Typical Lebron choke at the buzzer - Page 7

RedKingGold · 06-02-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Not really a fair comparison. I think a more fair one would be to switch conferences

What I was referring is to how would LeBron do with Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, etc.

While there's not that much talent, there is more on the Laker's squad than is currently on the Cavs squad. Although the conference would be much tougher, I still think LeBron would have gotten this year's Laker team to the playoffs and probably won a series or two.

MrBug708 · 06-02-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

What I was referring is to how would LeBron do with Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, etc.

While there's not that much talent, there is more on the Laker's squad than is currently on the Cavs squad. Although the conference would be much tougher, I still think LeBron would have gotten this year's Laker team to the playoffs and probably won a series or two.

Well, the Lakers probably wasn't so much chemistry is the fact that they didnt play defense this year moreso then anything. The Suns were an awful matchup for them.

*shrugs*

While I like Kobe, I wouldnt mind seeing a new look Lakers. But Kobe still remains the biggest draw in the NBA and the Lakers would be foolish to trade him from just a monetary standpoint. People aren;t going to pay 10K for courtside seats to see a Lamar led Lakers team sadly

jbergey22 · 06-02-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

What I was referring is to how would LeBron do with Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, etc.

While there's not that much talent, there is more on the Laker's squad than is currently on the Cavs squad. Although the conference would be much tougher, I still think LeBron would have gotten this year's Laker team to the playoffs and probably won a series or two.

In my opinion at their stages in their careers Kobe is a better player. Long term I think LeBron surpasses him though. Kobe has a more consistant shot, better free throw shooter, better defense and thier ability to drive is equal in my opinion. LeBron has improved his jumper since he has been in the league and would not be surprised if he eventually becomes as good of a shooter than Kobe and a better defender than Kobe.

stevew · 06-02-2007, 07:21 PM

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I would say he has surpassed McGrady aleady. McGrady has yet to make it out of the first round of the playoffs while Wade as a NBA Finals MVP under his belt.

Tmac has 11 career playoff wins.

GoDukes · 06-02-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

In my opinion at their stages in their careers Kobe is a better player. Long term I think LeBron surpasses him though. Kobe has a more consistant shot, better free throw shooter, better defense and thier ability to drive is equal in my opinion. LeBron has improved his jumper since he has been in the league and would not be surprised if he eventually becomes as good of a shooter than Kobe and a better defender than Kobe.

As a Laker fan, I pretty much agree. I think Kobe is the better player and accomplished more at this point - but I think Lebron has the potential to be the best. Ever.

mauchow · 06-02-2007, 11:19 PM

I think we should change this thread to "Rasheed Wallace Blows is completely for his team."

Atocep · 06-02-2007, 11:41 PM

This should be a historic thread.

RedKingGold · 06-02-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by amdaily

Need I say more? The man is as non-clutch as they come. With the Cavs or not, he'll never be on a championship team.

Game, set, match.

jbergey22 · 06-03-2007, 12:07 AM

How soon after they dont say a word.

Leonidas · 06-03-2007, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

This should be a historic thread.

Nah. Wait for the Cavs to lose their first game to San Anton then Amdailey can come back and talk about what a loser he is again.

Senator · 06-03-2007, 11:01 AM

I still feel this was a thread started by a 14 year old hoping to produce cosmic reverse psychology.

Passacaglia · 06-03-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

I was at a bar on Thursday night, and all anyone could talk about was LeBron's performance. Pretty awesome when a player from two time zones away dominates conversation.

Psst....three time zones away.

Chief Rum · 06-03-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

What I was referring is to how would LeBron do with Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, etc.

While there's not that much talent, there is more on the Laker's squad than is currently on the Cavs squad. Although the conference would be much tougher, I still think LeBron would have gotten this year's Laker team to the playoffs and probably won a series or two.

Not saying one way or another on the Kobe vs LeBron argument, but on this supporting cast vs supporting cast argument, is this some sort of consensus? Because I'm not sure I agree.

Yes, Lamar Odom might be the best player on both teams not named LeBron or Kobe, but I'm not just talking talent here. I'm also talking injury history and consistency and actual production.

Odom is out a third of every season, it seems, and at least a third of the games he is here, he doiesn't show up or defers to Kobe. After that, I'm not sure you could match up three through fifteen Lakers versus Cavs and get a favorable matchup for the Lakers (well, okay, down arounds nine, the difference is probably minimal).

I would take Ilgauskas, Varejao, Gooden, Sasha (Cleveland's), Boobie, Marshall, Snow, and even Hopalong Hughes well before I would take Odom, Kwame, Luke "Not Bill" Walton, Smush "Ole" Parker, Sasha (LA's), Evans, Turiaf and Farmar.

