Werewolf XXVIII: Mad Wizard and the Wolves (Game over Pg45)

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

No, I wasn't confused.

I feel bad for Tangle, he's a different time zone and seems to get hammered for it all the time.

Sweet. I think I'll be even more out of the loop than he weill be.

[Qwikshot]

I find it amazing that players like Blade and hoops can slip through these things.

hoops, the whole "I know I'm" wears thin to me, you are stating what seems to be the obvious but it's not...you are claim that you know you are a wolf, that's not the same as proving it.

I also find it curious that Blade and hoops voted for Tangle.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Sweet. I think I'll be even more out of the loop than he weill be.

Drink your beer wolfie...May the wolf goddess smile upon you.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by saldana

this doesnt make any sense....its clear that tangle is in wolf form if he has his tail down....and if the magic ends when the target dies, how does his body not change...the only way that makes any sense is if tangle were a real wolf, not a werewolf

A Werewolf has three forms; Wolf (most of the time) Human (when hiding amongst villagers) and Werewolf (which has the human form with the claws). you all have been locked into wolf form by the wizard.

If you look at the notes, I keep saying Wolf

[st.cronin]

So does that mean tangle was a wolf, or a henchman?

[SirFozzie]

a wolf. If he had been a non-werewolf, upon his death, he would have shifted forms into whatever he was

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

A Werewolf has three forms; Wolf (most of the time) Human (when hiding amongst villagers) and Werewolf (which has the human form with the claws). you all have been locked into wolf form by the wizard.

If you look at the notes, I keep saying Wolf

So was he a wolf, cause I'm not sure,

If it has wolf claws, wolf teeth, wolf fur, but Vin Diesel says "it's a cat!", then it's a goddamn cat!

[SirFozzie]

*smacks Qwik with an 8 iron*

[Qwikshot]

btw I am sending this link to a funny cartoon which seems exactly like our situation

Yay wolves

http://www.houseofglass.org/site/dat...k/Werewolf.jpg

[hoopsguy]

Qwik, I don't know how to "prove" I'm a wolf in this format.

I'm trying to be pretty clear in my approach to the game when I post - obviously I'm not thrilled that my vote ended up on a teammate today. But I'm willing to avoid the phrase "I know I'm a " if it is moving into pet peeve territory.

Working through my suspicions after this vote, at the moment I'm putting Blade further back on the list. I think that the henchmen would have required pretty steely nerves to wait that action out over the last hour if one of their own was on the block. So Schmidty, Tyrith, and Saldana move up my list at the moment.

The kicker in this is if one of our absentees (and throw AE in, since he wasn't around until it was too late to impact the results) is a henchman. Depending on the number of henchmen, they might have been able to avoid having a vote on Tanglewood. They won't want to cluster, and I'm assuming there are at least three of them. So that is why I think one of them would be on the leading vote getter at the end of the day.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

I find it amazing that players like Blade and hoops can slip through these things.

hoops, the whole "I know I'm" wears thin to me, you are stating what seems to be the obvious but it's not...you are claim that you know you are a wolf, that's not the same as proving it.

I also find it curious that Blade and hoops voted for Tangle.

I have a theory about hoops this game, but it has to wait until later. I'll share it when/if it becomes appropriate.

[tanglewood]

Good luck guys.

[saldana]

hoops, would you have prefered i left it a tie...no good could come from that, as i doubt that either head character would have used up their 1 time tie break. i knew i would garner some suspicions by moving onto the lynch victim, but i didnt see a better option.

[Schmidty]

Fucking A. Now, because I made a stupid joke-vote, I have a target on my back. Shit.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, probably not looking for the tie - had the option to force that myself and didn't take it.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Working through my suspicions after this vote, at the moment I'm putting Blade further back on the list. I think that the henchmen would have required pretty steely nerves to wait that action out over the last hour if one of their own was on the block. So Schmidty, Tyrith, and Saldana move up my list at the moment.

