Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Narcizo]

Oh

[Narcizo]

I

[Narcizo]

get

[Narcizo]

it

[Narcizo]

now

[Narcizo]

Any reason you didn't feel like sharing that with us Ardent?

[Narcizo]

Sorry that's going to be me being rude asking you a question you can't answer because you're not around for ages isn't it?

[Narcizo]

Hmmm.. I don't know. It doesn't fit perfectly but it's certainly a pretty clear tendency.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

gah, stupid quick reply. I do expect to be home around noon central today.

Not exactly lying but definitely starting to get in a grey zone there.

[Grammaticus]

I'm weary

[Narcizo]

If people think I'm a wolf release Ardent and nobody put a bodyguard on me. I'm sure we know what the result will be. I've asked to be scanned a hundred times but, for some reason, no one has. I don't know what more I can do.

If there's still a game tomorrow I think you guys should be looking at anyone who has been conducting and winning lots of law suits recently. Looking at recent events I don't buy it being Autumn but Grammatica has some explaining to do. I think you should be looking to arrest Anxiety and rearrest Ardent/Path.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

And again, you're wrong. And you ARE going to apologize when this is all over for being so confident AND yet so wrong.

I doubt he'll do that. He's playing a game, not insulting you personally.

[Narcizo]

Vote Nightfall

[NAFL draft]

[Abe Sargent]

Again< I've scanned AE, not scanned path12. So,

Vote path

[Abe Sargent]

And Vote Nightfall too

[st.cronin]

The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Grammus Atticus

These men are extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus
Autumnus Leaveus

These men are of moderate wealth:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Ironus Headus
Mustangus Sallus
Narcizus Lispus

These remaining Senators are of ordinary wealth:

Chiefus Rumus
Passus Caglius
Pathus Twelveus
Tyrus Ithus

The following services are available in the Forum today:

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses
and of course,

Narcizus Lispus

[Tyrith]

VOTE ARDENT

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

Okay, no poison kills since Day 6 is strange. I see a couple of definite possibilities:

1) The people killed on Day 6 were Peregrine (by poison) and Neon Chaos (lynched). The fact that Peregrine was poisoned clears him as good to me. Ardent said that Neon Chaos was good, and since Neon Chaos was the other lawyer there is no one to corroborate this statement. Perhaps the ability to poison Senators was a trait that was solely available to Neon Chaos, and his death ended the ability of the wolves to do this. That would of course implicate Ardent in lying about Neon Chaos' allegiance.

2) A possibility is that scans only work if you correctly scan the wolf doing the night kill. If we have actually knocked off a few wolves then they might be afraid of doing a poisoning, worried that a scan will reveal them to the village.

3) The wolves have managed to grab control of both of the lawyer spots and the Tribune of the Plebs and therefore control the information that is fed to the village, as well as lynches. Think about it. Narcizo at this point can basically suggest to arrest someone and then just declare the trial null and void. This results in a huge cycle of wasted time for the village. I am glad that Anxiety and Autumn did not get voted out last night but I don't trust the fact that Narcizo is alive in 1) the second lawyer position and 2) as the Tribune. These were positions that were being targeted all game long. Given that the assignment to these roles were random, there is no way the wolves could have envisioned landing both of them.

At this point I honestly think we need to start considering the strong possibility that both Ardent and Narcizo are bad. At this point Ardent will likely get my vote tonight.

Point one is good, there must be some reasoning that the poisoning stopped, and I hadn't noticed that coincidence on day 6. Since then AE and Anxietus have moved right up in the rankings and been grabbing the swordsman, perhaps to make up for the loss of the poisoner.

I agree also that Narcizo not dying has been suspicious. Since he's taken office I have two kills taking place: AE killing Coffeeus, and the sword guy killing Mr. W. So it may just be that the bad guys have lost a lot of their ability to kill, and have started targeting people unlikely to be protected. Also, specifically both previous lawyers were poisoned, so maybe the bad guys have to use poison on the public roles??

Narcizo being bad still seems a possibility, especially with this last execution vote being vetoed.

Are there any other executions where only Ardent gave us the results??

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Well duh! Of course you do.

OK. I'm guessing this is a duke role.

Newb question, what is a duke role? It means we can't kill him?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Sorry, Anxiety, but this is getting ridiculous. You need to die now, even if you're the saintliest among us. I would think even you would understand that now, and accept it if you were good (I wouldn't expect you to accept it if you were bad).

ardent, I won't vote to free you, but I have suspicions of path, too, so if you promise to use your assassin "wisely", I will vote the other guy off the rock. Or you off the rock, if that's really what you want.

I am sick of the vote and toss method of killing. It's time to go direct. I don't want to control the assassin to stop the Tarqs from getting him anymore. I want to control the assassin so I can go serial on everyone I suspect of being a Tarq and remove them without the "aid" of a lawyer. And damn the lawyer results from rock tossings--we haven't been able to trust that from the get-go anyway.

I sure would like to find a way to actually pin Anxietus too.

