The official NCAA tournament thread - Page 7

Thomkal · 03-24-2015, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Marmel

It is nothing really specific, just the things he says and the way he carries himself really rubs me the wrong way. I know I am not alone in that. As Bug indicated, he is not very popular in the coaching fraternity.

I mean, most coaches are pricks, it is part of what makes them a basketball coach, and when they don't like somebody, that guy must be way out there.

Someone is very interested in Marshall-Alabama. He might go as he has a lot of upperclassmen on his roster-and may not be interested in a rebuild.

Alabama prepared to make big run at Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall - CBSSports.com

ColtCrazy · 03-24-2015, 11:32 AM

I've seen Kentucky play, the best team this season, and I can say that offensively they aren't good fundamentally. They simply can overpower opponents with their athleticism. I agree with gstelmack in that a lot of offenses seem to center around reckless drives to the basket. Something needs to be done to curb that. I remember watching a completely overmatched Princeton team take a Mourning/Mutombo led Georgetown team to the wire because of sound fundamentals, well-run plays, and solid passing. This year I've seen teams try to win 1 point games by standing around and eventually launching a poor percentage three or have a guard drive recklessly into the paint as 4 guys stand around and watch. Can rules fix the lack of motion offenses and fundamentals?

JonInMiddleGA · 03-24-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtCrazy

I remember watching a completely overmatched Princeton team take a Mourning/Mutombo led Georgetown team to the wire because of sound fundamentals, well-run plays, and solid passing.

Nearly 4,400 scholarships available for D1 men's basketball.

You're not going to find more than a small fraction of that who can/will do what Princeton did.

The rest have to make do with what they can find.

ColtCrazy · 03-24-2015, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Nearly 4,400 scholarships available for D1 men's basketball.

You're not going to find more than a small fraction of that who can/will do what Princeton did.

The rest have to make do with what they can find.

Then the issues go back to high school ball then, but this has trickled down from the NBA's philosophy of potential > ability and why we end up with so many good athletes in the NBA that can't shoot or dribble to save their lives.

britrock88 · 03-24-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Well he was the hot name but was never hired by any of them which makes you wonder. Plus I think he is an Adidas coach and Miss State is an Adidas school. Maybe that helped with some of the baggage I believe I read that he has.

"Adidas coach" as in an endorser? Or what?

nol · 03-24-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtCrazy

Then the issues go back to high school ball then, but this has trickled down from the NBA's philosophy of potential > ability and why we end up with so many good athletes in the NBA that can't shoot or dribble to save their lives.

What specific fundamentals are lacking? NBA players have much more defensive awareness and make rotations much more quickly than do college players. NBA players shoot twice as many three pointers as they did 20 years ago and make them at an even higher percentage (league-wide free throw percentage has been in the same 75-77 percent range that it usually is). The current NBA season is the fourth-lowest for turnover percentage in league history.

So it looks like we can rule out defense, shooting, and taking care of the basketball as fundamentals that NBA players are no longer taught. What does that leave?

tarcone · 03-24-2015, 03:07 PM

Shooting. There just are not many good shooters. When you have extremely talented players growing up and they are facing not as talented, its easy to break down a defender and get to the rim. That doesn't translate as well to college. So less kids learnt o shoot and that allows defenses to pack it in and makes it more difficult for players to get to the rim.
Causes low scoring games.

Hard to compare NBA to NCAA. When 60 kids get drafted out of 4400.

nol · 03-24-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Shooting. There just are not many good shooters. When you have extremely talented players growing up and they are facing not as talented, its easy to break down a defender and get to the rim. That doesn't translate as well to college. So less kids learnt o shoot and that allows defenses to pack it in and makes it more difficult for players to get to the rim.
Causes low scoring games.

Hard to compare NBA to NCAA. When 60 kids get drafted out of 4400.

It's not that hard to compare. Being able to shoot the ball is a pretty important skill at any level. Apparently the NCAA used to be loaded with lights-out shooters who never went on to play in the NBA or just forgot how to shoot the ball. That seems weird compared to the current situation in which players who are no longer taught the fundamentals in high school and college go on to shoot/pass/dribble/defend as well or better than NBA players of yore.