All that said, damn, that Lebron is good.

Chief Rum · 06-03-2007, 04:49 PM

dola, I would take them as a group over th eother group, I mean. Of course I wouldn't take Hughes over Odom or Walton (for example).

Atocep · 06-03-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Not saying one way or another on the Kobe vs LeBron argument, but on this supporting cast vs supporting cast argument, is this some sort of consensus? Because I'm not sure I agree.

Yes, Lamar Odom might be the best player on both teams not named LeBron or Kobe, but I'm not just talking talent here. I'm also talking injury history and consistency and actual production.

Odom is out a third of every season, it seems, and at least a third of the games he is here, he doiesn't show up or defers to Kobe. After that, I'm not sure you could match up three through fifteen Lakers versus Cavs and get a favorable matchup for the Lakers (well, okay, down arounds nine, the difference is probably minimal).

I would take Ilgauskas, Varejao, Gooden, Sasha (Cleveland's), Boobie, Marshall, Snow, and even Hopalong Hughes well before I would take Odom, Kwame, Luke "Not Bill" Walton, Smush "Ole" Parker, Sasha (LA's), Evans, Turiaf and Farmar.

All that said, damn, that Lebron is good.

I generally agree here. I think the supporting casts are much closer than people think.

One thing that makes this nearly impossible to judge, apart from switching conferences, is the disparity in coaching for these two teams. No matter what anyone's opinion is of Phil Jackson, no one can say he's nothing less than an exceptional coach in comparison to Mike Brown. It'd be interesting to see how the Cavs and Lebron would do with even an average coach.

MrBug708 · 06-03-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

I generally agree here. I think the supporting casts are much closer than people think.

One thing that makes this nearly impossible to judge, apart from switching conferences, is the disparity in coaching for these two teams. No matter what anyone's opinion is of Phil Jackson, no one can say he's nothing less than an exceptional coach in comparison to Mike Brown. It'd be interesting to see how the Cavs and Lebron would do with even an average coach.

Overall? Yes. But he needs a highly motivated team to have much success and outside of Kobe and Turiaf, this team didn't care.

Chief Rum · 06-03-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Overall? Yes. But he needs a highly motivated team to have much success and outside of Kobe and Turiaf, this team didn't care.

But isn't motivation primarily his responsibility? Sure, players making millions shouldn't need to be motivated, but they do need it just the same.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-03-2007, 07:30 PM

Either his responsibility, or the star player's responsibility. Jordan motivated his teammates. LeBron seems to do this as well.

Leonidas · 06-04-2007, 11:01 AM

Interesting piece comparing Kobe to LeBron. I think her bottom line says it all, "People have to play with Bryant; they want to play with James.'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060301379.html

stevew · 01-31-2008, 12:35 AM

Anybody watch the crazy shit tonight? I wish LeBron would get this amped when he's not on ESPN. Sick performance in the 4th, including a game winner. Down 11 with 4 minutes left, Bron makes 3 straight 3s. McMillan might be the coach of the year, but why the hell he doesn't have Pryz in there at the end. Bron got in for the layup unchallenged.

Groundhog · 01-31-2008, 12:40 AM

I was listening to the game via the web, but stopped during the 3rd Q. Maybe I shouldn't have.

I think it's replayed on TV tonight however.

stevew · 01-31-2008, 12:51 AM

My DVR cut it off with 2 minutes left, so don't feel bad.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-31-2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

McMillan might be the coach of the year, but why the hell he doesn't have Pryz in there at the end. Bron got in for the layup unchallenged.

If by "unchallenged" you mean "forced to travel in order to make it"...

Groundhog · 01-31-2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

If by "unchallenged" you mean "forced to travel in order to make it"...

Just watched the replay a few times on NBA.com. I disagree. It was definitely awkward because of the contact right when he picks up his dribble, but I count two steps.

stevew · 01-31-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

If by "unchallenged" you mean "forced to travel in order to make it"...

I was actually thinking "fouled in the act of shooting." But they aren't going to call traveling or a foul that late in the game.

Lathum · 01-31-2008, 04:05 PM

How come it's funny and ammusing when LaBron jaws with people in the crowd but when Philip Rivers does it he's a punk?

Logan · 01-31-2008, 04:23 PM

Quit playing the race card.

Karlifornia · 01-31-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

How come it's funny and ammusing when LaBron jaws with people in the crowd but when Philip Rivers does it he's a punk?

I think it's funny when anyone does it.

Groundhog · 01-31-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

I think it's funny when anyone does it.

Ditto.

Lathum · 01-31-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Quit playing the race card.

you don't seriously think I was doing that, do you?