THis judicial system is irritating for sure. I don't think I want to leave the sword killing to Ardent's discretion though.

What's your case against Pathus, Chief? Basically what I've heard so far is that he was one of the people who could have hired the sword killer at the beginning of the game, so that's a good point. Does anyone have anything else? I'm leaning towards executing Ardent, unless I see more of a case against Pathus. Especially given how confusing this bidding system has been. I've been looking at those PDFs and it just doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Grammaticus]

VOTE to execute Ardentus Enthusiastus

Something odd is going on with Anxietus so I feel good about going opposite of him. Also, AE says he wants to be executed, so it seems like a really good choice right now.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

You can start throwing as many accusations as you like Ardent. But try backing them up with something concrete eh? I'm starting to get sick of the self-righteous tone you're adopting.

I can easily say the same thing about you. All your accusations are unjust, unfounded, and just retardedly wrong.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Any reason you didn't feel like sharing that with us Ardent?

What are you talking about?

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Not exactly lying but definitely starting to get in a grey zone there.

Are you insane??

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I doubt he'll do that. He's playing a game, not insulting you personally.

See, that's the thing. I feel that he is. You can't tell me how I feel.

[Poli]

By the way, I think it would have been funny to hire Narcizco to defend me, but I didn't.

[Poli]

Cronin, can you clarify if I can give away my wealth, and if I can just plead guilty?

[Poli]

Crap. Just missed him I guess.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I can easily say the same thing about you. All your accusations are unjust, unfounded, and just retardedly wrong.

OK here are some of the unjust, unfounded and just retardly wrong accusations.

1, Anxiety cleared Ardent. Anxiety has just escaped execution by a duke role and excaped before with a double lawyer combo - despite have a clear majority against him. Both Anxiety and Ardent have shot up the wealth charts since the start of the game. If they're both wolves they'd be able to share information including how to accumulate wealth, they could thinktank it or, perhaps, it was in their role description.

2, Yesterday Anxiety claimed he bid and failed on a swordsman while Ardent claimed he didn't bid. They were the two wealthiest people in Rome. They can't be both telling the truth, and given point 1) it's likely that neither is.

3, I asked Ardent not to kill Coffee Warlord because I believed executing him would provide us with important information. Ardent went ahead and killed him anyway, blocking the chance to get any information.

4, People have been questioning why I'm still alive. The fact is that there's only been two sword kills recently. Ardent killed CW and someone killed Mr Wednesday (a safe kill if ever I saw one). Why is Ardent still alive? All other lawyers have been dropping off like flies when the kills where flying around but Ardent stays alive?

5, Ardent was only to happy to declare that I ruled when my theories fit his purposes. (to such an extent that he killed CW) As soon as they lead me to him I'm suddenly a wolf.

6, Ardent hasn't offered one constructive piece of information to help the village. All we've had has been post boosting (which I have a theory about - the writ system could be linked to number of posts in some way) and a desire to stay alive when the spotlight is on him. Interesting that the focus of his defence is entirely on me despite doubts coming from several people.

7, Ironhead pointed out that the poison killings lasted until the day Mr Neon died. We only have one person clearing Mr Neon that time. Ardent.

[Poli]

I don't even have to read this post to know just about anything you've said about me is wrong.

[Poli]

Wait.

[Poli]

This

[Poli]

is

[Poli]

me

[Poli]

acting

[Poli]

like

[Poli]

Narcizo.

[Poli]

3. That's true. I got tired of hearing CW cry that I was bad. I'm still convinced HE was.

As for offering information, I have given all I have to give. I haven't made up stuff like you have.

[Poli]

Hey, CR. How are you? Kind of weird to have all three of us online at the same time.

[Poli]

AND Autumn. Dang.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

See, that's the thing. I feel that he is. You can't tell me how I feel.

I don't think I tried to.

[Autumn]

I've just assumed it was Ardent's routine to write a billion posts ... but your theory makes sense Narcizo. That would explain why the people who win suits changes as the game goes on.

[Autumn]

I'm going to wait a little bit still to see if anyone has a case to make against Path. If not I'll vote to execute Ardentus, and nightfall, in case we can move on.

As for arrests, I've yet to see any reason to move away from Anxietus and Ardentus. We may not be able to pull of executing Anxiety, but at least we can keep him in jail. Tyrus Ithus, who are you thinking of targeting with your arrest today?

And just in case we can't pull off an execution or arrest somehow ...

I SUE ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
I SUE GRAMUS ATTICUS

[Poli]

[quote=Narcizo;1447458]OK here are some of the unjust, unfounded and just retardly wrong accusations.

1, Anxiety cleared Ardent. Anxiety has just escaped execution by a duke role and excaped before with a double lawyer combo - despite have a clear majority against him. Both Anxiety and Ardent have shot up the wealth charts since the start of the game. If they're both wolves they'd be able to share information including how to accumulate wealth, they could thinktank it or, perhaps, it was in their role description.

Lots of accusations, big IF there as well.

