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Old 03-09-2005, 02:51 PM   #301
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Could it be that he just doesn't make a good impression during interviews? That no matter what kind of coach he is, he just doesn't convey the type of presence and vision for a franchise that a team is looking for? There are plenty of assistants out there who always come up short, and I'm sure it's the things we don't see that cost them the job. Not to mention, it's been quite a while since he was a head coach, so that argument loses steam the longer he's out.

I mean, if a guy like Dennis Green can get another chance - and I firmly believe the only reason it took him so long is because of the freak/side show he was in Minnesota - then race can't be a factor. Maybe it is, but more likely it's something not so obvious, or hidden from the public, that has cost him that second chance.
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Old 03-09-2005, 03:19 PM   #302
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Uhhh, Doug Pederson?

Why? His 12/19 TD to INT ratio or his 62.3 rating and 17 games started all at least five years ago?

By comparison, Fiedler is 68/66 and 76.9 with 60 games started.

Garcia is 123/65 and and 87.2 81 games

I know which ones I'd rather have as a backup.
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Old 03-09-2005, 03:21 PM   #303
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I'm sick of all the Shell talk. He was ok but no more or less qualified than the next shmoe.

Sometimes franchises want to go with the college guy or personal relationships. Shell is doing just fine in the league office. I haven't seen a full court press from this guy so who knows if he even wants to coach now.
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Old 03-09-2005, 03:34 PM   #304
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Why? His 12/19 TD to INT ratio or his 62.3 rating and 17 games started all at least five years ago?

By comparison, Fiedler is 68/66 and 76.9 with 60 games started.

Garcia is 123/65 and and 87.2 81 games

I know which ones I'd rather have as a backup.
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Old 03-09-2005, 03:37 PM   #305
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The NFL should just stop giving any of them tickets.
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Old 03-09-2005, 03:39 PM   #306
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The NFL should just stop giving any of them tickets.

Umm... was this supposed to be in the Tice ticket scandal thread?
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Old 03-09-2005, 03:41 PM   #307
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Umm... was this supposed to be in the Tice ticket scandal thread?


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Old 03-09-2005, 03:44 PM   #308
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"Low Sarcasm Alert!"

Yeah I guessed I missed that.

I really could care less about Garcia or Fiedler. I made my argument based on the "that guy is a bum" mentality that gets thrown on certain QB's after some failure as a starter. But really, what do people want? We're talking about backups.

Also, there seems to be a love affair in some circles with Pederson when in reality, he hasn't done much of anything. Of course, playing the last five years behind one of the most durable starting QB's in history hasn't given him much of a chance.
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Old 03-09-2005, 05:29 PM   #309
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No big signings today (yet).

LB Donnie Spragen (Broncos) signs a 2 year deal with the Dolphins.

Falcons sign LB Ike Reese (Eagles).

Cardinals re-sign DE Peppi Zellner to a 2 year deal and they have released QB Shaun King.

Chargers sign WR Keenan McCardell to a 2 year extension.

Niners coach Mike Nolan says Barlow is their man.

The Colts have told Drew Rosenhaus that they are not looking to sign Edgerin James to a long term deal and they are willing to trade him.
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Old 03-09-2005, 06:06 PM   #310
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The Lions had Brad Johnson, Corey Bradford, and Rick Demulling in town today. All left without signing contracts. They said that Johnson is off to workout for Chicago, while Demulling will have an offer on the table from Baltimore.
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Old 03-09-2005, 10:05 PM   #311
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I hate playing the race card, but this is what I'm talking about. It's bloody ridiculous. You've got teams like the 'Niners and Vikings hiring established deadbeats as head coaches. The Raiders hired Norv Turner. The Falcons and Jags hired unproven assistants (yes, they've worked out ok... but still). Re-treads like Schottenheimer get chances all the time.

But Art Shell can't get a job.

If I made a list of the white guys who've been hired since Art Shell's been fired, it'd be sick.

It's fucked up.

Speaking of playing the race cards, I'm guessing that making racist remarks about your own players isn't quickly forgotten by those around the league.

That's one guess as to why he doesn't have a job.
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Old 03-09-2005, 10:07 PM   #312
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Speaking of playing the race cards, I'm guessing that making racist remarks about your own players isn't quickly forgotten by those around the league.

That's one guess as to why he doesn't have a job.

