Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER)

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I was defending myself against Path, he was the one going after me. I am sure he'll tell you as much.

I never attacked heinze, I made a case against him.

Attacking, arguing, pointing fingers, rallying votes against - call it whatever you want, but the way you and Cronin went after people made me feel like if I shared info it would be twisted into suspicion against me and I would be voted off.

For example, my last day I got a PM that if I did this grammar thing for the teacher I'd get a reward. I got so caught up in doing it that I forgot to PM an excursion and then I was stuck in my room (where I was ultimately killed). I didn't want to mention any of that because hoops was killed right after he helped a teacher and being on the ship had routinely been held in suspicion.

[jeheinz72]

Alan, was it just that when I went on excursions things were "taken" or was I just unlucky in that every excursion I went on yielded a choice that meant nothing

[oliegirl]

Told you all I was a villager!

That was a brutal game, really really tough. Though in a way I'm glad it's over b/c now I don't need to feel bad for being absent starting tomorrow. I was kind of worried that it would somehow run through the weekend or something and I wouldn't be able (or willing) to keep up anymore.

Oh well, can't win them all!

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

BTW- I sometimes employ a strategy in games where I try to be very on the edge so the wolves will keep me around

That worked this time - you were their MVP! They just stayed UTR the whole game!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Alan, was it just that when I went on excursions things were "taken" or was I just unlucky in that every excursion I went on yielded a choice that meant nothing

Both cases. You did have a few times where you chose an option with no end result. But often just went somewhere with no action. Part of the big deal with locations however wasn't necessarily the actions they triggered, but moreso the information that could be shared.

[Narcizo]

The thing that puzzled me the most was why everybody was so set on lynching people. I know it feels automatic in a game of Werewolf but it looked like all you had to do was arrange the vote to not get a lynch (say, a circle vote so everyone only gets one vote) and the wolfs would have to seriously stop the boat to get a win. Presumably there was some sort of mechanism to stop this working but it would have been worth a try. And even more someone using a kill ability is just playing into the hands of the wolves unless they're 100% sure it's a wolf. But I tend to think like that anyway.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Both cases. You did have a few times where you chose an option with no end result. But often just went somewhere with no action. Part of the big deal with locations however wasn't necessarily the actions they triggered, but moreso the information that could be shared.

Hehe, I was actually trying to get converted at the end there. I thought surely I'd happen upon it...

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

For my next game, I'm also planning to eliminate random factors.

The voting mechanism (40%) was interesting, but I think it hurts the village to encourage runaway votes.

I know some people feel different, but conversions - I hate them. I'm never running a game with conversions.

I hate conversions too, but I don't see how you're going to have no random factors without them.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

The thing that puzzled me the most was why everybody was so set on lynching people. I know it feels automatic in a game of Werewolf but it looked like all you had to do was arrange the vote to not get a lynch (say, a circle vote so everyone only gets one vote) and the wolfs would have to seriously stop the boat to get a win. Presumably there was some sort of mechanism to stop this working but it would have been worth a try. And even more someone using a kill ability is just playing into the hands of the wolves unless they're 100% sure it's a wolf. But I tend to think like that anyway.

If no one was lynched the entire game or killed by a villager, the boat would have arrived in Miami with a wolf loss. With Anxiety turning down the underground, the village actually had an extra day of buffer.. But you are right.. give villagers items to kill others and they feel compelled to do so, and more often than not it hits another villager.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I hate conversions too, but I don't see how you're going to have no random factors without them.

I have a solution that I think you'll like.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

For my next game, I'm also planning to eliminate random factors.

The voting mechanism (40%) was interesting, but I think it hurts the village to encourage runaway votes.

I know some people feel different, but conversions - I hate them. I'm never running a game with conversions.

Conversions are tough. I agree. But to be fair, all the conversions happened early in the game. There hasn't been a conversion in the past few days.

But just the threat of a conversion makes COTs tough or impossible.

