Werewolf LXII -- The BCS (Racer and Swaggs win)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I would strongly suggest that seers take a look at either me or claphamsa.

[Passacaglia]

Public Poll
1. jeheinz72
2. Hoosier State Huskers (Racer)
2. U of BK Drones (Barkeep49)
4. Swaggs
5. Mr. Wednesday

Private Poll
1. U of BK Drones (Barkeep49)
2. path12
3. Hoosier State Huskers (Racer)
4. St Cronin's University Blue Man Group (st.cronin)
5. molson

[Passacaglia]

Day 2 Matchups
#4 St Cronin's University Blue Man Group (st.cronin) vs. Team 37
#2 path12 vs. Team 33
ntndeacon vs. SnDvls
Buffalo State Bengals (RendeR) vs. Team 75
University Falls Church Crushers (chesapeake) vs. Boone County Vocational Technical Institute (Anxiety)
#5 Mr. Wednesday vs. #1 jeheinz72
#2 Hoosier State Huskers (Racer) vs. MD superkittens
Lathum vs. Team 42
Chief Rum vs. Team 75
#1 U of BK Drones vs. Team 50
#5 molson vs. Team 40
#4 Swaggs vs. Team 60
Notre Dame (Alan T) vs. Team 50

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Public Poll
1. jeheinz72
2. Hoosier State Huskers (Racer)
2. U of BK Drones (Barkeep49)
4. Swaggs
5. Mr. Wednesday

YOU LIKE ME! YOU REALLY LIKE ME! :o

[Barkeep49]

FTR: I voted in neither the Public nor Private poll today, so I appreciate the votes of confidence players made in me.

[path12]

Hey kids.

I have no idea what the hell is going on, so bear with me. I'll get caught up this afternoon.

[Passacaglia]

Day 2 Results
#4 St Cronin's University Blue Man Group (st.cronin) DEFEATS Team 37
#2 path12 LOSES TO Team 33
ntndeacon DEFEATS SnDvls
Buffalo State Bengals (RendeR) LOSES TO Team 75
University Falls Church Crushers (chesapeake) DEFEATS Boone County Vocational Technical Institute (Anxiety)
#5 Mr. Wednesday LOSES TO #1 jeheinz72
#2 Hoosier State Huskers (Racer) LOSES TO MD superkittens (claphamsa)
Lathum DEFEATS Team 42
Chief Rum DEFEATS Team 75
#1 U of BK Drones LOSES TO Team 50
#5 molson DEFEATS Team 40
#4 Swaggs LOSES TO Team 60
Notre Dame (Alan T) LOSES TO Team 50

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Acting coach? WTF?

You wern't a very good actor either. It is about time that the alumni put enough pressure on the Athletic department to bring in someone with my football genious. I'll have this team turned around far before the post season.

[Passacaglia]

In response to the sabotage from last week, the BCS schools meet to decide on a course of action. The major players in each conference seem for the most part agreed that the fault lies with Mr. Wednesday, and proposes that sanctions be imposed on them.

However, when the vote arrives, the conference doormats seem to vote in lockstep. The fault lies, in their mind, with the MD superkittens (claphamsa)! Mr. Wednesday receives no sanctions.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Starting with the loss to team 50?

[SnDvls]

wow my team sucks...guess I need to bench that Sr QB for the Fr one.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Starting with the loss to team 50?

As soon as we get the players trained on the new playbook, and remove all evidence of former coach Passacaglia's mismanagement of this team, the sky will be the limit. Obviously team 50 played this game like it was their superbowl, while our team was sloppy and sluggish. It did not help that the former coach allowed destractions such as MC Hammer on the sidelines during the game.

There is a new sheriff in town, and this ship is getting turned around.

