Tarq and remove them without the "aid" of a lawyer. And damn the lawyer results from rock tossings--we haven't been able to trust that from the get-go anyway.

I'm not sure what you mean by "wisely".

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I actually said I wouldn't vote to remove him. I would want the consuls to rearrest him. But killing him might mean the sword killer can't be sued, and right now I am thinking a well-placed kill for the good guys outweighs keeping ardent alive and in jail for another day.

But then it's probably just my frustration speaking. Besides, ardent wants to leave the game anyway.

This much is true. I'm seriously just tired of this werewolf stuff at this point. Last year I could take the accusations, but I can't anymore. Not now anyhow.

[Poli]

Off to work. I see you're online somewhere, CR. Good luck. You're about the only person I trust in this game. Well, you and Autumn. Not to say that's an absolute trust...but I feel good about you.

[Poli]

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[Poli]

gah, stupid quick reply. I do expect to be home around noon central today.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

For example, I must be bad and I have the sword killer because I announced it. Makes perfect sense I'd go right out and announce everything I've ever done, and makes perfect sense for a bad guy to accept some of the things I've done as truth and decide other things I've done are bad just because.

Heh. I hate this game.

I know the feeling. I'm getting tired of having to repeat myself. There's not been one thing that I've said about you that I haven't backed up with evidence. So we'll do it one more time then shall we?

You must have the sword killer today if you claim you bid on him because you must have the most money because you've been winning all those suits for some reason I've been at a loss to fathom.

Anxiety or you must have had the sword killer yesterday because Anxiety claimed that he bid on him and didn't get him while you claimed that you didn't put in a bid. Conveniently. You're richer than Anxiety. If you didn't put the bid in then Anxiety would have got the sword killer. One, or both of you are lying.

You can start throwing as many accusations as you like Ardent. But try backing them up with something concrete eh? I'm starting to get sick of the self-righteous tone you're adopting.