Werewolf LXXII: Chess (Checkmate!)

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I hate this reasoning.

Oh well.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Vote for the guy you want to see get lynched, not somebody that other people want to see get lynched. There's several hours til deadline, we could see all sorts of movement.

It's day one. It's a total crapshoot. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

Of the two candidates that are likely to be lynched, I'd rather vote for Jackal. If something drastic happens between now and then, I will change my vote.

[hoopsguy]

Heinz, there are several people who fit the bill as low-content posters in this game. I don't think it is just a Qwikshot issue.

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for alternate candidates. But is Qwik's non-check-in a much bigger issue than NTN's one post vote?

If I'm getting to pick my alternate candidate I would probably go with Sonic Youth right now. One, because Jackal is in position to switch his vote onto me so I'm not going on the war path trying to antagonize a guy that I have no real position on. Two, because Sonic + Neon put me back in the lead, but I feel better about Neon than I do Sonic.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I'd have to ask the folks who are just voting for one of the two lead vote getters: "What is your plan come tomorrow when Qwik quite possibly still hasn't checked in?"

Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill here, I dunno, I've just been burned by this in the past and I was so pissed about it that I look for the no-check-in folks.

I typically vote for the non-checker-in people also. I'd be happy to go in that direction if there's support for it.

[st.cronin]

I am ok voting for Qwikshot. I may move my vote.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Heinz, there are several people who fit the bill as low-content posters in this game. I don't think it is just a Qwikshot issue.

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for alternate candidates. But is Qwik's non-check-in a much bigger issue than NTN's one post vote?

If I'm getting to pick my alternate candidate I would probably go with Sonic Youth right now. One, because Jackal is in position to switch his vote onto me so I'm not going on the war path trying to antagonize a guy that I have no real position on. Two, because Sonic + Neon put me back in the lead, but I feel better about Neon than I do Sonic.

Well I'm not saying I trust you either there hoops

As far as Qwik vs NTN, it may be minute, but I do see a difference. I don't ask for hyper-activity in the game, but someone who doesn't check in over a day plus is a big knock. Plus I see that pace as NTN's regular pace whereas I thought Qwik was more active in the Cruise game and hence I think he's just not paying attention

[hoopsguy]

And not paying attention = wolf? Usually they pay more attention, not less.

[KWhit]

Since Path made a vote and others seem open to getting Quik some votes (therefore I won't just be throwing this vote away)...

Unvote The Jackal
Vote Quikshot

[st.cronin]

KWhit strikes me as trying very hard to make sure his vote doesn't mean anything.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

And not paying attention = wolf? Usually they pay more attention, not less.

I've seen it. And it could be from outside forces.

I guess I just look at the non-active people as thus:

- If I'm potentially making a mistake, I'd rather make it on someone who isn't active

- If they are indeed a wolf the longer the game goes (and the more offshoots of ideas that get bounced around) the harder it is for people to go for them since they aren't actually contributing.

Hence I like to take care of them early so it's a worry that is "crossed off" in my mind.

With that said hoops, to put it gently, it may not be in your best interests regarding my vote should Qwik check in.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Since Path made a vote and others seem open to getting Quik some votes (therefore I won't just be throwing this vote away)...

Unvote The Jackal
Vote Quikshot

Can you please explain how your vote on The Jackal would have been a throw away when Jackal was tied for the lead?

[jeheinz72]

hoopsguy (5) - mccollins (177), PurdueBrad (193), RendeR (197), Sonic Youth (286), Neon Chaos (289)

The Jackal (4) - claphamsa (179), Narcizo (232), Lathum (277), hoopsguy (290)

Qwikshot (3) - jeheinz72 (159), path (300), KWhit (307)

no lynch (2) - Barkeep49 (175), The Jackal (217)

KWhit (2) - ntndeacon (226), st.cronin (273)

Barkeep49 (1) - Chief Rum (237)
RendeR (1) - Anxiety (238)

Not voted: Qwikshot, oliegirl

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Heinz, there are several people who fit the bill as low-content posters in this game. I don't think it is just a Qwikshot issue.