You know, if I had a dollar for all the dumb shit Bill Parcells or Jim Mora ever said, I'd be bloody rich.

Christ, Buddy Ryan punched somebody and got hired as a head coach the next season.
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Old 03-09-2005, 10:08 PM   #313
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Since its obviousy equality that is the main focus of hiring more black coaches I think someone should spearhead the "more white RBs" movement. Its only fair.
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Old 03-09-2005, 10:12 PM   #314
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How can you trash Schottenheimer?

He is 60 games over .500 in his career and has only finished under .500 twice in 19 years.
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Old 03-09-2005, 11:34 PM   #315
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You know, if I had a dollar for all the dumb shit Bill Parcells or Jim Mora ever said, I'd be bloody rich.

Christ, Buddy Ryan punched somebody and got hired as a head coach the next season.

Cause saying something dumb to punching a fellow assistant who is not on team the next year (Jeff Fischer was that 'somebody') is the same as making racist remarks about your players? Sorry, but actively engaging in clubhouse disruptive activity puts you on the bottom rung of coaches to be hired.
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Old 03-09-2005, 11:56 PM   #316
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Cause saying something dumb to punching a fellow assistant who is not on team the next year (Jeff Fischer was that 'somebody') is the same as making racist remarks about your players? Sorry, but actively engaging in clubhouse disruptive activity puts you on the bottom rung of coaches to be hired.

And yet, somehow, Dusty Baker remains employed...
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:00 AM   #317
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Itula Mili re-signs with the Seahawks.

The Browns are going to release Courtney Brown within the next week.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:36 AM   #318
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Cause saying something dumb to punching a fellow assistant who is not on team the next year (Jeff Fischer was that 'somebody') is the same as making racist remarks about your players? Sorry, but actively engaging in clubhouse disruptive activity puts you on the bottom rung of coaches to be hired.

I'm pretty sure it was Kevin Gilbride who was that somebody who Ryan punched.

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Old 03-10-2005, 08:43 AM   #319
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I'm pretty sure it was Kevin Gilbride who was that somebody who Ryan punched.

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It was Gilbride. And I don't think it immediately preceeded his hiring as a head coach either. Could be wrong.
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Old 03-10-2005, 02:29 PM   #320
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i guess the burress visit went badly, because the giants have withdrawn their offer.
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Old 03-10-2005, 02:30 PM   #321
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The Giants have withdrawn their offer to Plaxico Burress, not sure who's still interested in Burress at this point. Looks like he won't be getting the Muhammed type money that he'd wanted.
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Old 03-10-2005, 02:32 PM   #322
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The Giants have withdrawn their offer to Plaxico Burress, not sure who's still interested in Burress at this point. Looks like he won't be getting the Muhammed type money that he'd wanted.

Huh. Any word on what happened during the interview to disinterest the Giants?
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Old 03-10-2005, 02:47 PM   #323
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Vikings | Could Pursue Sharper - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:27:04 -0800

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reports the Minnesota Vikings could pursue S Darren Sharper, who is expected to be released by the Green Bay Packers in the coming days.


Wouldn't be bad if they fail to land Darius.
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Old 03-10-2005, 02:47 PM   #324
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Huh. Any word on what happened during the interview to disinterest the Giants?

My guess would probably be a combination of character issues and salary demands.
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Old 03-10-2005, 03:31 PM   #325
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I hope that Plax didn't preorder his Bentley.
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Old 03-10-2005, 03:33 PM   #326
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I believe the Vikings are the only team that still showed interest in him, but it wasn't that great. Hopefully with some lower contract demands they could land him. The Giants were the only other team realy interested in him, the Eagles were rumored to be denied it, and the Steelers aren't interested in bringing him back. I think he could be a good pickup at the right price.
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Old 03-10-2005, 03:39 PM   #327
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I believe the Vikings are the only team that still showed interest in him, but it wasn't that great. Hopefully with some lower contract demands they could land him. The Giants were the only other team realy interested in him, the Eagles were rumored to be denied it, and the Steelers aren't interested in bringing him back. I think he could be a good pickup at the right price.

I don't. You want to talk about a sulker and disgruntled.

He doesn't impress me as the type to say "I'll show you."