Abe Sargent · 03-26-2015, 08:43 PM

Why are we not talking about the games right now?

cartman · 03-26-2015, 08:47 PM

I think every one is playing Pillars of Eternity.

bob · 03-26-2015, 09:01 PM

Did not expect ND to be up 19 with 4:36 to go.

Abe Sargent · 03-26-2015, 10:05 PM

Le sigh

Galaxy · 03-26-2015, 10:19 PM

Awful shot selection by WVU.

corbes · 03-26-2015, 10:33 PM

We (U.N.C.) played about as well as we can play. Glad that if we went down it was because we played a better team. Credit to Wisconsin and to Kaminsky and Dekker.

Solecismic · 03-26-2015, 10:39 PM

Having watched a lot of Big Ten basketball this season, I was curious why so many people thought Wisconsin wouldn't get this far. I don't know if they can beat Kentucky, but I'd give them a better than average shot at beating anyone else.

Logan · 03-26-2015, 10:52 PM

Don't think I've ever seen one team be in the bonus before it's opponent had scored it's 3rd point.

tarcone · 03-26-2015, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Having watched a lot of Big Ten basketball this season, I was curious why so many people thought Wisconsin wouldn't get this far. I don't know if they can beat Kentucky, but I'd give them a better than average shot at beating anyone else.

B1G hatred, IMO. Wiscy is a dang good team with 2 1st round NBA players and a bunch other good players.
I really want to see a Wiscy/Kentucky game.

hoopsguy · 03-26-2015, 11:17 PM

Stainbrook is feasting against the Zona front line so far. Did not see that coming.

Solecismic · 03-26-2015, 11:29 PM

Just in case there are any Notre Dame players on this forum who feel anxious to make a guarantee about Saturday - maybe try something a little less difficult, like "I guarantee I will make at least one basket on Saturday." Of course, maybe ol' Daxter won't get there tonight, either.

MrBug708 · 03-26-2015, 11:36 PM

Arizona should still pull this out, but competent coaches will always give Miller fits

Ragone · 03-26-2015, 11:40 PM

I saw someone's random Twitter post saying something to the effect of
"Matt stainbrook is what my usual create-a-player looks like"

Arles · 03-27-2015, 12:02 AM

It's pretty amazing that Arizona has 3 free throw attempts midway through the 2nd half.

MrBug708 · 03-27-2015, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Arles

It's pretty amazing that Arizona has 3 free throw attempts midway through the 2nd half.

Not used to not getting the calls is really hurting them

Arles · 03-27-2015, 12:09 AM

If you have 26 points in the paint and 5 free throws, something doesn't add up

lungs · 03-27-2015, 12:14 AM

If anybody playing Wisconsin wants to throw down a bottle in of Gem Clear, let's get it on !

Arles · 03-27-2015, 12:15 AM

But I do agree you can't blame the refs for this. Arizona looks pretty awful tonight

Glengoyne · 03-27-2015, 12:18 AM

So that clip they keep showing of the Kentucky player drops his shoulder and drives it through the Defender's chest. That was an offensive foul right? I'm assuming so because Huggins was still on the sideline at the end of the game.

MrBug708 · 03-27-2015, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Arles

But I do agree you can't blame the refs for this. Arizona looks pretty awful tonight

If anything, Xavier is getting the bad end of the calls

Arles · 03-27-2015, 12:27 AM

I wouldn't go that far. The last call on Zeus when Speckled Big Country collapsed from exhaustion was pretty weak.

ColtCrazy · 03-27-2015, 12:47 AM

And this is the issue I have with basketball sometimes. Twice Xavier has driven to the hoop wildly hoping to draw a foul (without ever coming close to making the shot). Once they got the call. Just now they didn't. That can't be a team's best play in crunch time.

Kudos to Arizona. Poise at the end matters.

Arles · 03-27-2015, 12:48 AM

Xavier had some heart though. Much better fight than I thought it would be

ColtCrazy · 03-27-2015, 12:52 AM

Definitely fought hard. Would have been great to see them win it. Zona is good, but I think Wisconsin can take them. I'm wanting that Uk-Wisconsin matchup to happen.

INDalltheway · 03-27-2015, 01:08 AM

That was a good basketball game to watch. I don't know how there could be complaints on officiating either way. It was pretty evenly called (I would lean Zona got the better of the calls) and they let them play.

