WW XCIV Group Therapy - Game Over! - Page 69

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:09 PM

Nice move Lathum. It almost backfired because I almost went with the idea of switching votes. But it drew out some nice info.

Chief Rum · 05-21-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

So my goal was to tie it up and force Poli to make a vote somewhere.

I was pretty sure Hoops/ CR were on the level and felt PF was a wolf.

I wanted to convince Poli there was no way I was switching to see where he went. If he went Hoops I could assume he was a wolf and switch over to still lynch PF.

I had to jump the gun a little because it took him so long and I didn't want to get shut out but he still went Hoops.

Hmm...Machiavellian. Maybe Lathum's the world's greatest villager, too.

Lathum · 05-21-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Awesome. Thank heavens.

And thank you, Lathum.

I had a plan the whole time.

And sorry for pushing your buttons but I had to make it seem I was 100% against you guys

DaddyTorgo · 05-21-2009, 08:11 PM

nice! good to see us get another one of those bastards! *happy dance* ok off to reset my phone once this post freezes it. hooray!

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:12 PM

I think that Saldana got duped, so it's pretty clear where our votes should be going tomorrow I think.

Chief Rum · 05-21-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I had a plan the whole time.

And sorry for pushing your buttons but I had to make it seem I was 100% against you guys

Great plan, you bastard. You worked me like a violin. Well done.

dubb93 · 05-21-2009, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think that Saldana got duped, so it's pretty clear where our votes should be going tomorrow I think.

I just wish you guys coulda got us without all the fucking cheating.

Lathum · 05-21-2009, 08:13 PM

Do you guys trust me now?

Lathum · 05-21-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I just wish you guys coulda got us without all the fucking cheating.

huh?

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:14 PM

Lathum certainly has made it easier for me to finish up my list, but as you can see, Hoops, I wasn't talking out of my ass and tomorrow I'll feel very certain about everything.

hoopsguy · 05-21-2009, 08:14 PM

Nice job, Lathum.

1. I'm very glad I did not get traction on you yesterday. Still not sure why the wolves didn't put votes there, but I don't care
2. Upon further review, I don't want the question to be answered and out there for the wolves so I'll wait until after the game

Chief Rum · 05-21-2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Do you guys trust me now?

Does the Pope like boys?

Heck yeah.

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I just wish you guys coulda got us without all the fucking cheating.

umm....

Poli · 05-21-2009, 08:16 PM

This game is over.

Poli · 05-21-2009, 08:16 PM

Danny
Pro Starter

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Southern California

Grroup Therapy Role

You guys are the needies! You are selfish and want me all to yourself (not surprised random.org chose Poli).

Telle is the Screamer - If voted that you no longer need therapy you may scream at the top of your lungs in the face of one player and they will become overly emotional and leave therapy with you

PackerFanatic is the Criticizer - You are a needy who has the ability to criticize one player every other night. The player who is criticized will have such low self esteem that they won't feel confident enough to vote the next day. That player can still post. Needies may criticize themselves or fellow needies.

Poli is the Wannabe Therapist - Your skills and knowledge of the therapeutic process are developed to the level where you are able to fool the empathizer into thinking you are just one of the group.

Dubb is the Desperate for Attention - You want everyone's attention at all times, however you need to be careful not to draw suspicion as a needy. Each night you may pull aside one player and see how they respond to your attempts for attention. If you talk to the empathizer or sympathizer you will know it. However there is also one player out there who if you talk to will learn your identity, but will not be able to outright reveal it to the group.

EagleFanis not a listed role. And he won't be able to tell you, so don't bother asking.

dubb93 · 05-21-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Nice job, Lathum.

1. I'm very glad I did not get traction on you yesterday. Still not sure why the wolves didn't put votes there, but I don't care
2. Upon further review, I don't want the question to be answered and out there for the wolves so I'll wait until after the game

I think it is over at this point so go ahead.

hoopsguy · 05-21-2009, 08:17 PM

Assuming it is, it is a lesson that wolves have the best voting records.

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:17 PM

Wow, not even going to try to keep snowing us? All right by me I guess.

dubb93 · 05-21-2009, 08:17 PM

It should be noted that per the rules EF really did not tell us what is role was. The same can not be said for you guys.

hoopsguy · 05-21-2009, 08:18 PM

OK, so what the hell was Lathum's role? It sounded like such a load of crap.

