Official College Football Week 3 Thread

[tarcone]

I hope Dr. Sak didnt work the Wisconsin/ASU game.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I call BS. Refs screw up games in college and NFL all of the time, replacements or not, but you're the one flying off the handle about it.

As well he should - Wisconsin got absolutely jobbed. It's unknown whether the kicker would have made the kick, but they should have had the chance to find out. Terrible, terrible officiating there.

And I'm speaking as someone with no rooting interest in Wisconsin or ASU - if anything, as a fan of a Pac-12 school it's in my interests for ASU to win to boost the perception of the conference.

But not like that - they got away with one.

[mauchow]

Let's Be Clear About the End of the UW-ASU Game - Off Tackle Empire

Since I'm still stuck on it.. just more frame by frame shots..

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by tarcone

I hope Dr. Sak didnt work the Wisconsin/ASU game.

Didn't he say he's with the Big Ten crew? It was a Pac-12 crew working the Wisconsin/ASU game.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so what game did Sak do?

Wisconsin/ASU. You may have seen him near the end of the game spotting the ball.

[Dr. Sak]

Thanks for the well wishes...I'm not quite at the FBS level. I worked Delaware State at #4 Towson this past weekend.

If/when I do move up to FBS, it will be in the ACC. I am a supplemental official for them at the moment.

[Dr. Sak]

My take of the ASU/Wisconsin ending:

When a player attempts a kneel down the ball is dead by rule. The ASU player who laid on the ball should've got a delay of game penalty. Wisconsin should have had the chance to kick the GW FG because on a defensive delay a game where the opponent is trying to consume time, the game clock would start on the snap.

[Logan]

Not that it matters because so much got fucked up on that play anyway, but once there were 4 seconds on the clock, the game was over. New rule this year is that you can't spike the ball unless there's 5 seconds or more on the game clock. Any less, and the game ends automatically.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Logan

Not that it matters because so much got fucked up on that play anyway, but once there were 4 seconds on the clock, the game was over. New rule this year is that you can't spike the ball unless there's 5 seconds or more on the game clock. Any less, and the game ends automatically.

What is the point of this rule?

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Logan

Not that it matters because so much got fucked up on that play anyway, but once there were 4 seconds on the clock, the game was over. New rule this year is that you can't spike the ball unless there's 5 seconds or more on the game clock. Any less, and the game ends automatically.

Yep. But I think there were 15 seconds or so when Stave went down. Assuming the refs do their job, there would have been plenty of time before the clock ticked below 4 seconds for them to spike the ball.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by mauchow

What is the point of this rule?

To eliminate home-cooking from scoreboard operators.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Yep. But I think there were 15 seconds or so when Stave went down. Assuming the refs do their job, there would have been plenty of time before the clock ticked below 4 seconds for them to spike the ball.

Agreed. My point was that once we saw 4 seconds on the clock, the game was over even if they could have gotten the snap/spike off.

[Dr. Sak]

Just for clarification the rule states that you have to have 3 or more seconds on the clock to spike the ball.

ARTICLE 5. a. If the game clock is stopped and will start on the referee’s signal with three or more seconds remaining in the quarter, the offense may reasonably expect to throw the ball directly to the ground (Rule 7-3-2-e) and have enough time for another play.

b. With two seconds or one second on the game clock there is enough time for only one play. (A.R. 3.3.5.I)

[Butter]

The next time I shed a tear for Wisconsin getting hosed will be the first time.

[Logan]

Sorry about that...I was going off a Rutgers practice account when the players were blasted for not clocking the ball at 5 seconds. In reading it again, the instruction was to clock it at 5 to remove any potential ambiguity.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Just for clarification the rule states that you have to have 3 or more seconds on the clock to spike the ball.

So if the clock is not stopped....

Is the time "limit" based on snap time?

[Logan]

Time on clock when the ball is snapped, is how I understood it. But I've been wrong already .

[Mike Lowe]

Mini thread jack here, but I thought you guys might know:

When the NCAA goes to a playoff next year, will post-season stats be included for things like season records?

I guess I just wonder how they'll handle things like a guy on Indiana (a Randal El type guy), not qualifying for the post-season, but getting passed in stats during the post-season for season and career records.

Does that make sense?

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Mike Lowe

Mini thread jack here, but I thought you guys might know:

When the NCAA goes to a playoff next year, will post-season stats be included for things like season records?

I guess I just wonder how they'll handle things like a guy on Indiana (a Randal El type guy), not qualifying for the post-season, but getting passed in stats during the post-season for season and career records.