Two can play at that game. The fact that you were the first to conveniently latch onto my silly vote, makes you move up on my suspicious list.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Fucking A. Now, because I made a stupid joke-vote, I have a target on my back. Shit.

Oh c'mon. You had the first vote on a day one lynch. Any target that gives you is a very very small one. Now, if you do the same thing tomorrow......

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by path12

Oh c'mon. You had the first vote on a day one lynch. Any target that gives you is a very very small one. Now, if you do the same thing tomorrow......

hey, I don't put it past people like hoopsguy (who already did) and Blade to use any little thing to cast a negative shadow on another player.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

hey, I don't put it past people like hoopsguy (who already did) and Blade to use any little thing to cast a negative shadow on another player.

Yeah, but that's just the way they play -- they see something, prod it a little bit, and usually move on unless they get a weird response. I think that barring any strange or unusual behavior on your part (like not being paranoid and defensive -- I KID!!) they'll have a hard time getting a majority on you just for that.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

Yeah, but that's just the way they play -- they see something, prod it a little bit, and usually move on unless they get a weird response. I think that barring any strange or unusual behavior on your part (like not being paranoid and defensive -- I KID!!) they'll have a hard time getting a majority on you just for that.

Why am i being included in the whole schmidty accusation thing? i havent mentioned him one way or another all game...

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty, voting records are a significant part of the game. At this point I believe that this is the only information we have to work with in the game.

If you have another approach we should be taking to determine suspects at this moment in time, then I'm all ears.

I think there are a couple of reasons to discuss this tonight:
1.) I might be killed (or converted) during night actions
2.) I provide my insight - for better or worse - for the role players to integrate into their actions
3.) I give other wolves a bigger surface area of my actions to review in determining what part I have to play in this story

[hoopsguy]

Blade, there was Post #100 ...

Not 6 posts before yours hoops....think it bears mentioning again and again


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[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Why am i being included in the whole schmidty accusation thing? i havent mentioned him one way or another all game...

Oops -- we're talking about your old style. I didn't notice if you had said anything or not, I was just responding to what Schmidty said.

[Abe Sargent]

Maybe tangle stayed in wolf form because wolf form is the natural state for werewolves? Maybe all three states are natural and non-magical? Instead, if we had killed a henchmen, it would have turned into whatever the henchman normally is, like a pixie or something.

Of course, maybe the henchmen are also wolves only mind controlled or magical wolves or something. Maybe one henchman is a wolf naturally with the ability to speak an the other is some sort of shapeshifter. Maybe Tangle was a Thing, who knows?

I like this fantasy stuff better than Things and Lunatics, though.

-Anxiety

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Maybe tangle stayed in wolf form because wolf form is the natural state for werewolves? Maybe all three states are natural and non-magical? Instead, if we had killed a henchmen, it would have turned into whatever the henchman normally is, like a pixie or something.

Of course, maybe the henchmen are also wolves only mind controlled or magical wolves or something. Maybe one henchman is a wolf naturally with the ability to speak an the other is some sort of shapeshifter. Maybe Tangle was a Thing, who knows?

I like this fantasy stuff better than Things and Lunatics, though.

-Anxiety

It's certainly possible that tangle was a henchman with powerful magic; that's a role type that's been in other games. I think it's best not to worry about that possibility, though.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

It's certainly possible that tangle was a henchman with powerful magic; that's a role type that's been in other games. I think it's best not to worry about that possibility, though.

Ummmmm....read a little bit guys:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

a wolf. If he had been a non-werewolf, upon his death, he would have shifted forms into whatever he was

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, there was Post #100 ...

I didnt say what i felt about it, i merely pointed out a situation to answer your question...same you just did for me.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Ummmmm....read a little bit guys:

Must you be so condescending. That's it, you're on ignore.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I like this fantasy stuff better than Things and Lunatics, though.

-Anxiety

Damnit. I worked so fucking hard on that game.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Must you be so condescending. That's it, you're on ignore.

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!