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for alternate candidates. But is Qwik's non-check-in a much bigger issue than NTN's one post vote?

So you're unhappy about a no lynch vote and unhappy about a vote on someone who hasn't checked in? And I presume unhappy on a vote for you.......you sound depressed, hoops.

[path12]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Can you please explain how your vote on The Jackal would have been a throw away when Jackal was tied for the lead?

Solid question right there.

[Barkeep49]

I liked no lynch in this game but I also like voting against those who haven't checked in, even if they're entertaining players.

Unvote no lynch
Vote Qwik

[st.cronin]

I'm also confused about who hoops sees as a good candidate.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I hate this reasoning. Vote for the guy you want to see get lynched, not somebody that other people want to see get lynched. There's several hours til deadline, we could see all sorts of movement.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

KWhit strikes me as trying very hard to make sure his vote doesn't mean anything.

so maybe it's me but Cronin is completely contradicting himself here.

[st.cronin]

How is that a contradiction? I think villagers should vote their convictions, but KWhit has been all over the map, with excuses about why he's voting a certain way that have nothing at all to do with convictions, and everything to do with making sure he has an excuse for voting for somebody.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Can you please explain how your vote on The Jackal would have been a throw away when Jackal was tied for the lead?

You misunderstand. Did you not read my other previous posts?

My point was that I usually vote for the non-check-in people, but it's getting close to deadline and I originally decided to vote for one of the 2 top vote getters (so I wouldn't be throwing away my vote). So I voted The Jackal. Since then, Path, JeHeinze, and st.cronin have all talked about voting for Qwik and Path actually voted for him.

So my statement was that it looked like a vote for Qwik had a chance to actually mean something and not be a throwaway vote. So I voted for him. I wasn't saying that my vote on Jackal was a throwaway - that's the whole reason I made it in the first place. And I made quite a few statements about that fact.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

How is that a contradiction? I think villagers should vote their convictions, but KWhit has been all over the map, with excuses about why he's voting a certain way that have nothing at all to do with convictions, and everything to do with making sure he has an excuse for voting for somebody.

CONTRADICTOR!!!!

[st.cronin]

Well, I can't argue with that font.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Since then, Path, JeHeinze, and st.cronin have all talked about voting for Qwik and Path actually voted for him.

FYI, I actually voted for him yesterday and haven't moved.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well, I can't argue with that font.

INSTIGATOR!!!!

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

How is that a contradiction? I think villagers should vote their convictions, but KWhit has been all over the map, with excuses about why he's voting a certain way that have nothing at all to do with convictions, and everything to do with making sure he has an excuse for voting for somebody.

Huh? Excuses? More like explaining my vote(s). That's pretty common practice around here.

It's day 1. I pretty much don't have a read on anything or anybody. I don't particularly CARE where my vote goes today. I just want it to mean something and not throw it away on a candidate that's not in the running.

So when I saw that a Quik vote possibly had some legs, I decided I'd rather my vote be there since he's not contributing AT ALL. How is that strange?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

OK I think that we need to counter-act the no lynch vote. That leaves me picking between hoops and Jackal. Hoops is giving off a far more believable villager vibe at the moment. (blah blah blah cunning wolf etc etc ad nauseum).



This is probably just an innocent comment but another interpretation is that could potential seen as premptive blame placing for a villager hoops lynch (placing blame with either Render or myself) and adds 5% on my wolfometer. Jackal also seemed to be flip-flopping between a lynch and no-lynch vote, which makes it seem like he's trying to gauge which is the winning horse. I get pretty suspicious of "I'm leaning towards ..." comments on day one.

