Werewolf XXXI: House of Frankenstein (Game Over)

[Swaggs]

By the way, I realize I have made two long posts on this and don't mean to make too big of a deal about it. I just think it is something that, on a first day when no other info is available, is a justifiable reason to vote for someone.

I realize that CR is still a fairly new player and he will get a clean slate from me tomorrow.

[Abe Sargent]

I bet a veteran will get killed tonight. That'd be my wolf strategy. Kill off vets quickly.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I bet a veteran will get killed tonight. That'd be my wolf strategy. Kill off vets quickly.

im not a vet

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

In a few days, voting patterns may become important if we can manage to group some of the wolves together in close votes and when people do not vote, they get a "pass" from that particular form of evidence.

Exactly why a tie leading up to the cut off can have value.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

im not a vet

Me neither, so dont worry about killing me

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Exactly why a tie leading up to the cut off can have value.

Yes, but it can also be horrendous. Since yesterday was 2 villagers(the last 2, myself and the new guy), most likely the wolves sat back and let it play out. Quite likely, they either were as far from it as possible, or tried to use it to kill a vet(like your vote on me). If i was a wolf, and saw two villagers up on the block, i would cast a vote on someone random and let the other villagers fight it out. It would buy you 3 days or so.

Now, if one is a wolf in the tie, then it becomes useful. But your assuming way too much if you ask me.


NOTE: Im quite worried that if the masons have to break a tie, 1 or all of them will be revealed, severely hindering our chances of victory. Having that built in circle of trust, regardless of the fact im not in it, is huge. This early in the game, we need that group to stay secret and stable, because if they can manage to keep the group alive long enough it could be a major major play for us in end game for them to reveal.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

who else didnt vote besides Rummy?

The first dead guy...lol

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Er, I know I screwed up and posted a correction in post 254:



Damn that no edit rule!

ya didn't catch it until I got that that post...it's all good

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I will keep it to myself for now because I guess I really do not know if they are wolves are not. My vote tommorow will reveal one. This really is more interesting that I thought it would be.

And its going to be much more interesting for you now, as you just painted a big target on your back. Either the wolves are afraid of you, and will kill you if they think your on to them, or your totally wrong and might single-handidly cost us the game

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Really, if you were pretty sure someone was a villager but generally not very helpful in your eyes, you would rather take them than a shot at a wolf?

On day one, taking the person who has said nothing over a random shot is a move i will almost always make. A random shot it as likely to hit the seer as a wolf, though to be fair i think our lynchee had the same shot as everyone at being bad.

So to answer your question, with no leads on day 1 yes. After today, we all have our own supposed leads and suspects, so i wouldnt reccomend that after today. To be honest, anyone but me on day one is a good strategy on day one

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

NOTE: Im quite worried that if the masons have to break a tie, 1 or all of them will be revealed, severely hindering our chances of victory. Having that built in circle of trust, regardless of the fact im not in it, is huge. This early in the game, we need that group to stay secret and stable, because if they can manage to keep the group alive long enough it could be a major major play for us in end game for them to reveal.

I actually was going to argue more against gramm's actions today with what you posted in mind. However I went back and reread the rules and it says this:

Originally Posted by Rules

Masons - have seen each other at mason meetings, and know they are not guilty of any crimes. Tie votes will be broken by the masons, without revealing their identity. No pm capabilities, and if they reveal that they are a mason, they will die a horrible death.

Looks like if they break a tie, it won't tell us who did it. Thats why I didn't press Gramm anymore. At first I was thinking it was a horrible thing for a villager to try to do.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

it was a strategy used effectively for a couple days by Bek several games ago...he said he was too sick to be online with a stomach virus, so we let him skate until about day 3

Just to point out, as bek is one of my best friends in real life, he really did have a stomach flu, and his router broke. The only time he posted was when he was at my house. Clear that up right now, it was not a strategy, he only used 1 of his 2 night scans due to his illness. He was not trying a ploy, he was too sick to play. He spent both night sleeping on the bathroom floor he was so sick.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I actually was going to argue more against gramm's actions today with what you posted in mind. However I went back and reread the rules and it says this:



Looks like if they break a tie, it won't tell us who did it. Thats why I didn't press Gramm anymore. At first I was thinking it was a horrible thing for a villager to try to do.

And they cant reveal...great...well i guess they could say i trust these people totally, and just not say mason.

Ive got a few ideas, but nothing concrete. Lets hope tomorrow nets better results...im off to go post whore some more comments here

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

The wolves are going to kill one of us villagers. And of course Frank could be activated causing another kill.

Who the hell is frank??

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

True, that is possible and I did not really think about that. Why the pile on after he was the champion?

Most likely to ensure he died and more people like you didnt keep trying to tie it up. Saldana has seemed like he thought it was tied.

Note as well, i was around at the deadline to save myself if needed, so if i was a wolf i wouldnt have needed saldana and sndvls to swap. I would have told them to wait until i was desperate

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Who the hell is frank??

