WW CXLIX SPAWN IV - GAME OVER (Post 3845)

[Danny]

As long as Julio's scan result of you came after conversion, that really clears you both

[JAG]

Originally Posted by JAG

So if we did something like this for Monday:

DV supervises 6 slaves + Chubby supervises 4 slaves to convert power facility 1 = That's 5/5 cycles needed to convert power facility 1
hoops converts + CF converts + Julio converts wearing engineering tool on water plant = 8/7 cycles needed to convert water plant
GE converts wearing engineering tool = 2/2 cycles needed to convert science lab

If you're not on this list, you should not yet submit an action. We will need to discuss what we should do about Abe's training, Shiggles' scan, and whether or not anyone should even do anything that puts them at risk of getting infected (my inclination is no one else should take an action).

[Danny]

I already submitted an action to continue to be awesome, sorry

[Danny]

I posted already, but I must not have paid attention, how does scanning machine work? Can we choose someone to scan?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Danny

I already submitted an action to continue to be awesome, sorry

Standing order?

[Danny]

If so, I think we scan Shiggles. if he is a spawn, we vote him and move on. But if he is not, we can let him get out of the brig and then use him as a doctor.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Standing order?

Yep lol

[Danny]

And what's up with this tracking site meter?

[Barkeep49]

Time seemed to almost stand still on this planet, but it now seems to be moving again at a normal pace.

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[CrimsonFox]

Danny, look at day 3. When people started moving off dubb. I want to say it's hard to believe that 3 wolves would make that move on to Danny1 in a row. We know dubb and Zinto did. So that puts Brit a LITTLE clearer. This is circumstantial I know but it is a factor you mention a lot. I would think that one of the starting spawn was already there. (Shiggles or LSG)

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

And what's up with this tracking site meter?

whew! I thought I had viruses! glad you got it too. I mean...awwww damn...you have viruses!

[CrimsonFox]

I have submitted my waterplant conversion.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Time seemed to almost stand still on this planet, but it now seems to be moving again at a normal pace.

See more of the people and the places that surround me now...

[Barkeep49]

"Shiggles my good doctor please examine Abe," Captain JAG orders.

Simultaneous to this, Crimson heads down to the water plant.

[Danny]

Is Shiggles in the brig?

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Danny

Is Shiggles in the brig?

He was released when the brig lost power.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

Is Shiggles in the brig?

no. That is why I suspected that the only reason Darth converted the brig's power that night was to let Shiggles go. Especially since it was the only night work he had ever done and he never said he was going to do it. Although Jag had mentioned previously that he was wanting it. We later discussed that this would be bad to do that night.

[Danny]

Oh ok, well it seems like Shiggles is the smart lynch choice if we can't scan him.

[CrimsonFox]

i wonder if julio scanned abe too? that would have worked out really well . that is IF julio got lucky.

[Danny]

Why would that work out?

Also, this game has reached top 10 status and the second biggest spawn game ever

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

Why would that work out?

Also, this game has reached top 10 status and the second biggest spawn game ever

Because it would be a doublecheck system on Abe perhaps. Or could prove one or the other wrong, etc. A small chance I know but still a chance of something really good coming out of it.

And it's because you and me are in da game, baby....and Jag, and hoops and autumn even made it somewhat far.

[Danny]

If Shiggles is a spawn then it doesn't really confirm anything.

[Danny]

For my action I am thinking that I promote Julio to officer. He is worthless as seargent at arms since we arent fixing gun bay thing

[CrimsonFox]

are we taking the science bay in case we need the engineer tools for you guys? I suspect there may be damage in space possible.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Danny

For my action I am thinking that I promote Julio to officer. He is worthless as seargent at arms since we arent fixing gun bay thing

I don't think you can do that while he's doing conversion work for us, but it's a good idea for tomorrow.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

are we taking the science bay in case we need the engineer tools for you guys? I suspect there may be damage in space possible.

Yes, it's on the list to come with us.

[CrimsonFox]

Unfortunately I have little hope that this will all work.

[hoopsguy]

Sending in my order now.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Danny

I already submitted an action to continue to be awesome, sorry

There isn't a multi-sided die with enough faces to handle the low percentage hit that is required for this to be true.

[Barkeep49]

Both Shiggles and Abe walk out of the doctor's office.

[Abe Sargent]

Sounds like a joke

[Danny]

Well if Shiggles is not a spawn then we know Abe is not one also

[Barkeep49]

Chief Engineer Hoops works on the water plant.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

Well if Shiggles is not a spawn then we know Abe is not one also

Ah I see what you mean. Granted I didn't really think Abe was one anyway. A darkhorse spawn candidate.