I'm also curious what Autumn was able to do to get info.

Poli · 05-21-2009, 08:19 PM

We had to be talked out of quitting two days ago.

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:19 PM

Hoops, I was just the non-evil version of EagleFan's role.

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:20 PM

Lathum, were you teh Risk Taker? And if so why didn't I see any votes on you?

hoopsguy · 05-21-2009, 08:20 PM

Wolves, why didn't you take out me or Chief last night and hope you got the double?

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

We had to be talked out of quitting two days ago.

You guys felt like we were able to talk about roles far too freely?

Poli · 05-21-2009, 08:20 PM

I won't be answering another question in this game.

PackerFanatic · 05-21-2009, 08:21 PM

It was a fun game (especially since this is the longest I believe I have lasted as a wolf) but I don't think its a good idea to do "hidden" roles with no reveal again - too much gray area with what can and cannot be said.

Danny · 05-21-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

It was a fun game (especially since this is the longest I believe I have lasted as a wolf) but I don't think its a good idea to do "hidden" roles with no reveal again - too much gray area with what can and cannot be said.

I agree with this, under the rules I allowed too much and when I tried to stop the village from keeping on the whole roles thing, they kept pushing it and I really couldn't say anything or risked the giving the wolves away.

I won't be doing another game with this mechanic. In theory I still like it, but too much grey area like you said and very few players played the way I was hoping everyone would.

Lathum · 05-21-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Lathum, were you teh Risk Taker? And if so why didn't I see any votes on you?

yes, I was the risk taker

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poli

I won't be answering another question in this game.

Okay, sorry.

Chief Rum · 05-21-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

It was a fun game (especially since this is the longest I believe I have lasted as a wolf) but I don't think its a good idea to do "hidden" roles with no reveal again - too much gray area with what can and cannot be said.

I tend to agree. There was too much gray area. hoops and I weren't sure at all how much we could say.

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

yes, I was the risk taker

And you took a risk on the day you voted PB? That was what I was reading from you, but no votes showed up against you.

PackerFanatic · 05-21-2009, 08:24 PM

So you guys were lovers then?

Alan T · 05-21-2009, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I agree with this, under the rules I allowed too much and when I tried to stop the village from keeping on the whole roles thing, they kept pushing it and I really couldn't say anything or risked the giving the wolves away.

I won't be doing another game with this mechanic. In theory I still like it, but too much grey area like you said and very few players played the way I was hoping everyone would.

I talked with someone via AIM after I had died about that. My comment was that I understood why you implemented the rules (to try to prevent a mass reveal type scenerio), but my guess was after the game you'd likely admit that it didn't work as well as you had hoped.

hoopsguy · 05-21-2009, 08:25 PM

What is the "Risk Taker" role? And I don't recall the details on EF's role - Autumn/Danny, can one of you guys post your role?

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:25 PM

The wolves certainly dida remarkable job of hiding thier voting record. Going by that I would have strung up a whole lot of villagers. Did you guys basically offer up Telle on that day to get the brutal kill and great voting reocrds?

Chief Rum · 05-21-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

So you guys were lovers then?

That's the technical WW role mimicked, although, technically, we were Leader and Follower. hoops was the Leader, if he went, so did I. Didn't work the other way. If I went, he still lived.

We were surprised you guys didn't take one of us out last night.

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:26 PM

You are The Information Collector- You are great at collecting information! Each night you will have a talk with the therapist who will randomly reveal an unlisted role without realizing it. You will not learn who has that role.

hoopsguy · 05-21-2009, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

So you guys were lovers then?

Yes, but with a twist. If I died, Chief died. If he died, I lived.

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:26 PM

The Risk-Taker- You love the thrill of the risk/reward of a decision. At one point in the game as night action you may submit the order to “take a risk”. This will result in a random number of votes being added to your total the following day. The number of votes added to your total will be a random number from 1-5. You will be given the number of votes added in a PM. If you survive that lynch, you will gain the ability to survive one night kill or lynch later in the game

Telle · 05-21-2009, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

The wolves certainly dida remarkable job of hiding thier voting record. Going by that I would have strung up a whole lot of villagers. Did you guys basically offer up Telle on that day to get the brutal kill and great voting reocrds?