Frankenstein.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Who the hell is frank??

Frankenstein, the monster

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

and when one person in the tie is blade, who has a proven value, and the other is someone that hasnt been on the board for 3 days and has no known value, its a pretty easy choice on who to keep.

Why couldnt you have had this mentality last game when it was you and i on the block on day 1

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

This game isn't much fun if one doesn't understand wtf is going on.

Oh well. I'll just keep voting until I'm dead.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Who the hell is frank??

From post One

Dr. Reimann - Doctor Reimann has unleashed the pack of wolves and the vampire upon your village. He does not know any player's role at the start of the game, but each night he may test one player's blood, to determine what species that player is. Also, once in the game he can change the result of the vote without revealing his identity by swapping out one player for another. Finally, after night 2, he can summon the Frankenstein monster once to kill whomever he wishes. Counts as a human in determining victory.

Looks like he has to wait until after night 2. So, no Franks tonight.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

This game isn't much fun if one doesn't understand wtf is going on.

Oh well. I'll just keep voting until I'm dead.

What dont ya get, im happy to walk you through it. If not, Barkeep49 and Hoopsguy, arguably two of the best WW players in FOFC, are both sitting out this game and i believe have offered to help any new players(i know barkeep has, not sure on hoops). In my opinion, you could not have 2 better helpers, so i strongly suggest shooting barkeep a PM.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

From post One

Dr. Reimann - Doctor Reimann has unleashed the pack of wolves and the vampire upon your village. He does not know any player's role at the start of the game, but each night he may test one player's blood, to determine what species that player is. Also, once in the game he can change the result of the vote without revealing his identity by swapping out one player for another. Finally, after night 2, he can summon the Frankenstein monster once to kill whomever he wishes. Counts as a human in determining victory.

Looks like he has to wait until after night 2. So, no Franks tonight.

So at most 2 kills tonight, 1 from the wolves and possibly one from drac.

[Grammaticus]

In this one, are all roles revealed upon death?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

So at most 2 kills tonight, 1 from the wolves and possibly one from drac.

That is what it looks like.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

This game isn't much fun if one doesn't understand wtf is going on.

Oh well. I'll just keep voting until I'm dead.

You and me both sistah, my head is spinning trying to figure all this out.

[bulletsponge]

time to hit the hay *crosses fingers hoping i dont wake up dead*

[bulletsponge]

well ladies not much has happened yet, just follow the leaders and read the posts. i was very lost my first day of WW and slowly figured out what was happening

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

well ladies not much has happened yet, just follow the leaders and read the posts. i was very lost my first day of WW and slowly figured out what was happening

Thanks for saying that bulletsponge, I thought it was just me. I'll continue reading and figure out how this thing goes down.

[Lorena]

dola,

it seems to be a lot more involved than I originally thought. Pretty interesting to see how people see read the same post differently.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

This game isn't much fun if one doesn't understand wtf is going on.

Oh well. I'll just keep voting until I'm dead.

It would be awseome if Farrah was the evil mastermind, playing aloof...

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by molson

It would be awseome if Farrah was the evil mastermind, playing aloof...

hmmm

interesting theory.

i'm in the same boat as her though, and i think this game will be made tougher as all of us newbs try to catch on to how the game is played and learn to think in the mindset of the game may make some of us more quiet and others way more vocal.

i know myself i will probably just mull on things and not post a zillion times, but who's to say that someone else claiming to do that isn't a WW trying to skate. makes detection doubly difficult

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

hmmm

interesting theory.

i'm in the same boat as her though, and i think this game will be made tougher as all of us newbs try to catch on to how the game is played and learn to think in the mindset of the game may make some of us more quiet and others way more vocal.

i know myself i will probably just mull on things and not post a zillion times, but who's to say that someone else claiming to do that isn't a WW trying to skate. makes detection doubly difficult

Welcome to WW, its all a game of conspiracy theories in your head and wondering who setting you up for a fall

[Chief Rum]

lol at Swaggs...

Okay, I guess I deserved that. You guys read too much into silence, though. At least I told you I wasn't going to be in all day.

I didn't vote because I don't believe it is a good strategy for us to shoot randomly to kill wolves. I did not want my first vote to contribute to that. That was an active decision I made, not because I am new to the game.

If I felt strongly enough before leaving for work, I certainly would have voted, and I doubt I will have such little information again for the rest of this game. So be sure that votes will be coming from me (including tomorrow morning, before I again leave for an all day workfest).

I'm disappointed in the decision to lynch nodadrop because his inactivity means he is not a wolf (which was proven true). It may increase participation by losing a guy who isn't doing much, but it also is a pointless kill that might better be used trying to find a wolf. Oh well...