[JAG]

Alright, so let's recap everyone:

More than likely completely clear of being Spwan:

GE and Chubby: More than likely not Spawn as they claim Absolute Trust and it seemed like Chief was protective of Chubby when he was alive and Chubby was in line to be voted. Only way they could be Spawn is if both of them are.

Julio and hoops: More than likely not Spawn as neither can be starting Spawn and Julio has claimed hoops to have a specific villager role yesterday, one that is not kept when someone becomes a Spawn. Julio was also suspicious of hoops which lends credence to his story of having scanned hoops over a period of three days. Only way there could be a Spawn here is if Julio is the mutated Spawn.


Clear of being starting Spawn (potentially mutated Spawn):

JAG: Demonstrated duplicant role

CrimsonFox: Demonstrated empathic role (both instances have been determined to be true as far as we can tell).


Could only be starting Spawn if they are the Unaware Spawn (could also be mutated Spawn):

Danny: Scanned by saldana as not Spawn. D2 opened the voting on Simbo with the second vote of the day and never moved it, so it seems unlikely he was a starting Spawn anyway.


Could potentially be starting Spawn or mutated Spawn (here I'm including my views on their voting records and other info):

LSG: D2: Early vote for Schmidty, later changed to Simbo to make the vote 6-5-3 Simbo-mau-Schmidty, even later changed the vote to mauboy to make it 8-4-1 mauboy-Simbo-Schmidty. D3: Voted dubb to put dubb up 6-2-2-1 over hoops-Danny-Julio, later unvoted dubb and voted Julio to make the vote 5-3-2-2 dubb-Julio-hoops-Danny, later unvoted Julio and voted Danny to make it 4-3-3-3 dubb-hoops-Danny-Julio. D4: Voted Simbo to make it 3-2-2-1-1 Chubby-Simbo-CrimsonFox-Zinto-Julio.

Assessment and non-voting information: Likely not starting Spawn. You can argue with some of her D2+D3 votes, but to push fellow Spawn Simbo out in front to 6 earlier in the day seems unlikely and then at the end why change a meaningless vote to mauboy when keeping it on Simbo would look better in retrospect? And in general just the jumping around of votes seems unlikely for her to do as Spawn. Her D4 vote and that she brought up the suspicion for Simbo that was discussed the day before when no one else had done so also makes her look like she could only be the mutated Spawn.

Britrock: D2: Voted Schmidty to make the vote 1-1-1 Simbo-mauboy-Schmidty. Later unvoted Schmidty when the vote was 7-4-1 Simbo-mauboy-Schmidty but did not vote again. D3: Voted Danny to make the vote 5-4-3-2 Danny-dubb-Julio-hoops. Note that later on D3 Zinto (confirmed bad) changed his vote to dubb before changing it to Danny. D4: voted Chubby to make the vote 4-4 between Simbo-Chubby.

Assessment and non-voting information: Voting record is not a point in his favor. However he did a good bit of research which does not appear to have been faked which resulted in helpful tools for the village as well as pointing out the medium-level research option as a possibility to help with repairs when I did not realize it would assist with repairs. More based on vibe, I do not suspect him though there is objective evidence to consider. At the moment I consider him not a likely starting Spawn.

Shiggles: No vote D2, D3 votes Danny to make it 2-2-2 dubb-Danny-hoops, D4 votes Zinto to 1-1-1-1 with Chubby-CrimsonFox-Packer/Danny2-Zinto. Later unvoted Zinto and voted Simbo to make it 2-2-1-1 Chubby-CrimsonFox-Simbo-Julio.

Assessment and non-voting information: Vote history is somewhat in his favor, again missing the D2 vote when a Spawn is on the line, D4 voting two different Spawn instead of other plausible options. Other marks in his favor: apparently was locked in the brig when both Spawn kills were made (the conversion of the power facility powering the brig should have happened at the end of the night), has claimed the Spawn Aware role when no one else has nor has it been disputed. I tend to believe he is not a starting Spawn.

DV: No vote D2+D3. D4 votes Simbo to 7-5 over Chubby.

Assessment and non-voting information: It's DV. It's hard to believe as a Spawn he would not put in votes on D2+D3 when there are Spawn and spawnlings in the running. Current assessment is not a likely starting Spawn.

Abe Sargent (could potentially be starting Spawn either if Shiggles is Spawn or if he's the unaware Spawn if Shiggles is good): D2 voted mauboy to make it 4-4-3 Simbo-Schmidty-mauboy, D3 voted dubb to 2 early and did not move the vote, D4 voted Packer/Danny2 to make it 1-1-1-1 hoops-Chubby-CrimsonFox-Packer/Danny2 (note that Simbo had the CrimsonFox vote), later changed his vote to Chubby to make the voting 2-1-1-1 Chubby-hoops-CrimsonFox-Zinto.