2, Yesterday Anxiety claimed he bid and failed on a swordsman while Ardent claimed he didn't bid. They were the two wealthiest people in Rome. They can't be both telling the truth, and given point 1) it's likely that neither is.

I have never lied. I did not place a bid that day. I did not have the time. You can look at my time sheet for MY JOB and then confirm I was at the Fenton City Park with primelord and WSUCougar through the night. The fact you keep pushing for me makes me believe you are trying to hide yourself as a wolf.

3, I asked Ardent not to kill Coffee Warlord because I believed executing him would provide us with important information. Ardent went ahead and killed him anyway, blocking the chance to get any information.

At that time, I was tired of CW's accusations, just as I'm tired of yours. This might be the first true thing you've said so far, but I don't recall you actually telling me not to do it. Granted, I wouldn't have listened anyway.

4, People have been questioning why I'm still alive. The fact is that there's only been two sword kills recently. Ardent killed CW and someone killed Mr Wednesday (a safe kill if ever I saw one). Why is Ardent still alive? All other lawyers have been dropping off like flies when the kills where flying around but Ardent stays alive?

Maybe it's just that I skim over the posts after I get off work, but I can't recall anyone questioning why you're still alive. But in truth, I don't see this as an accusation. Why I'm still alive, I have no idea.

5, Ardent was only to happy to declare that I ruled when my theories fit his purposes. (to such an extent that he killed CW) As soon as they lead me to him I'm suddenly a wolf.

What are you talking about specifically? I can't remember that time. You might be right. You're not suddenly a wolf, but I do now suspect you. The only thing I do know is you're 100% wrong about me.

6, Ardent hasn't offered one constructive piece of information to help the village. All we've had has been post boosting (which I have a theory about - the writ system could be linked to number of posts in some way) and a desire to stay alive when the spotlight is on him. Interesting that the focus of his defence is entirely on me despite doubts coming from several people.

A lie. I have been 100% upfront about every single thing I've done. Every bit of information passed to me has gone out to everyone else.

7, Ironhead pointed out that the poison killings lasted until the day Mr Neon died. We only have one person clearing Mr Neon that time. Ardent.

How is this a point? Neon was good. Do you not realize how foolish that would be of me to lie about? Let's just say Neon was bad, and so was I...only because I'm the "lawyer" I can't poison people for one reason or another. Wouldn't it be plain as day obvious after a few days of people not getting poisoned? Come on. Get off your high horse. And you owe me an apology after the game.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm going to wait a little bit still to see if anyone has a case to make against Path. If not I'll vote to execute Ardentus, and nightfall, in case we can move on.

As for arrests, I've yet to see any reason to move away from Anxietus and Ardentus. We may not be able to pull of executing Anxiety, but at least we can keep him in jail. Tyrus Ithus, who are you thinking of targeting with your arrest today?

And just in case we can't pull off an execution or arrest somehow ...

I SUE ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
I SUE GRAMUS ATTICUS

Actually, I was planning on sending my wealth to you, Autumn. Besides Chief Rum, you're the only person I trust.

[Chief Rum]

A lot of what Narcizo has up there, ardent, is conjecture, but that's mostly what we have been having to go on in this game anyway. He also does make some evidentiary points. Once again, much of it is based on information we can't really confirm, but it's the best we got. So I wouldn't say he made it up.

In fact, putting that much work into an analysis post this late is impressive, and IMO, makes it more likely he's not a wolf from a sem- metagaming perpsective. I usually have as much enthusiasm for analysis and long posts as anyone in a WW game (I mean, I bring out spreadsheets and stuff), and yet I am tired of doing analysis at this point in a long game. That he still has the energy to come up with something like that speaks well for his goodness. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that means he's right that you're a wolf--just that it suggests he is what he says he is.

As for "wisely" from my post before, let's just say there's a certain someone still in the game who should have been tossed from the rock twice now. I think it's past time to remove him.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

3. That's true. I got tired of hearing CW cry that I was bad. I'm still convinced HE was.

As for offering information, I have given all I have to give. I haven't made up stuff like you have.

You say your convinced he was but WE can't be 100% sure because you assassainated him, instead of letting him go to trial and being executed when there were two lawyers to corroborate it.

And what have I made up? I've given reasons for everything I've done.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't think I tried to.

My point is this: You can't tell me if I feel insulted.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

You say your convinced he was but WE can't be 100% sure because you assassainated him, instead of letting him go to trial and being executed when there were two lawyers to corroborate it.

And what have I made up? I've given reasons for everything I've done.

And I just refuted your claims.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

How is this a point? Neon was good. Do you not realize how foolish that would be of me to lie about? Let's just say Neon was bad, and so was I...only because I'm the "lawyer" I can't poison people for one reason or another. Wouldn't it be plain as day obvious after a few days of people not getting poisoned? Come on. Get off your high horse. And you owe me an apology after the game.

Well, this is the only one I have a comment on. Apparently it wouldn't be plain as day since i don't remember anybody noticing or thinking about it until today.