Vote Jackal

Catching up on the thread, wanted to respond to this before I get lost. I never really flip flopped, I had no intention of keeping my vote on clap. I normally vote no lynch on day 1 when it's allowed, not as a wolfish move, but as a "we don't have much information at all move". I realize the counter-argument is that you don't get information with a no lynch, but there's a lot of useful roles in this game.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

KWhit strikes me as trying very hard to make sure his vote doesn't mean anything.

I don't understand what you're talking about here. I'm trying to do the exact opposite.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

You misunderstand. Did you not read my other previous posts?

Yep, I stay quite up to date.

Originally Posted by KWhit

My point was that I usually vote for the non-check-in people, but it's getting close to deadline and I originally decided to vote for one of the 2 top vote getters (so I wouldn't be throwing away my vote). So I voted The Jackal. Since then, Path, JeHeinze, and st.cronin have all talked about voting for Qwik and Path actually voted for him.

So my statement was that it looked like a vote for Qwik had a chance to actually mean something and not be a throwaway vote. So I voted for him. I wasn't saying that my vote on Jackal was a throwaway - that's the whole reason I made it in the first place. And I made quite a few statements about that fact.

That doesn't change the fact that your vote had meaning when it was holding a tie for a leading vote getter.

By moving it off, it puts hoopsguy in the lead.

My vote is actually on hoops, but you're making me reconsider...

[Passacaglia]

I think the vicodin is having an effect on Lathum.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think the vicodin is having an effect on Lathum.

Is Lathum on drugs? Don't we lynch people on drugs when they don't talk?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I just want it to mean something and not throw it away on a candidate that's not in the running.

But Jackal was not only in the running, he was in the lead!

[Abe Sargent]

Morning all. Let me get caught up.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Is Lathum on drugs? Don't we lynch people on drugs when they don't talk?

zing

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think the vicodin is having an effect on Lathum.

I am so high rite now

[The Jackal]

and first of all

unvote no lynch

[hoopsguy]

I don't consider a guy who hasn't shown up to be the most likely candidate for a wolf. People who get roles of wolves generally play them more intensely than people who get villager roles.

I'm not sure what to make of the votes on Jackal. I'll leave my vote on him over Qwik.

I know what I think of the votes on me and any remaining votes on No Lynch.

I've posted on people I consider good candidates - Sonic Youth and Mccollins. I'm not seeing a whole heck of a lot of support for either of those two, so I'll just make my self-defense move where I need to make it today.

Also, I'm disappointed that I haven't seen the person who can vouch for my reveal in the thread up to this point. He can't clear me of being a wolf, but they can absolutely confirm I'm not bluffing on my role (which would likely be considered more helpful than the average role).

[The Jackal]

Right now I'm going with the inactive person, seems a better bet.

Vote Qwikshot

[hoopsguy]

BTW, does anyone have a current vote count? It is starting to get close enough to deadline that I care a little bit

[The Jackal]

Qwikshot (5) - jeheinz72 (159), path12 (300), KWhit (307), Barkeep49 (314), The Jackal (335)
hoopsguy (5) - mccollins (177), PurdueBrad (193), RendeR (197), Sonic Youth (286), Neon Chaos (289)
The Jackal (4) - claphamsa (179), Narcizo (233), KWhit (275), Lathum (277), hoopsguy (290)
KWhit (2) - ntndeacon (226), st.cronin (273)
mccollins (1) - hoopsguy (180)
Barkeep49 (1) - Chief Rum (237)
Render (1) - Anxiety (238)

Not voted: Qwikshot, oliegirl

[The Jackal]

Gotta fix that, hold on.

[st.cronin]

KWhit,

Your first vote was No Lynch. When the anti-No Lynch movement grew strong, you moved your vote to The Jackal, and explained that vote in a way that I translate as: "Because of the vote count, I feel like there is nobody else I could vote for that would be reasonable." I don't think that was an honest assessment of your options, or, if it was an honest assessment, I very strongly disagree with that way of thinking. The village benefits when people vote for WHO THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE GET LYNCHED.

