2014 FIFA World Cup - Page 66

EagleFan · 07-09-2014, 04:19 PM

I have only seen Messi in games at this World Cup; maybe a few other times that I can't remember at the moment, but he seems like one of the more likeable players out there.

I have seen many times where he seems to be more concerned with trying to keep the play going than diving to try to get a call. In a sport where it seems that it is almost a requirement to fall to the ground when someone even looks your direction that is very refreshing to watch.

Abe Sargent · 07-09-2014, 04:34 PM

goal? offsides?

Abe Sargent · 07-09-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Not aware of any rule banning it. Unless you kick a ball at someone while play is dead.

So that GK who punched a nasty strike with a ton of zest, when there was guy attacking and way up in the air, if he has puned that ball hard at the attacker and injured him - legal?

cartman · 07-09-2014, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

So that GK who punched a nasty strike with a ton of zest, when there was guy attacking and way up in the air, if he has puned that ball hard at the attacker and injured him - legal?

As I understand the rules, yes. Same as if you kick the ball as hard as you can directly at the wall on a free kick.

cartman · 07-09-2014, 04:46 PM

I guess Germany used up all of the quarterfinal goal allotment yesterday.

Abe Sargent · 07-09-2014, 04:47 PM

Please no extra time - I'm relly hungry - and I wnat to head out for food

AlexB · 07-09-2014, 04:47 PM

Di Michelis looks a much better defender now he's got rid of that terrible haircut. Wonder if the look was part of the hapless impression earlier in the season?

And also if David Luiz had a non-idiotic haircut, would he get the same level of criticism?

AlexB · 07-09-2014, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Please no extra time - I'm relly hungry - and I wnat to head out for food

Similar: I need to get up early to drive three hours to a meeting tomorrow. Need to sleep!

Abe Sargent · 07-09-2014, 04:49 PM

Almost there

cartman · 07-09-2014, 04:50 PM

Robben almost broke down the D there

cartman · 07-09-2014, 05:04 PM

No late GK change for the Dutch this time

digamma · 07-09-2014, 05:04 PM

Didn't they sub at the 120th minute on Saturday?

cartman · 07-09-2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

Didn't they sub at the 120th minute on Saturday?

Yeah, but they have used their 3 subs

digamma · 07-09-2014, 05:07 PM

Got it.

AlexB · 07-09-2014, 05:11 PM

There's the reason why refs need to improve in conjunction with players not diving. Robben stays on his feet after being checked, but doesn't get the foul. If he goes down, who knows? But it should have been given

cartman · 07-09-2014, 05:20 PM

Zabaleta came out on the short, short end of that 50/50 challenge

Barkeep49 · 07-09-2014, 05:22 PM

I think this game is highly alarming considering what we know now about concussions.

korme · 07-09-2014, 05:26 PM

You've got to think Holland doesn't want this to go to penalties.

cartman · 07-09-2014, 05:27 PM

Argentina almost got that one.

cartman · 07-09-2014, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

You've got to think Holland doesn't want this to go to penalties.

They looked pretty solid shooting them against Costa Rica

cartman · 07-09-2014, 05:34 PM

Here we go. Penalty kicks

Blackadar · 07-09-2014, 05:35 PM

Germans have to be loving this. Whichever team they face, they'll have a massive edge in fitness. Extra day of rest + easier match vs. shorter rest + extra time.

Abe Sargent · 07-09-2014, 05:39 PM

Wow - first stop of the game right there!!!

Arles · 07-09-2014, 05:40 PM

This is crazy that PKs will determine a team for the WC Finals.

Abe Sargent · 07-09-2014, 05:41 PM

Messi and Robben are on as expected...Garay also hits 2-1

Abe Sargent · 07-09-2014, 05:42 PM

WHOA!!!!! SNEIDER STOPPED

Abe Sargent · 07-09-2014, 05:43 PM

3-1 it's all at it now

cartman · 07-09-2014, 05:43 PM

That was an awesome save on Sneijder's shot

Abe Sargent · 07-09-2014, 05:44 PM

Done - 4-2 - they are in

cartman · 07-09-2014, 05:45 PM

Got to it, but couldn't keep it out

Warhammer · 07-09-2014, 05:46 PM

Would have loved to have seen the Dutch go on. Pulling for the Germans now.

kingfc22 · 07-09-2014, 05:46 PM

Looking forward to Sunday. Hoping Argentina can pull it out in Brazil.

ISiddiqui · 07-09-2014, 05:47 PM

Go Argentina!!!

I am so happy that we don't have a 3rd straight WC Final with all European squads!

rowech · 07-09-2014, 05:47 PM

The Dutch are going to look back at these two world cups and wonder what would happened if they had played to win instead of not to lose.

cartman · 07-09-2014, 05:47 PM

The Dutch were really unlucky to not get any goals in the 240 minutes of game play in the Costa Rica and Argentina matches

JonInMiddleGA · 07-09-2014, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Would have loved to have seen the Dutch go on. Pulling for the Germans now.