[saldana]

just to let everyone know my schedule for wednesday is going to be a bit spotty as far as board access goes...i have to drive about 6 hours to montreal early in the morning (about 4 hours from now), and then i will be at the Mondial de la Biere for the bulk of the day. i'll check in when i am at my hotel, and will try and remember to stop drinking long enough to get back for the vote.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Damnit. I worked so fucking hard on that game.

There's a difference between the game mechanics and the flavor. Your mechanics were spot on. I like this flavor better though, no insult intended.


-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

I know the day is over. And it was Day 1. But I need to respond to what Anxiety said, despite the fact that no one else joined him in voting for me.

Originally Posted by Anxiety

There are several reasons why I am voting thusly. One, because being the first to jump on a new guy is a bit antagonistic for me.

Let's just be clear. This new guy abused the fact the fact that people were giving him slack, as he was new, in order to coast to a victory. His very strategy revolved around the fact that he was new and thus could be quiet. All things considered? Pretty damn smart. As such he recieves no slack from me.

Secondly, being the first to jump on anyone is a bit antagonistic for me.

Fair enough.

Thirdly, jumping on someone for what they did in a previous game (were quiet) is a bit too antagonsitic for me.

This too would be fair, despite my response to it, in terms of discouraging a certain style of play, were it not for the next line.

And fourth, it's just not in character for me to vote for anyone else

So just to be clear: "Others shouldn't think about the ways they have acted previously, but I, with a cute little smilely to go along with it, will."

Like I said it wasn't of much consequence, but I didn't want to just leave it out there. Hopefully more D1 reactions from me soon.

[SirFozzie]

Morning's a bit delayed, I'm seeking clarification of an action.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Morning's a bit delayed, I'm seeking clarification of an action.

I hope not too delayed as I have only morning availability again.

Ok some thoughts after reading over the thread. First it had it's normal flow. I was trying to find somebody who seemed to really be hopping on the bandwagon, and the closest I can get is saldana at 238, tying it up or cronin at 188 giving Blade a 3-2 lead. But even that comes up short. Frankly I think it's in the humans best interests NOT to have it revealed on Day 1 whether they voted for human or wolf. I agree voting patterns are essential in this game. There were only two people who cast a "safe" vote all day, in that there was no real reason to believe their vote would lead to a lynch: Ardent and Anxiety. While both can be justified on their own, I would love to hear some discussion today about these two as they can lay the best claim to "I knew so and so was innocent and so I cast my vote for SO and SO".

[SirFozzie]

If I don't get clarification by 11 AM EDT, I will go with my best possible interpertation.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, I like the train of thought on defending the votes that were not for one of the vote leaders.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I know the day is over. And it was Day 1. But I need to respond to what Anxiety said, despite the fact that no one else joined him in voting for me.

Let's just be clear. This new guy abused the fact the fact that people were giving him slack, as he was new, in order to coast to a victory. His very strategy revolved around the fact that he was new and thus could be quiet. All things considered? Pretty damn smart. As such he recieves no slack from me.
Fair enough.
This too would be fair, despite my response to it, in terms of discouraging a certain style of play, were it not for the next line.

So just to be clear: "Others shouldn't think about the ways they have acted previously, but I, with a cute little smilely to go along with it, will."

Like I said it wasn't of much consequence, but I didn't want to just leave it out there. Hopefully more D1 reactions from me soon.

Yeah, thew whole thing was facetious, Day One, "I have no idea who to vote for" stuff, now the real game begins.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I hope not too delayed as I have only morning availability again.

Ok some thoughts after reading over the thread. First it had it's normal flow. I was trying to find somebody who seemed to really be hopping on the bandwagon, and the closest I can get is saldana at 238, tying it up or cronin at 188 giving Blade a 3-2 lead. But even that comes up short. Frankly I think it's in the humans best interests NOT to have it revealed on Day 1 whether they voted for human or wolf. I agree voting patterns are essential in this game. There were only two people who cast a "safe" vote all day, in that there was no real reason to believe their vote would lead to a lynch: Ardent and Anxiety. While both can be justified on their own, I would love to hear some discussion today about these two as they can lay the best claim to "I knew so and so was innocent and so I cast my vote for SO and SO".