[path12]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Alan, was it just that when I went on excursions things were "taken" or was I just unlucky in that every excursion I went on yielded a choice that meant nothing

I think I only had two choices the entire game also. One when I was golfing with KWhit, Taz etc and lost $250 on the closest to the pin, and then when I went shopping and had a choice of Pawn shop, police station or craft shop. The rest of the time I just fell asleep on the beach and missed an excursion, snorkled to the shipwreck and with the stingrays and then got poisoned and couldn't go to the bar.

[Narcizo]

What happened with Jackal, incidentally?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

If no one was lynched the entire game or killed by a villager, the boat would have arrived in Miami with a wolf loss. With Anxiety turning down the underground, the village actually had an extra day of buffer.. But you are right.. give villagers items to kill others and they feel compelled to do so, and more often than not it hits another villager.

Yep. I was scared as hell that would happen.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by KWhit

But just the threat of a conversion makes COTs tough or impossible.

Yeah that was the hard thing for me. I literally had no information. No item, no power, I was too lazy to track locations and I just twisted myself up in the wind with all of the possibilities.

Drove me batty.

I still think Lathum is a wolf and you guys aren't telling me.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

What happened with Jackal, incidentally?

He got a bomb at the flea market in a town early on.. It pretty much was even described as a bomb.. but he just had to press the button and see what it did.

The bomb was designed to only kill the person who used it plus delay the ship a day if used on the ship. Since the ship was already delayed it didn't affect the timeline any.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Attacking, arguing, pointing fingers, rallying votes against - call it whatever you want,

.

thats werewolf!

[Lathum]

dola- In all fairness I know this is McCollins first game here and we probably play very differently.

We are pretty hardcore and things can get testy but feelings very rarely if ever spill over.

When I go to Seattle I will happily buy Path a beer and some Just for Men

[st.cronin]

I thought mccollins played a very good game. He didn't get attacked nearly as much as I did.

[mccollins]

I've only played once on a forum before and the players weren't very good.

However, Alan pointed out that the villagers had no teamwork and I'm just throwing it out there why I think very little of this crucial information was shared.

I like Narcizo's ideas above. I didn't get why people "really wanted a lynch" day after day when we had barely any information to go on.

[Lathum]

Because lynches are a critical part of WW.

Lets say we took Narcizo's idea ( who I consider a very good player), what would the game consist of?

[jeheinz72]

I'm a "gotta break some eggs" type of player.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I like Narcizo's ideas above. I didn't get why people "really wanted a lynch" day after day when we had barely any information to go on.

I tend to agree with this. I hate it when players post something like "I'm more suspicious of ______, but we need a lynch, so I'll vote for _____." Vote for who you are suspicious of. If you're correct, you've perhaps kept the village from lynching a villager, perhaps pushing on somebody who isn't the vote leader causes some information to be revealed. Its always better to vote your convictions than to go along to get along.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mccollins

However, Alan pointed out that the villagers had no teamwork and I'm just throwing it out there why I think very little of this crucial information was shared.

well I was the one most victimized by that!

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Because lynches are a critical part of WW.

Lets say we took Narcizo's idea ( who I consider a very good player), what would the game consist of?

I understand and I bounce back and forth in my mind about whether we should have been trying to lynch each day.

However, the information we had was negligible and we only ever got one UG member!

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

well I was the one most victimized by that!

"Victimized"?? You never died!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mccollins

"Victimized"?? You never died!

dude!

I had 449 posts in the thread!!

I was constantly defending myself.

[Lathum]

I consider it a moral victory that I made it until the end

[mccollins]

Or slinging baseless suspicions at other villagers

Anywho, what's done is done and it was a very enjoyable two weeks. I look forward to the next game!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Or slinging baseless suspicions at other villagers

again

thats werewolf!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Or slinging baseless suspicions at other villagers

I have found that it is not the baseless suspicions that is wrong, you just have to pick the right game to do it. Just ask St.Cronin.. I can baselessly accuse him every game of being a wolf, and the one game I finally get it right, everyone says I am a genius! They don't remember the 8 games I was wrong!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I have found that it is not the baseless suspicions that is wrong, you just have to pick the right game to do it. Just ask St.Cronin.. I can baselessly accuse him every game of being a wolf, and the one game I finally get it right, everyone says I am a genius! They don't remember the 8 games I was wrong!

truer words were never spoken

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I have found that it is not the baseless suspicions that is wrong, you just have to pick the right game to do it. Just ask St.Cronin.. I can baselessly accuse him every game of being a wolf, and the one game I finally get it right, everyone says I am a genius! They don't remember the 8 games I was wrong!