This.

Chief Rum · 07-09-2014, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman

The Dutch were really unlucky to not get any goals in the 240 minutes of game play in the Costa Rica and Argentina matches

Not unlucky to not score in so long a time.

MIJB#19 · 07-09-2014, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

The Dutch are going to look back at these two world cups and wonder what would happened if they had played to win instead of not to lose.

Not really. We exceeded expectations in both tournaments. The intentions are there, but the extra man behind the ball was necessary to stand a chance in today's 7 1/2 men behind the ball football.

rowech · 07-09-2014, 06:15 PM

I'm wondering something about betting soccer games -- if you bet for a draw in a knockout game, do you win if the game goes to extra time or only if it goes to penalties?

digamma · 07-09-2014, 06:19 PM

You can make a regular time only bet. It depends on the fine print.

Critch · 07-09-2014, 06:30 PM

Where's Alexi Lalas gone? Havent seen him for a few days.

bhlloy · 07-09-2014, 06:42 PM

Boooring. There should be a rule that a 0-0 tie with less than five shots on goal results in the teams from the previous round coming back to play for the spot.

Just horrendous negative eight or nine men behind the ball for the whole game. Guess we all should have seen that coming after yesterday.

BillyMadison · 07-09-2014, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

You can make a regular time only bet. It depends on the fine print.

Have been wondering to the betting folk--- What are some of the best sites to bet on sports online? I know the legality of which is a grey area but somewhere which allows deposits from the US, easy withdrawals, has strong financial footing and legitimacy and good user base/customer service.

I've tried googling this but seems the only things that ever really come up when you type in "best betting sites for US" are questionable sites that have URLS like "free-easy-sports-betting-online.eu" and so forth..

The guy that bet on Suarez biting someone or threw $20 to a German 7-1 win and returned 48k kind of makes me want to throw $10 into an unlikely happening just for kicks. I realize sports betting is a problem for some people but for me, it gives some of the games that little bit of meaning and I tend to see it as money spent on entertainment and not as loss/winning of income.

Thanks

EagleFan · 07-09-2014, 07:02 PM

Damn cable went out at the start of the second half. Came back on briefly... long enough to see the last 5 PK's and then went back out about a minute after the final kick.... back on now...

At least it came back to let me see the end of the match.

sterlingice · 07-09-2014, 07:26 PM

Baseball has had multiple live ball and dead ball eras. Has such a thing existed in soccer with more and less offense throughout history?

SI

flere-imsaho · 07-09-2014, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Baseball has had multiple live ball and dead ball eras. Has such a thing existed in soccer with more and less offense throughout history?

Aside from the wholesale introduction of the offside rule, it's complicated, mainly because of all the countries involved and the different style of play in those countries (and leagues, of course).

I'd recommend reading Inverting the Pyramid by Jonathan Wilson for considerably more history on how the game has developed over time.

sterlingice · 07-09-2014, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Aside from the wholesale introduction of the offside rule, it's complicated, mainly because of all the countries involved and the different style of play in those countries (and leagues, of course).

I'd recommend reading Inverting the Pyramid by Jonathan Wilson for considerably more history on how the game has developed over time.

Good suggestion, but let's say I'm probably not going to read 464 pages in the next week or two. Is there more of an answer or does "it's complicated" pretty much encapsulate it, as you said.

SI

Marc Vaughan · 07-09-2014, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Good suggestion, but let's say I'm probably not going to read 464 pages in the next week or two. Is there more of an answer or does "it's complicated" pretty much encapsulate it, as you said.

Its a fantastic book and well worth reading, especially with regards to the evolution of rules and tactics (and why each occurs).

With regards to tactics and attack/defense over time, this goes in 'gusts' through generation as do styles generally in soccer ... that is a team finds success with a specific style and then that tends to become 'trendy' and other teams attempt to copy it, then another team finds a way to counter it and it goes out of vogue.

One of the most defensive eras involved the Italian style Catenaccio which ground out 1-0 wins continually.

At present the False-9 is the current trend with the biggest clubs and is proving fairly effective when done right, however I expect it to be 'nerfed' in the next season or two ... its not impossible to defend against, its more how used to playing against it the opposition are.

bbgunn · 07-10-2014, 04:38 AM

I'm calling it now... Argentina 2-0.

Dutch · 07-10-2014, 05:34 AM

Germany 3-2. I'm hoping for a great game first and foremost...so that seems like a pretty exciting score for a World Cup final.