I have no problem doing that. I certainly don't know anything about anybody, especially on Day One. You even agreed with my a couple of my reasosn for voting for you. Now that I have more info, obviously, I prefer to look elsewhere. I just don't feel comfortable voting for someone, no matter what others are doing, if I don't feel that they are the antagonists. I won't vote for Blade simply because everyone else does it unless I see some reason to.

-Anxiety

[SirFozzie]

THe night passes, and in the darkest of night.. there's a huge flash of light.. and when you allinvestigate, QWIKSHOT'S body has been found smoking as if electrocuted.

He still has a snarl on his face, and despite death relaxing his muscles, it's obvious that he attempted to bite someone before being blasted.

Day 2 has begun.

Gone: Tanglewood, Qwikshot

[Abe Sargent]

Whoah.

Okay, quick question for those more experienced. Do antagonists, for lack of a better term this go around, noramlly take out a guy gunning for one of them, or gunning for someone else? In my two games, I saw it regularly used to take out people gunning for them, but I don;t know what the trend is, yet, having little experience myself.

In other words, should we take a look at the people who Qwikshot was looking at, or should we instead think that the antagonists were trying to throw us off their scent by taking out Qwikshot and sending us elsewhere?

-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

OK, trying to figure out why Qwikshot?

1.) Voted Blade yesterday, pretty early, didn't change
2.) Post #161

This should be a calm process, something will give, and we'll claw through the discussion.

maybe someone thought there was a hint there?
3.) Post #173 has some thoughts on "mage killer" - maybe they took that to indicate that Qwik was a threat?
4.) Maybe killing him to put more heat on Blade and me, since he singled us out in Post #302?

I'm guessing that the bad guys were hunting for specials here - I think that is the optimal play for them.

[Barkeep49]

Anxiety the quick answer is: Yes. Yes they take out people gunning for them and yes they take out people who hadn't in hope that people won't be able to draw a connection. Normally the baddies have a reason, whether it's to take out somebody that was suspicious of them or to take out somebody who they think had a role.

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety, different people have different ways of playing the antagonist role so it is hard to have a uniform set of rules. I'll give you an example of my thought process in "Thing"
1.) I wanted to get the seer ASAP
2.) Once the seer was revealed, I wanted to get the bodyguard ASAP and double-back for the seer
3.) Once I felt like I was too vulnerable to a seer scan I went back to get the seer

So I think that gunning for the specials makes the most sense. Other villains have taken the approach of gunning down the most active players, figuring that slowing in-game conversation is a way to create more random votes. A 3rd approach is to leave the most active players alive to point fingers at each other, while taking out the most random target you can find. This leads to questions of, "Why is Player X still alive if he isn't a villain" which can end up dominating the conversation while the real villains hide.

Lots of ways to play the bad guy role, just as there are a ton of ways to play as a simple villager. That is what makes the game fun for me.

[Barkeep49]

And to build off of what has already been said, the baddies need not be consistent in the reasons they kill somebody.

[hoopsguy]

At this point, I'm hoping that someone has meaningful information to share from last night to help with the voting process. If that doesn't materialize then I'm probably going to head down the path I had outlined last night and look at the group who voted for Tanglewood.

[Barkeep49]

Still around for a bit but I wanted to get things started while I'm still here:

Vote Ardent
Less to do with the quiet aspect, as I can vouch for his being stranded in St Louis, but more with the pointlessness of his vote when he votes so late in the cycle.

[Qwikshot]

It was a pleasure...I know when I talk I'm always dead meat.

[Barkeep49]

Well I'm out for the day. Will be much more involved going forward especially next couple of days as I have off.

[st.cronin]

VOTE HOOPSGUY

He's bad luck, fellas.