Brian Swartz · 03-27-2015, 02:53 AM

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Lathum · 03-27-2015, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Don't think I've ever seen one team be in the bonus before it's opponent had scored it's 3rd point.

was at BWs with about 8 guys and we all noticed at the same time, was like, WTF.

Lathum · 03-27-2015, 07:41 AM

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"I knew it was going to be like this," Ulis said. "We've been talking about it all day -- coming out all day and demolishing them because they were talking so much trash. Saying that we were going to be 36-1 -- we felt like that was nonsense.

"Our whole plan was to crush their spirit. [To] beat them by 50 for disrespecting us."

lol

I love that the totaly admit it was their goal to destroy them.

Logan · 03-27-2015, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

lol

I love that the totaly admit it was their goal to destroy them.

36 and won
— Devin Booker (@DevinBook) March 27, 2015

hoopsguy · 03-27-2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

If you have 26 points in the paint and 5 free throws, something doesn't add up

Just hope you are not expecting to get calls against Wisky. Those guys just about never get called for anything. It is borderline freakish how few fouls they draw relative to the way that they defend.

rowech · 03-27-2015, 10:26 PM

If Duke always gets games called like this I don't have a clue how they ever lose.

rowech · 03-27-2015, 10:37 PM

Couple of bad calls the others way now. Officials just might be incompetent instead of biased.

tarcone · 03-28-2015, 12:26 AM

Go Sparty.
Hate to say this, and it really pains me. Go Bucky. But I really dislike Bo Ryan. But I like the players.

ColtCrazy · 03-28-2015, 12:29 AM

Good win for Sparty. Izzo just is a fantastic coach. You never can seem to count his teams out in tourney time, regardless of their regular season performance.

Vince, Pt. II · 03-28-2015, 12:51 AM

Damn it. Utah over Duke was my only non-Izzo pick against chalk this late in the tourney. Sigh.

Buccaneer · 03-28-2015, 11:09 AM

Go Wisconsin and Mich State.

nol · 03-28-2015, 05:25 PM

Rick Barnes got canned.

kingfc22 · 03-28-2015, 06:08 PM

An Elite 8 game not on CBS.

Lathum · 03-28-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

An Elite 8 game not on CBS.

I noticed that also. How is that even possible.

britrock88 · 03-28-2015, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

An Elite 8 game not on CBS.

Final Four is on TBS, too...

MizzouRah · 03-28-2015, 07:27 PM

Arizona, don't fail me or my bracket!

Vince, Pt. II · 03-28-2015, 07:47 PM

If Wisconsin keeps this up from outside, I don't know how Arizona can win.

03-24-2015, 11:32 AM	#302
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	I've seen Kentucky play, the best team this season, and I can say that offensively they aren't good fundamentally. They simply can overpower opponents with their athleticism. I agree with gstelmack in that a lot of offenses seem to center around reckless drives to the basket. Something needs to be done to curb that. I remember watching a completely overmatched Princeton team take a Mourning/Mutombo led Georgetown team to the wire because of sound fundamentals, well-run plays, and solid passing. This year I've seen teams try to win 1 point games by standing around and eventually launching a poor percentage three or have a guard drive recklessly into the paint as 4 guys stand around and watch. Can rules fix the lack of motion offenses and fundamentals? __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

03-24-2015, 03:07 PM	#307
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Shooting. There just are not many good shooters. When you have extremely talented players growing up and they are facing not as talented, its easy to break down a defender and get to the rim. That doesn't translate as well to college. So less kids learnt o shoot and that allows defenses to pack it in and makes it more difficult for players to get to the rim. Causes low scoring games. Hard to compare NBA to NCAA. When 60 kids get drafted out of 4400. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

03-26-2015, 08:43 PM	#309
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Why are we not talking about the games right now? __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-26-2015, 08:47 PM	#310
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I think every one is playing Pillars of Eternity. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-26-2015, 10:05 PM	#312
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Le sigh __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-26-2015, 09:01 PM	#311
bob College Starter Join Date: Oct 2004	Did not expect ND to be up 19 with 4:36 to go.

03-26-2015, 10:19 PM	#313
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Awful shot selection by WVU.

03-26-2015, 10:33 PM	#314
corbes College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	We (U.N.C.) played about as well as we can play. Glad that if we went down it was because we played a better team. Credit to Wisconsin and to Kaminsky and Dekker.