Of course, what do we have to prove who is a wolf at this point? My guess is tomorrow the real game will begin.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Originally Posted by molson

It would be awseome if Farrah was the evil mastermind, playing aloof...

mmmwwwwwwwwwhahahahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Ok seriously, no. I'm just trying to keep up with the thread and not get eaten by a werewolf or beaten by my fellow villagers.

[hoopsguy]

I'm happy to help a new WW player try to get acclimated to the game if they want to PM me as long as Cronin is OK with me doing this. He did talk to me prior to the game about the rules, but
1.) this is a public roles game (I don't know anything that isn't in the rules)
2.) it sounds like a couple of things changed between our conversation and 20+ people signing up for the game

So as long as Cronin doesn't put the kibosh on it, I'm happy to talk via PM.

[Chief Rum]

All right, I am out for the day again, both jobs. Oh joy (rest of the week, I should be able to do some late posting, and heavy night posting).

But just for you Swaggs...

Vote Swaggs

[Lathum]

Just reading up on a few things.

Farah, Dodgerchick and all other new players- Try not to get to confused day one, once we get into the flow it will all make sense, adnd to be honest gram has created WAY more activity then usuall on day one. For better or for worse.

Chiefrum- Not voting is never a good strategy and keeping a non-active player around is just as bad. The wolves will leave that person alone so sooner or later they have to go. May as well be early on. YOu also may want to wait to vote untill night actions are posted.

[Lathum]

dola-
I would be shocked to see 2 kills, It wouldn't make sense for Dracula to use his only night kill so early in the game

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Chiefrum- Not voting is never a good strategy and keeping a non-active player around is just as bad. The wolves will leave that person alone so sooner or later they have to go. May as well be early on. YOu also may want to wait to vote untill night actions are posted.

I don't have a choice. I'm out the door right now with no FOFC access. I have to vote before night actions are posted in this one.

[molson]

So I'd never clicked on one of these crazy Werewolf threads until I joined up with this one, and I found myself kind of curious how these things play out. So last night, I started reading Werewolf II from last summer, and damn it, I read all friggen 28 pages straight. It was better entertainment than the last 3 movies I've seen. I was oddly facinating how that played out - I think Lathum and Swaggs are resident alumni from that game.

I think the villagers in this version have an uphill climb with out any "seerers" or "bodyguards". The Masons can be utlized, but it's a little tricky.

[st.cronin]

You awake at dawn, and gather in the town square - one of you is missing! A search of the homes turns up saldana, savagely murdered by wolves. He was a simple villager.

Day 2 has begun


I have no issue with anybody getting advice from hoops or any other players out of game, as long as it is generic werewolf advice, and not game specific.

[Lathum]

looks like the go for the veteren's strategy has begun

[saldana]

awwwwww shit.

[saldana]

blade - i wasnt trying to take any kind of IRL shot at bek about the stomach virus thing....i acutally asked him if he was really sick when the game was over and he gave me a wink-wink kind of answer, and never said an actual yes or no, thats why i thought it may have been a cover/strategy. no offense intended.

i will now resume being dead(i hate dying alant style)

[molson]

Originally Posted by Lathum

looks like the go for the veteren's strategy has begun

Probably. But I still think there's it's likely that there's one veteran who's a wolf. If that's true, that wolf is probably calling the shots. I could see him trying to make the vets seem like victims in this game, and make us noobs reluctant to vote for one.

[Lathum]

I have a theory, it may not be much but since day 2 is almost as much a crapshoot as day one I'll give it a try.

I think there is something to be said with the "go for the veteren" strategy. Now I want to clarify my point by saying I don't think anyone is better then anyone else because they have more games under their belts but there is something to be said for expierience.

I think Blade is a wolf. He voted for me early and I know I am a villager. Once there was no support for me he decided to kill Saldana at night, a very solid player. That 2 of the more experienced players in the game.

It would have been to obvious for Blade to kill me last night since alot of people know we have a history, so instead he killed Saldana ( who also voted for me early on, which can make it look like I have a grudge, thus casting suspiscon on me)

If I was a wolf I would want Blade out ASAP since he is such a solid player so why is he still alive. BECAUSE HE IS A WOLF.

that being said

VOTE BLADE

my vote is subject to change but someone needs to get the discussion going. And I hope none of the new players take offese to this argument, it is in no way meant to say you aren't all solid players.

[Lathum]

dola- Molson just added to my point

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

OT - just a random suggestion...and I know I'm going to regret this later...

But someone needs to compile a Werewolf manual thread.

[hoopsguy]

Farrah, the trick with putting together a Werewolf manual is that the game is driven by both the roles and the players, with the moderator having some say based on his narration. So it is pretty challenging to put something together that covers the players for this board.

But, this might be a useful starting point in terms of understanding the nature of the game and some standard roles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(game)

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

OT - just a random suggestion...and I know I'm going to regret this later...

But someone needs to compile a Werewolf manual thread.

and now that i am dead, i would be happy to help anyone who needs it just as hoops offered earlier, as long as cronin doesnt mind.