Hell they offered me up the day before that.. every single wolf was on me until the last-second tie happened.

hoopsguy · 05-21-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

The wolves certainly dida remarkable job of hiding thier voting record. Going by that I would have strung up a whole lot of villagers. Did you guys basically offer up Telle on that day to get the brutal kill and great voting reocrds?

The list of Clap voters that day says that is exactly what happened.

Lathum · 05-21-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

It was a fun game (especially since this is the longest I believe I have lasted as a wolf) but I don't think its a good idea to do "hidden" roles with no reveal again - too much gray area with what can and cannot be said.

yeah, I see how that could be frusterating.

I kind of saw the trouble coming from a mile away. Werewolf has 2 key aspects. Voting and roles. When you try to limit people talking about roles it removes not only creativity but something you use to gauge who you should vote for.

I honestly tried to say as little as possible about my role but it was very diffucult

Lathum · 05-21-2009, 08:27 PM

my role

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny
You are the Risk-Taker- You love the thrill of the risk/reward of a decision. At one point in the game as night action you may submit the order to “take a risk”. This will result in a random number of votes being added to your total the following day. The number of votes added to your total will be a random number from 1-5. You will be given the number of votes added in a PM. If you survive that lynch, you will gain the ability to survive one night kill or lynch later in the game.

You may not reveal your role or abilities to the group at any time.

You are a group members who wins with the group.

Danny · 05-21-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

yeah, I see how that could be frusterating.

I kind of saw the trouble coming from a mile away. Werewolf has 2 key aspects. Voting and roles. When you try to limit people talking about roles it removes not only creativity but something you use to gauge who you should vote for.

I honestly tried to say as little as possible about my role but it was very diffucult

The problem with this is all the regular werewolf roles were public roles. Everyone else was supposed to be playing as a vanilla villager, it just happened you would have extra information to work with. Instead everytime someone with a hidden role was questioned they fell back onto using their role as a vice for escaping suspicion. I made the mistake of thinking people would not do that, so in that regard the mechanic was not a good one to use.

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:29 PM

Yeah, Danny, I felt it proved too difficult. The roles were not just useless but dangerous if we never even referenced them. If someone pressed you why you were voting a certain way, and you had no other evidence what could you do, make things up? You'd basically get lynched for using your role at all.

At least one like mine that gave you information. I'm sorry, Needies, if you felt I was out of line. I wasn't sure where to draw it and assumed Danny would slap my hand if I was doing too much. By the end of hte game I had enough roles to have pegged almost everybody and there was no way I wasn't going to vote on that, and no way people weren't going to assume that had to do with a role.

Lathum · 05-21-2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

And you took a risk on the day you voted PB? That was what I was reading from you, but no votes showed up against you.

I guess the votes were hidden.

Basicly I wanted to get a run on anyone and felt PB would be a good candidate. I had a +3 added on to me.

I was hoping the wolves would come for me at night and I would maybe identify one but that never happened.

Chief Rum · 05-21-2009, 08:31 PM

Yeah, in retrospect, I think the wolves played an awesome game. Considering what they ended up going up against, it's one hell of an achievement to do what they did.

Really, I wouldn't call this a village win, but a draw, invalidated by the game getting out of hand from its original framework (and that's not to put the onus on Danny, this was just one heck of a tough game to moderate).

Autumn · 05-21-2009, 08:31 PM

That was some pretty daring wolf play then, guys. It certainly had me looking at exactly the wrong crowd for a while. I was happy to have caught you at the Eagle Fan thing though.

Abe Sargent · 05-21-2009, 08:32 PM

???

We just ended the game?

05-21-2009, 08:11 PM	#3404
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	nice! good to see us get another one of those bastards! happy dance ok off to reset my phone once this post freezes it. hooray! __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

05-21-2009, 08:16 PM	#3414
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	This game is over. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-21-2009, 08:19 PM	#3421
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	We had to be talked out of quitting two days ago. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-21-2009, 08:20 PM	#3426
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I won't be answering another question in this game. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-21-2009, 08:21 PM	#3427
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	It was a fun game (especially since this is the longest I believe I have lasted as a wolf) but I don't think its a good idea to do "hidden" roles with no reveal again - too much gray area with what can and cannot be said. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

05-21-2009, 08:09 PM	#3401
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Nice move Lathum. It almost backfired because I almost went with the idea of switching votes. But it drew out some nice info.