03-26-2015, 10:39 PM	#315
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Having watched a lot of Big Ten basketball this season, I was curious why so many people thought Wisconsin wouldn't get this far. I don't know if they can beat Kentucky, but I'd give them a better than average shot at beating anyone else.

03-26-2015, 10:52 PM	#316
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Don't think I've ever seen one team be in the bonus before it's opponent had scored it's 3rd point.

03-26-2015, 11:17 PM	#318
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Stainbrook is feasting against the Zona front line so far. Did not see that coming.

03-26-2015, 11:29 PM	#319
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Just in case there are any Notre Dame players on this forum who feel anxious to make a guarantee about Saturday - maybe try something a little less difficult, like "I guarantee I will make at least one basket on Saturday." Of course, maybe ol' Daxter won't get there tonight, either.

03-26-2015, 11:36 PM	#320
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Arizona should still pull this out, but competent coaches will always give Miller fits

03-26-2015, 11:40 PM	#321
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	I saw someone's random Twitter post saying something to the effect of "Matt stainbrook is what my usual create-a-player looks like"

03-27-2015, 12:02 AM	#322
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	It's pretty amazing that Arizona has 3 free throw attempts midway through the 2nd half. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-27-2015, 12:09 AM	#324
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	If you have 26 points in the paint and 5 free throws, something doesn't add up __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 03-27-2015 at 12:15 AM.

03-27-2015, 12:14 AM	#325
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	If anybody playing Wisconsin wants to throw down a bottle in of Gem Clear, let's get it on !

03-27-2015, 12:15 AM	#326
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	But I do agree you can't blame the refs for this. Arizona looks pretty awful tonight __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-27-2015, 12:18 AM	#327
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	So that clip they keep showing of the Kentucky player drops his shoulder and drives it through the Defender's chest. That was an offensive foul right? I'm assuming so because Huggins was still on the sideline at the end of the game.

03-27-2015, 12:27 AM	#329
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	I wouldn't go that far. The last call on Zeus when Speckled Big Country collapsed from exhaustion was pretty weak. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-27-2015, 12:47 AM	#330
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	And this is the issue I have with basketball sometimes. Twice Xavier has driven to the hoop wildly hoping to draw a foul (without ever coming close to making the shot). Once they got the call. Just now they didn't. That can't be a team's best play in crunch time. Kudos to Arizona. Poise at the end matters. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

03-27-2015, 12:48 AM	#331
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Xavier had some heart though. Much better fight than I thought it would be __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-27-2015, 12:52 AM	#332
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	Definitely fought hard. Would have been great to see them win it. Zona is good, but I think Wisconsin can take them. I'm wanting that Uk-Wisconsin matchup to happen. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

03-27-2015, 01:08 AM	#333
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	That was a good basketball game to watch. I don't know how there could be complaints on officiating either way. It was pretty evenly called (I would lean Zona got the better of the calls) and they let them play.

03-27-2015, 02:53 AM	#334
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Daxter Miles? Paging Daxter Miles ... Last edited by Brian Swartz : 03-27-2015 at 02:58 AM.

03-27-2015, 10:26 PM	#339
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	If Duke always gets games called like this I don't have a clue how they ever lose.

03-27-2015, 10:37 PM	#340
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	Couple of bad calls the others way now. Officials just might be incompetent instead of biased.

03-28-2015, 12:26 AM	#341
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Go Sparty. Hate to say this, and it really pains me. Go Bucky. But I really dislike Bo Ryan. But I like the players. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

03-28-2015, 12:29 AM	#342
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	Good win for Sparty. Izzo just is a fantastic coach. You never can seem to count his teams out in tourney time, regardless of their regular season performance. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

03-28-2015, 12:51 AM	#343
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Damn it. Utah over Duke was my only non-Izzo pick against chalk this late in the tourney. Sigh.

03-28-2015, 11:09 AM	#344
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Go Wisconsin and Mich State.

03-28-2015, 05:25 PM	#345
nol Banned Join Date: Oct 2003	Rick Barnes got canned.

03-28-2015, 06:08 PM	#346
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	An Elite 8 game not on CBS. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

03-28-2015, 07:27 PM	#349
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Arizona, don't fail me or my bracket!

03-28-2015, 07:47 PM	#350
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	If Wisconsin keeps this up from outside, I don't know how Arizona can win.