Does that make sense?

My guess is they will count but they won't do anything for players in previous years. Didn't the NCAA change the rules a few years ago on bowl games counting for official records but didn't add bowl stats for players in previous seasons?

[Mike Lowe]

Originally Posted by mckerney

My guess is they will count but they won't do anything for players in previous years. Didn't the NCAA change the rules a few years ago on bowl games counting for official records but didn't add bowl stats for players in previous seasons?

That's correct, although I don't know about past players.

The issue with a tournament, is that some guys will play an extra 4 games...or maybe that's just 2? I dunno how it's being laid out actually.

[HomerSimpson98]

From NCAA site:

Postseason Records and Statistics
Postseason contests including conference and/or NCAA tournaments, or bowl games in football, shall be included in the official records and statistics for all sports.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Mike Lowe

That's correct, although I don't know about past players.

The issue with a tournament, is that some guys will play an extra 4 games...or maybe that's just 2? I dunno how it's being laid out actually.

The NCAA doesn't count Barry Sanders bowl game in his single season rushing TD record. If they didn't even go back and add bowl games for past players when they changed that rule I really can't see them doing anything for past players here.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Mike Lowe

That's correct, although I don't know about past players.

The issue with a tournament, is that some guys will play an extra 4 games...or maybe that's just 2? I dunno how it's being laid out actually.

It's just a 4 team "playoff" for now. You do see guys in FCS and D2/D3 playing 16 games and setting records occasionally. The Colgate running back a few years ago had 450 carries for 2326 yards in 16 games and is listed as the single season leader.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Hilarious stuff. Someone's obviously been holding this clip for just the right time to bury Pelini. He's under a lot of fire right now, so that person couldn't have picked a better time.

Bo Pelini On Nebraska Fans: "Fuck You, Fans. Fuck All Of You."

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Used to be that way, but not currently. That was a Pac-12 crew.

For clarification. This all comes down to contracts. When teams schedule home and homes out of conference they arbitrate who will supply and compensate officials.

Its why for example ACC refs called the Clemson uga game in Clemson and ACC refs will call rje Clemson SC game in Columbia this year.

[mauchow]

That makes me feel all better...not. Not suprising the pac 12 came out and reprimanded refs for failure to referee the last 18 seconds of the game.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Hilarious stuff. Someone's obviously been holding this clip for just the right time to bury Pelini. He's under a lot of fire right now, so that person couldn't have picked a better time.

Bo Pelini On Nebraska Fans: "Fuck You, Fans. Fuck All Of You."

Let me just take this moment to admit I was wrong about Nebraska and Bo Pelini being ready to become an elite program again. Sure seemed like they were on the verge in 2010, but he just can't turn to corner from good to great, and the fact he's a raging douchebag makes it really easy to root against him ever getting there.

Nebraska fans deserve better.

[SnDvls]

I'll add just to this real quick.

I'm biased, I was there too.

The refs screwed up at the end, the screwed up all over the place in that game. It was poorly officiated and calls were missed on both sides (effecting the score for both teams if you "assume" the drives and attempts would have continued as is "normal" in those situations) Hey we even got hosed by B10 refs in Wisconsin in 2010...it sucks but it's not the 1st time it's happened (Colorado 5th down, Syracuse/Tulane 2011 and the missed FG call that was reviewed) and it won't be the last sad to say. Blame also goes a bit on Wisconsin QB/OL and Head Coach, IMO. The players didn't have a real urgency to them to quickly snap the ball and go for it and the Coach really should have kicked the FG with about 30 seconds or so left in the game and never let it get this far, but he was getting kinda cute at the end. Anyhow the best way to settle it is both teams make it to the Rose Bowl and do it on the field

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

So if the clock is not stopped....

Is the time "limit" based on snap time?

Yessir. If the ball is snapped with 3 seconds or more the offense can spike the ball and get one more play off.

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

For clarification. This all comes down to contracts. When teams schedule home and homes out of conference they arbitrate who will supply and compensate officials.

Its why for example ACC refs called the Clemson uga game in Clemson and ACC refs will call rje Clemson SC game in Columbia this year.

Georgia/GT has the opposite. The Bulldogs don't want ACC officials doing games at Athens so last year was the last year (in the contract) to have the away team's refs do the game.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

Blame also goes a bit on Wisconsin QB/OL and Head Coach, IMO. The players didn't have a real urgency to them to quickly snap the ball and go for it)

Kinda hard to do when somebody is laying on the ball for 8 seconds...