INDalltheway · 01-31-2008, 11:36 PM

I didn't see LeBron do it, but it was all the way Rivers was doing it. I'm sure most of what LeBron was doing was in good fun. Phillip Rivers was going nuts while he sat on the sideline. Plus LeBron has earned the right to do a little trash talking. What can you really say to the guy? He took a team to the finals by himself.

Groundhog · 01-31-2008, 11:50 PM

And today we are shown once again what we all have long known; the LeBron-less Cavs are a piece of poop.

finkenst · 01-31-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

I didn't see LeBron do it, but it was all the way Rivers was doing it. I'm sure most of what LeBron was doing was in good fun. Phillip Rivers was going nuts while he sat on the sideline. Plus LeBron has earned the right to do a little trash talking. What can you really say to the guy? He took a team to the finals by himself.

that's not true....

he had 11 stiffs helping him.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-01-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Just watched the replay a few times on NBA.com. I disagree. It was definitely awkward because of the contact right when he picks up his dribble, but I count two steps.

Unless the de jure travel rule in the NBA is different from any other level of basketball, it's not about the number of steps, it's about resetting your pivot foot, and there is not a doubt in my mind that he did just that. I slow-motioned it on my DVR to make sure.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-01-2008, 12:39 PM

Dola, I should be clear that while I believe James's make was a travel by the letter of the rules, it's also something that is standard to allow for most players, and certainly the star player on the last play of the game. It's allowed by the de facto NBA rule of travelling.

Brian Swartz · 02-01-2008, 02:07 PM

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that's not true....

he had 11 stiffs helping him.

Defense and rebounding will get you a long way in the playoffs, particularly when you have someone like LeBron to get you scores at the end of a game. The Cavs did both of those well, particularly rebounding. A far cry from 11 stiffs. Gibson's shooting at important points helped him a lot as well.

Lathum · 02-01-2008, 02:52 PM

Being in the East doesn't hurt either

gstelmack · 02-01-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Dola, I should be clear that while I believe James's make was a travel by the letter of the rules, it's also something that is standard to allow for most players, and certainly the star player on the last play of the game. It's allowed by the de facto NBA rule of travelling.

Along with "palming".

larrymcg421 · 05-23-2009, 12:09 AM

This thread becomes more and more amusing as time goes on....

kcchief19 · 05-23-2009, 12:26 AM

This belongs in the Hall of Fame alongside WrongWay's advice that we put all of our money Elmo Knows Your Name dolls.

RedKingGold · 05-23-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I would take Ilgauskas, Varejao, Gooden, Sasha (Cleveland's), Boobie, Marshall, Snow, and even Hopalong Hughes well before I would take Odom, Kwame, Luke "Not Bill" Walton, Smush "Ole" Parker, Sasha (LA's), Evans, Turiaf and Farmar.

Um....deal?

Noop · 05-23-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Okay one I wasn't talking about titles. Two Kobe has one his titles with Shaq and as proven by the Heats recent title I am willing to bet Shaq was the major reason why LA was so dominate. Also name me one high player who has one a NBA championship since the 90's outside of Kobe who had Shaq?

I like LeBron and I happen to think he is a great player but playing in march madness provides unreal pressure. Imagine if the NBA went to a NCAA formula where there was no series just one game either win or lose.

Disgusted by the spelling and grammar. I admit I was wrong.

stevew · 03-04-2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

This belongs in the Hall of Fame alongside WrongWay's advice that we put all of our money Elmo Knows Your Name dolls.

I dunno. I think the tide is changing.

stevew · 03-04-2011, 12:31 AM

The post game press conferences were priceless tonight btw. They have such awful body language.

Groundhog · 03-04-2011, 12:40 AM

I think it's pretty simple. All the Heat need to win is to have LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all have monster games on the same night. Easy.

bulletsponge · 03-06-2011, 03:34 PM

so.....

Neon_Chaos · 03-07-2011, 02:11 AM

Hahahahaha.

larrymcg421 · 06-12-2011, 11:07 PM

amdaily was right. We were wrong. There, I said it.

Rizon · 06-12-2011, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

This thread becomes more and more amusing as time goes on....

+1

larrymcg421 · 06-12-2011, 11:14 PM

Yeah, I'm being semi-humorous with that comment, because some of the comments he made were rightly called out for being ridiculous. But I'm starting to think there is something to the idea that LeBron just doesn't have that drive to be a champion.

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Anybody watch the crazy shit tonight? I wish LeBron would get this amped when he's not on ESPN. Sick performance in the 4th, including a game winner. Down 11 with 4 minutes left, Bron makes 3 straight 3s. McMillan might be the coach of the year, but why the hell he doesn't have Pryz in there at the end. Bron got in for the layup unchallenged.

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