[The Jackal]

Qwikshot (5) - jeheinz72 (159), path12 (300), KWhit (307), Barkeep49 (314), The Jackal (335)
hoopsguy (5) - mccollins (177), PurdueBrad (193), RendeR (197), Sonic Youth (286), Neon Chaos (289)
The Jackal (4) - claphamsa (179), Narcizo (233), KWhit (275), Lathum (277), hoopsguy (290)
KWhit (2) - ntndeacon (226), st.cronin (273)
Barkeep49 (1) - Chief Rum (237)
Render (1) - Anxiety (238)

Not voted: Qwikshot, oliegirl

[The Jackal]

-sigh- I screwed it up again.

[The Jackal]

Qwikshot (5) - jeheinz72 (159), path12 (300), KWhit (307), Barkeep49 (314), The Jackal (335)
hoopsguy (5) - mccollins (177), PurdueBrad (193), RendeR (197), Sonic Youth (286), Neon Chaos (289)
The Jackal (4) - claphamsa (179), Narcizo (233), Lathum (277), hoopsguy (290)
KWhit (2) - ntndeacon (226), st.cronin (273)
Barkeep49 (1) - Chief Rum (237)
Render (1) - Anxiety (238)

Not voted: Qwikshot, oliegirl

If that's not right I give up.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

But Jackal was not only in the running, he was in the lead!

You're clearly not understanding. I'll try again.

I had originally voted No Lynch because I thought the game mechanics would allow us to explore and find out identities of people we saw on the board. Pass clarified and said that's not how it works. So my initial strategy was invalid.

So I decide to change my vote and see two ways to go.

1) Vote for one of the top vote getters to put pressure on them and see what happens.
2) Vote for one of the people who aren't contributing (usually my preferred day 1 vote).

It was starting to get late in the morning and there was no real push for voting for a quiet one so I felt that going in that direction was going to result in a wasted vote. So I didn't go with option 2 (which I really would have preferred slightly).

But later on, that possibility got legs as Path voted for Qwik and st.cronin mentioned he was thinking about it. All of a sudden, option 2 got a chance at actually meaning something. So I decided it was worthwhile to move my vote to Qwik because he'd be in the running for lynch.

So my statement that seems to be giving you such heartburn could be restated as, "Now that voting for Qwik does not seem to be a throw-away vote, I think that I will move my vote to him as I think it makes more sense to vote for someone who is not contributing on day one."

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

KWhit,

Your first vote was No Lynch. When the anti-No Lynch movement grew strong, you moved your vote to The Jackal, and explained that vote in a way that I translate as: "Because of the vote count, I feel like there is nobody else I could vote for that would be reasonable." I don't think that was an honest assessment of your options, or, if it was an honest assessment, I very strongly disagree with that way of thinking. The village benefits when people vote for WHO THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE GET LYNCHED.

so he cant change his mind?

[Abe Sargent]

Has oliegirl checkied in? I see she hasn;t voted.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

KWhit,

Your first vote was No Lynch. When the anti-No Lynch movement grew strong, you moved your vote to The Jackal, and explained that vote in a way that I translate as: "Because of the vote count, I feel like there is nobody else I could vote for that would be reasonable." I don't think that was an honest assessment of your options, or, if it was an honest assessment, I very strongly disagree with that way of thinking. The village benefits when people vote for WHO THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE GET LYNCHED.

Thanks. Now I know how you would vote. I appreciate your assistance.

[Qwikshot]

Sheesh, one busy day with migraine and I'm being singled out...

[Abe Sargent]

Heya Qwik!

[Lathum]

Is it bad to mix scotch with Vicoden on an empty stomach?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Has oliegirl checkied in? I see she hasn;t voted.

Here ya go:

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Last check in for the night, I'm going to wait until tomorrow to cast my vote, I'm working at 10:15 so I'll be around in the morning.

Nothing to say right now, been a typical day 1 with no information out there.