He had that chance last year.
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Old 03-10-2005, 04:07 PM   #328
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2009691

Burress is heading back for another visit in Minnnesota, Culpepper is lobbying for the team to sign him.
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Old 03-10-2005, 04:12 PM   #329
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Burress is heading back for another visit in Minnnesota, Culpepper is lobbying for the team to sign him.
Randy Moss without the talent - just what Minnesota needs. Seriously, though, the Vikes have easily had the most impressive offseason, but signing Buress will do more harm than good, IMO.
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Old 03-10-2005, 04:48 PM   #330
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Brett Favre will be playing in 2005.

WR Mike Williams has met with Bears GM Jerry Angelo. The Buccaneers have been impressed by him.

The Broncos have matched the Jets offer for TE Jeb Putzier

Niners sign K Joe Nedney to a 1 year deal.
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Old 03-10-2005, 05:10 PM   #331
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The Browns are going to release Courtney Brown within the next week.

Wow, so the Browns will have essentially traded a #1 overall and a #3 overall for the grand total of a fourth-round pick. That's quality right there.
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Old 03-10-2005, 05:25 PM   #332
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Not a big surprise, but GB officially cut Darren Sharper:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2009789
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:07 PM   #333
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Niners are talking with David Boston and one fan site has them agreeing to a deal.
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:13 PM   #334
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:26 PM   #335
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Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reports the Minnesota Vikings could pursue S Darren Sharper, who is expected to be released by the Green Bay Packers in the coming days.


Wouldn't be bad if they fail to land Darius.

Sharper will be visting Winter Park tomorrow. I'd be very happy with the Vikings secondary if he were added.
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:35 PM   #336
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Has anyone heard anything about Troy Brown? I'm interested to see where he ends up....
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:42 PM   #337
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A league source tells us that the 49ers have not signed -- and do not intend to sign -- free-agent receiver David Boston.

The story that Boston is heading to San Fran appears on 49ersnews.com. When the link was sent to us by e-mail this afternoon, we inadvertently deemed it to be a link to the team's official site.

It wasn't. And, officially, there will be no Boston in San Fran.

Various newspapers recently have reported that Boston is talking to and/or planning to meet with the 49ers. However, we've learned that there's simply no interest on the team's part at this time.

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Old 03-10-2005, 07:06 PM   #338
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i guess the burress visit went badly, because the giants have withdrawn their offer.


Its a pretty big deal when an offer gets WITHDRAWN isnt it? I dont think ive seen this specifically stated before, at least in the past couple years. He's a jackass anyways, he's not worth the Giants troubles.
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Old 03-10-2005, 07:36 PM   #339
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Who the hell are the Giants gonna play at WR now? Maybe they can sign Boston and hope he can stay healthy.
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Old 03-10-2005, 07:40 PM   #340
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Here's hoping the Lions can nab DeMulling and Brad Johnson and maybe Troy Brown for WR depth, and put a capper on another solid Free Agency period.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:14 PM   #341
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I hope that Plax didn't preorder his Bentley.

no shit! I haven't seen a player/agent bungle something this badly since Erric Rhett's holdout.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:25 PM   #342
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Here's hoping the Lions can nab DeMulling and Brad Johnson and maybe Troy Brown for WR depth, and put a capper on another solid Free Agency period.

I would rather they drafted a guard in the 2nd round. Pick up a DE in the 1st and draft David Baas(OG/C out of Michigan) in the 2nd.

Johnson has got to be the choice as a backup.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:30 PM   #343
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I would rather they drafted a guard in the 2nd round. Pick up a DE in the 1st and draft David Baas(OG/C out of Michigan) in the 2nd.

Johnson has got to be the choice as a backup.

I'd love to get Baas but from all accounts he's moved himself possibly to the late first round. If we could get Elton Brown out of UVA in the second, it'd be nice, but I wouldn't want to risk going into camp without a true Guard if we can't get those two.

Dan Cody seems to be our guy at #10, but who knows. I'd like to see him or Derrick Johnson.

DJ would give us the fastest group of LB in the NFL. Boss, Lehman, Johnson? The playmaking potential would be unreal.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:37 PM   #344
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I'd love to get Baas but from all accounts he's moved himself possibly to the late first round. If we could get Elton Brown out of UVA in the second, it'd be nice, but I wouldn't want to risk going into camp without a true Guard if we can't get those two.