You're too modest. The one game you got it right, you made a list of who you suspected, and it was a list of all the wolves.

[Lathum]

My opening PM including my role

Originaly posted by AlanT
You are the role of AlanT. You throw everything against the wall to see what sticks. You count as a villager for gameplay however you have your own winning conditions. You win if you live to the end of the game and at least one point during the game name every player as a suspected wolf.

[st.cronin]

lol

[Alan T]

That sounds just about right!

[TazFTW]

Did the diary help any, Lathum?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Did the diary help any, Lathum?

no because again, there was no way to verify anything.

I passed it to NFG last night hoping to curry some favor.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Taz and Anxiety -- did the wording of the PM about the conversion affect your decision? I had one where they framed me for some crime (I think it was a violation of NCAA rules), but they also had a gun pointed at me, so I figured I'd better do what they say.

Same with me, I'm just bull headed.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I am really surprised anybody would think Lathum was a wolf in this game.

Yeah, I never thought Lathum was a wolf either.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

For my next game, I'm also planning to eliminate random factors.

The voting mechanism (40%) was interesting, but I think it hurts the village to encourage runaway votes.

I know some people feel different, but conversions - I hate them. I'm never running a game with conversions.

In my Middle-Earth game, I made it 50%+1, and the good guys won.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Conversions are tough. I agree. But to be fair, all the conversions happened early in the game. There hasn't been a conversion in the past few days.

But just the threat of a conversion makes COTs tough or impossible.

In this game, you had a choice to be or not to be converted, which is fair.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

In this game, you had a choice to be or not to be converted, which is fair.

it may be fair, but it completly throws off the ability to share infomation and have that information be accepted as 100%

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

it may be fair, but it completly throws off the ability to share infomation and have that information be accepted as 100%

I think it's WW itself that does that. Any distrust in your story was based on people thinking that you were lying about it from the get-go, and to me, asking "why would I make that up?" so many times just made it look like you were trying to get away with something.

[Sonic Youth]

Oliegirl - Congrats on your upcoming wedding.

Lathum - Happy Birthday.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

OK,

I am getting mildly irritated.

Maybe I am not getting something.

I know you guys will be honest with me.

Was I attacking people?

nah ur just a dick

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

What happened with Jackal, incidentally?

hes an idiot?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Because lynches are a critical part of WW.

Lets say we took Narcizo's idea ( who I consider a very good player), what would the game consist of?

no lynch is NEVER na option!

[Sonic Youth]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The bodyguard protection necklace was not obvious when you received it what it was. However the people who got the pieces of it had the chance to go to town and find out information on it. Sonic Youth got 1/2 of it and chose to do so. Nfg got the other half and chose not to. Sonic passed his 1/2 to nfg who chose to wear it the entire game without even knowing what it did.. and Sonic Youth never told him.

That's wrong. I did. No one picked up on it. I even said what you called it in an post too. If someone had passed me something, I'd be canvassing their posts to find out what it did. I don't think this was done.

Post 754:

Originally Posted by Sonic Youth

So you've got a necklace of Itzamna been given to you? Your 'object' has a name/looks like? It can convey protection? No? Oh, it's just an object. I see. It's a bit of a convenient 'find'. It's funny how going to the beach or something like snorkelling equals immediate non suspicious activity.

I also only got one of the wolves wrong in the end, but by the time I realised, it was too late and I was being voted off. The villagers in this game where the vocal ones who did all the discussion. Is this rare, if someone is keeping track and not adding to discussion, they aren't subjected to a vote? I did get ntndeacon wrong, but the rest, they didn't discuss much compared to the villagers.

[TazFTW]

So did the rhyming all the time make me easier to trust or did it have no effect?