Assessment and non-voting information: His voting record, as Danny pointed out, does not look good at all, especially day 4 switching from Packer/Danny2 to bring Chubby to 2 when Zinto and Simbo both had votes. He has not at all seemed engaged in finding likely Spawn, but has been in his trainer role. More subjectively, I've wondered why Abe has not been targeted by the Spawn. They have gone to lengths to prevent us from getting scans by attacking the medical facility, having Zinto take Shiggles + saldana on a mining excursion, and last night by killing saldana + Chief Rum. The one thing they haven't done is try to take away from us the guy who's been training up our doctors. In my opinion, Abe is the likeliest amongst the remaining players to be the starting Spawn.

Vote Abe Sargent

[JAG]

Also Abe has had early votes each day between D2-4 and today on Shiggles as well shortly after he got a vote to put Shiggles at 2-1 over him, similar to his D4 vote putting Chubby up 2-1 over Zinto (and others).

[Danny]

Good analysis Jag. A couple notes though.

Even with Julio telling the truth, Hoops could still potentially be a mutated spawn depending on when exactly Julio got his scan back. Based on our spawn scanner we know the most recent spawn cropped up at the end of Day 5 right after we lynched Zinto. If Julio got his Hoops scan Night 4 or before then Hoops is not clear. If he got it night 5, then Hoops is clear.

Also, technically my Simbo vote Day 2 and Day 3 was Danny1. I did vote Simbo again as Danny2 and then created the argument for voting Zinto.

[Julio Riddols]

Submitted my work order, catching up on things.

[JAG]

Julio stated he scanned Autumn N1+N2 and did hoops the last three nights (N3-N5), so hoops should be clear unless I've somehow mis-stated his case. I believe I correctly stated "your" (that is, PackerFanatic's) vote D2 as being the first one on Simbo. I didn't look up Danny1's vote.

[Danny]

Ah yes Danny 2 and Danny1 voted Simbo lol.

Oh ok, then I definitely believe Julio and Hoops to be clear or as close as we will come without a scan anyway.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Danny

Good analysis Jag. A couple notes though.

Even with Julio telling the truth, Hoops could still potentially be a mutated spawn depending on when exactly Julio got his scan back. Based on our spawn scanner we know the most recent spawn cropped up at the end of Day 5 right after we lynched Zinto. If Julio got his Hoops scan Night 4 or before then Hoops is not clear. If he got it night 5, then Hoops is clear.

Also, technically my Simbo vote Day 2 and Day 3 was Danny1. I did vote Simbo again as Danny2 and then created the argument for voting Zinto.

I'm not sure I can be fully clear, given that I'm working evenings and could go the "spawnling by exposure" route. But I'm glad people have agreed that I'm not starting spawn and that the likelihood of me being converted is pretty low based on timing of saldana's scans + julio's psychic info.

[hoopsguy]

Well, does the Shiggles scan of Abe change the thought process on votes here? It does eliminate the Shiggles = survivor, Abe = spawn scenario at the very least ...

[Danny]

But then the spawn detector would say 3. For now you are clear until that detector finds another spawn.

The second post is correct unless Abe is unaware spawn. I'd have a tough time believing there isn't one of those out there actually.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Well, does the Shiggles scan of Abe change the thought process on votes here? It does eliminate the Shiggles = survivor, Abe = spawn scenario at the very least ...

Unless Abe is an Unaware Spawn:

Unaware Spawn During the day, is unaware of being a Spawn (and may not communicate with other Spawn), but will not seem to be a Spawn when tested by other players. At night, assumes normal Spawn powers.

[Shiggles]

Mr abe is untained by any spawn. He is cleared

[Abe Sargent]

unvote Shiggles
Vote DV

I suspect that if Shiggles were spawn, he would have said I was when I wasn;t to get a day of voting off me and then him the next day. Take out the trainer and end any more doctors, that's how I would have played that.

[Shiggles]

Originally Posted by JAG

Unless Abe is an Unaware Spawn:

ick, like a stealth wolf? would that trigger under spawn aware then? course its like julio's ability, doesnt always hit, better chance when more repeat exposure, but ive been training with abe twice now 1 on 1, so im extra confident he is not a spawn

[Danny]

Why would he do that Abe? If you were spawn and he wasn't, you both would have exploded. He's not going to claim something that is impossible.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Danny

Why would he do that Abe? If you were spawn and he wasn't, you both would have exploded. He's not going to claim something that is impossible.

He could claim I was tainted, like dubb was, that;s what I was referring to.

[Danny]

If he claimed you were spawn just now, he would have my vote already