Dan Cody seems to be our guy at #10, but who knows. I'd like to see him or Derrick Johnson.

DJ would give us the fastest group of LB in the NFL. Boss, Lehman, Johnson? The playmaking potential would be unreal.

I would prefer Cody over Johnson at this point but I am not enamored with either one. Johnson had real trouble shedding blocks this year. Michigan chipped him in the bowl game and he didnt play well at all.

I think Millen has decided the most important thing is putting money in the secondary and defensive line. I dont see us spending a first rounder on a LB because so much money is already tied up in CB, S and DT.

If I was Millen I would also give some interest to Cosey Coleman the Guard out of Tampa who I believe is a FA.
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I'd love to get Baas but from all accounts he's moved himself possibly to the late first round. If we could get Elton Brown out of UVA in the second, it'd be nice, but I wouldn't want to risk going into camp without a true Guard if we can't get those two.

Dan Cody seems to be our guy at #10, but who knows. I'd like to see him or Derrick Johnson.

DJ would give us the fastest group of LB in the NFL. Boss, Lehman, Johnson? The playmaking potential would be unreal.

I'd be shocked if Johnson lasts until #10. In fact I hope he's taken at #7.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:39 PM   #346
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I would rather they drafted a guard in the 2nd round. Pick up a DE in the 1st and draft David Baas(OG/C out of Michigan) in the 2nd.

Johnson has got to be the choice as a backup.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Lions getting Baas in the second round. The worry is that the Lions, in all likelihood, would be starting the season with 2/5 of it's offensive line (Baas and whoever starts at right tackle Rogers/Butler) with absolutely zero starting experience.

Looking at mock drafts, they have the Lions taking almost any of the following: Heath Miller, Derrick Johnson, Shawnee Merriman, Erasmus James, Antrell Rolle, Pac Man Jones, or Marcus Spears.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:41 PM   #347
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I would prefer Cody over Johnson at this point but I am not enamored with either one. Johnson had real trouble shedding blocks this year. Michigan chipped him in the bowl game and he didnt play well at all.

I think Millen has decided the most important thing is putting money in the secondary and defensive line. I dont see us spending a first rounder on a LB because so much money is already tied up in CB, S and DT.

If I was Millen I would also give some interest to Cosey Coleman the Guard out of Tampa who I believe is a FA.

Indeed.

Dan Cody is probably the top choice because Kalimba Edwards has been bust. Redding is better from the inside, and DeVries is a solid player but nothing to hang your hat on. I'd Cody on the other end of Hall with Rogers, Wilkinson and Redding opening up the middle is a nice thought. Also, I keep forgetting that James Davis and Alex Lewis showed some good signs last year. I'd Bailey being back is huge, and I can live with he and Lehman on the outside with Holmes plugging the middle.

I just can't see any other position being taken but DE, OG or off chance, LB.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:41 PM   #348
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If I was Millen I would also give some interest to Cosey Coleman the Guard out of Tampa who I believe is a FA.

Coleman has already signed somewheres... I think. The last of the 'quality' free agent gaurds appear to be DeMulling or that guy out of Denver.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:42 PM   #349
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I'd be shocked if Johnson lasts until #10. In fact I hope he's taken at #7.
This is why I am really hoping that the Plaxico thing doesn't work out. That way the Vikes would be more apt to take a WR with that pick... I'd like to see as many WRs and RBs taken in the first ten spots as possible. The Lions have no need for either position at the Ten Spot.
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Lions getting Baas in the second round. The worry is that the Lions, in all likelihood, would be starting the season with 2/5 of it's offensive line (Baas and whoever starts at right tackle Rogers/Butler) with absolutely zero starting experience.

Looking at mock drafts, they have the Lions taking almost any of the following: Heath Miller, Derrick Johnson, Shawnee Merriman, Erasmus James, Antrell Rolle, Pac Man Jones, or Marcus Spears.

I keep reading in the local papers the Lions have no worries at the RT spot. I think they feel Rogers will be as good as McDougle (I beleive its Rogers, it's been a while since I read the report) but in any case, they are two 7th round picks. Rogers has been solid though in the limited time he does see the field, and playing next to Woody will be a plus. A first three picks of Cody, Baas, Shazor would look nice.

Shazor in the third is a stretch, but he could be a guy who could sit behind Brock for a year, learn the ropes, and become a force.
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