07-09-2014, 04:19 PM	#3251
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I have only seen Messi in games at this World Cup; maybe a few other times that I can't remember at the moment, but he seems like one of the more likeable players out there. I have seen many times where he seems to be more concerned with trying to keep the play going than diving to try to get a call. In a sport where it seems that it is almost a requirement to fall to the ground when someone even looks your direction that is very refreshing to watch. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

07-09-2014, 04:34 PM	#3252
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	goal? offsides? __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-09-2014, 04:46 PM	#3255
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I guess Germany used up all of the quarterfinal goal allotment yesterday. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

07-09-2014, 04:47 PM	#3256
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Please no extra time - I'm relly hungry - and I wnat to head out for food __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-09-2014, 04:47 PM	#3257
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	Di Michelis looks a much better defender now he's got rid of that terrible haircut. Wonder if the look was part of the hapless impression earlier in the season? And also if David Luiz had a non-idiotic haircut, would he get the same level of criticism? __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

07-09-2014, 04:49 PM	#3259
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Almost there __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-09-2014, 04:50 PM	#3260
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Robben almost broke down the D there __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint Last edited by cartman : 07-09-2014 at 04:50 PM.

07-09-2014, 05:04 PM	#3261
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	No late GK change for the Dutch this time __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

07-09-2014, 05:04 PM	#3262
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Didn't they sub at the 120th minute on Saturday?

07-09-2014, 05:07 PM	#3264
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Got it.

07-09-2014, 05:11 PM	#3265
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	There's the reason why refs need to improve in conjunction with players not diving. Robben stays on his feet after being checked, but doesn't get the foul. If he goes down, who knows? But it should have been given __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports! Last edited by AlexB : 07-09-2014 at 05:12 PM.

07-09-2014, 05:20 PM	#3266
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Zabaleta came out on the short, short end of that 50/50 challenge __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

07-09-2014, 05:22 PM	#3267
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I think this game is highly alarming considering what we know now about concussions.

07-09-2014, 05:26 PM	#3268
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	You've got to think Holland doesn't want this to go to penalties.

07-09-2014, 05:27 PM	#3269
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Argentina almost got that one. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

07-09-2014, 05:34 PM	#3271
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Here we go. Penalty kicks __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

07-09-2014, 05:35 PM	#3272
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Germans have to be loving this. Whichever team they face, they'll have a massive edge in fitness. Extra day of rest + easier match vs. shorter rest + extra time.

07-09-2014, 05:39 PM	#3273
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Wow - first stop of the game right there!!! __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-09-2014, 05:40 PM	#3274
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	This is crazy that PKs will determine a team for the WC Finals. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

07-09-2014, 05:41 PM	#3275
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Messi and Robben are on as expected...Garay also hits 2-1 __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-09-2014, 05:42 PM	#3276
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	WHOA!!!!! SNEIDER STOPPED __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-09-2014, 05:43 PM	#3277
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	3-1 it's all at it now __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-09-2014, 05:43 PM	#3278
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	That was an awesome save on Sneijder's shot __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

07-09-2014, 05:44 PM	#3279
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Done - 4-2 - they are in __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-09-2014, 05:45 PM	#3280
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Got to it, but couldn't keep it out __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

07-09-2014, 05:46 PM	#3281
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	Would have loved to have seen the Dutch go on. Pulling for the Germans now.

07-09-2014, 05:46 PM	#3282
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Looking forward to Sunday. Hoping Argentina can pull it out in Brazil. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-09-2014, 05:47 PM	#3283
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Go Argentina!!! I am so happy that we don't have a 3rd straight WC Final with all European squads! __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-09-2014, 05:47 PM	#3284
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	The Dutch are going to look back at these two world cups and wonder what would happened if they had played to win instead of not to lose.

07-09-2014, 05:47 PM	#3285
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	The Dutch were really unlucky to not get any goals in the 240 minutes of game play in the Costa Rica and Argentina matches __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint Last edited by cartman : 07-09-2014 at 05:48 PM.

07-09-2014, 06:15 PM	#3289
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	I'm wondering something about betting soccer games -- if you bet for a draw in a knockout game, do you win if the game goes to extra time or only if it goes to penalties?

07-09-2014, 06:19 PM	#3290
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	You can make a regular time only bet. It depends on the fine print.

07-09-2014, 06:30 PM	#3291
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	Where's Alexi Lalas gone? Havent seen him for a few days.

07-09-2014, 06:42 PM	#3292
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Boooring. There should be a rule that a 0-0 tie with less than five shots on goal results in the teams from the previous round coming back to play for the spot. Just horrendous negative eight or nine men behind the ball for the whole game. Guess we all should have seen that coming after yesterday.

07-09-2014, 07:02 PM	#3294
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Damn cable went out at the start of the second half. Came back on briefly... long enough to see the last 5 PK's and then went back out about a minute after the final kick.... back on now... At least it came back to let me see the end of the match. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important