05-21-2009, 08:12 PM	#3405
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I think that Saldana got duped, so it's pretty clear where our votes should be going tomorrow I think.

05-21-2009, 08:13 PM	#3408
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Do you guys trust me now?

05-21-2009, 08:14 PM	#3410
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Lathum certainly has made it easier for me to finish up my list, but as you can see, Hoops, I wasn't talking out of my ass and tomorrow I'll feel very certain about everything.

05-21-2009, 08:14 PM	#3411
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Nice job, Lathum. 1. I'm very glad I did not get traction on you yesterday. Still not sure why the wolves didn't put votes there, but I don't care 2. Upon further review, I don't want the question to be answered and out there for the wolves so I'll wait until after the game

05-21-2009, 08:17 PM	#3417
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Assuming it is, it is a lesson that wolves have the best voting records.

05-21-2009, 08:17 PM	#3418
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Wow, not even going to try to keep snowing us? All right by me I guess.

05-21-2009, 08:18 PM	#3420
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, so what the hell was Lathum's role? It sounded like such a load of crap. I'm also curious what Autumn was able to do to get info.

05-21-2009, 08:19 PM	#3422
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Hoops, I was just the non-evil version of EagleFan's role.

05-21-2009, 08:20 PM	#3423
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Lathum, were you teh Risk Taker? And if so why didn't I see any votes on you?

05-21-2009, 08:20 PM	#3424
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Wolves, why didn't you take out me or Chief last night and hope you got the double?

05-21-2009, 08:24 PM	#3433
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	So you guys were lovers then? __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

05-21-2009, 08:25 PM	#3435
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	What is the "Risk Taker" role? And I don't recall the details on EF's role - Autumn/Danny, can one of you guys post your role?

05-21-2009, 08:25 PM	#3436
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	The wolves certainly dida remarkable job of hiding thier voting record. Going by that I would have strung up a whole lot of villagers. Did you guys basically offer up Telle on that day to get the brutal kill and great voting reocrds?

05-21-2009, 08:26 PM	#3438
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	You are The Information Collector- You are great at collecting information! Each night you will have a talk with the therapist who will randomly reveal an unlisted role without realizing it. You will not learn who has that role.

05-21-2009, 08:26 PM	#3440
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	The Risk-Taker- You love the thrill of the risk/reward of a decision. At one point in the game as night action you may submit the order to “take a risk”. This will result in a random number of votes being added to your total the following day. The number of votes added to your total will be a random number from 1-5. You will be given the number of votes added in a PM. If you survive that lynch, you will gain the ability to survive one night kill or lynch later in the game

05-21-2009, 08:29 PM	#3446
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Yeah, Danny, I felt it proved too difficult. The roles were not just useless but dangerous if we never even referenced them. If someone pressed you why you were voting a certain way, and you had no other evidence what could you do, make things up? You'd basically get lynched for using your role at all. At least one like mine that gave you information. I'm sorry, Needies, if you felt I was out of line. I wasn't sure where to draw it and assumed Danny would slap my hand if I was doing too much. By the end of hte game I had enough roles to have pegged almost everybody and there was no way I wasn't going to vote on that, and no way people weren't going to assume that had to do with a role.

05-21-2009, 08:31 PM	#3448
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Yeah, in retrospect, I think the wolves played an awesome game. Considering what they ended up going up against, it's one hell of an achievement to do what they did. Really, I wouldn't call this a village win, but a draw, invalidated by the game getting out of hand from its original framework (and that's not to put the onus on Danny, this was just one heck of a tough game to moderate). __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

05-21-2009, 08:31 PM	#3449
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	That was some pretty daring wolf play then, guys. It certainly had me looking at exactly the wrong crowd for a while. I was happy to have caught you at the Eagle Fan thing though.

05-21-2009, 08:32 PM	#3450
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	??? We just ended the game? __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

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