[Passacaglia]

Day 2 Standings

#1 jeheinz72: 2-0, 190 powerpoints
MD superkittens (clphamsa): 2-0, 140 powerpoints
#4 St Cronin's University Blue Man Group: 2-0, 62 powerpoints
University Falls Church Crushers (chesapeake): 1-1, 100 powerpoints
ntndeacon: 1-1, 100 powerpoints
#1 U of BK Drones: 1-1, 90 powerpoints
#5 Mr. Wednesday: 1-1, 90 powerpoints
#2 Hoosier State Huskers (Racer): 1-1, 90 powerpoints
Chief Rum: 1-1, 65 powerpoints
#4 Swaggs: 1-1, 48 powerpoints
Lathum: 1-1, 42 powerpoints
#5 molson: 1-1, 40 powerpoints
Boone County Vocational Technical Institute (Anxiety): 0-2, 0 powerpoints
SnDvls: 0-2, 0 powerpoints
Notre Dame (Alan T): 0-2, 0 powerpoints
Buffalo State Bengals (RendeR): 0-2, -10 powerpoints
#2 path12: 0-2, -10 powerpoints

[Passacaglia]

geez i guess the pollsters knew what they were talking about with jeheinz72

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by path12

Hey kids.

I have no idea what the hell is going on, so bear with me. I'll get caught up this afternoon.

I ahvent figure it out either!

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

In response to the sabotage from last week, the BCS schools meet to decide on a course of action. The major players in each conference seem for the most part agreed that the fault lies with Mr. Wednesday, and proposes that sanctions be imposed on them.

However, when the vote arrives, the conference doormats seem to vote in lockstep. The fault lies, in their mind, with the MD superkittens (claphamsa)! Mr. Wednesday receives no sanctions.

er.....

[Mr. Wednesday]

I plan to challenge someone, but I'd like to see if there are any useful seer reports before I do so.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I plan to challenge someone, but I'd like to see if there are any useful seer reports before I do so.

Ditto. I mean seers can all reveal and in some conferences we'd know the detractors

[chesapeake]

Wolf victims for D2 appear to be BK, Mr. Wednesday, jeheinz, Racer and Claphamsa. Whatever protection Mr. W got didn't seem to also provide wolf protection.

[chesapeake]

All 5 victims, btw, earned 100 PPs on day 1.

[Racer]

Dang I lost. Anyways, here was my private poll from week 2.

1. Passacaglia
2. Racer
3. Barkeep49
4. Swaggs
5. Chief Rum

I wanted to get a sense of how many people were currently voting in the private poll so I voted Pass number one to see if he would show up in the rankings.

[Racer]

Dola, I know Pass is no longer the head coach of Notre Dame, but I submitted the poll before the change occured.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

Wolf victims for D2 appear to be BK, Mr. Wednesday, jeheinz, Racer and Claphamsa. Whatever protection Mr. W got didn't seem to also provide wolf protection.

The lobbyist can alter the result of the sanctions vote in return for throwing their game.

Because I think any speculation along other avenues would likely be counterproductive, I will say that... I was the lobbyist that shifted sanctions off of myself. The logic for going to claphamsa was that I know I'm not a detractor, I have ntndeacon vouched, st.cronin was hit with sabotage, so I think that claphamsa is the most likely detractor in our conference.

That doesn't clear me, of course, since the detractors also have their own lobbyist.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Racer

Dola, I know Pass is no longer the head coach of Notre Dame, but I submitted the poll before the change occured.

For the record, any votes for me throughout the day became votes for Alan T. And any votes for Alan T became votes for path12.

[Barkeep49]

Challenge Mr. Wednesday

We've got equal power points. Let's go at it.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA: The work of the wolves seems a little easier to figure out today. They went with the leader of each conference.

[jeheinz72]

Well in 15 minutes I'm off until the morning, company XMas party...I'll figure out a game then I suppose.

[jeheinz72]

Actually

Challenge Racer

Let's have one for the ages

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Each conference will have one of each of these special roles: A scout, who can scan one team per day to find out if they are a detractor (but may not scan a coach in their own conference); a lobbyist, who can change the result of a sanctions vote (this will not reveal your role); a saboteur, who can make one team lose 15 powerpoints; and an equipment manager, who can protect from sabotage. The detractors will have one of each of these roles. In order to perform these actions, a team must throw its game that day. Keep in mind that there will be a detractor with each of these abilities -- the detractor also must throw their game to use them. The detractor who is the seer will be able to learn the role of one team, and will show up as not being a detractor if scanned if they throw their game.

Okay, I've reread the rules. Is there any reason not to reveal who the scout is in each conference. From what I can gather, their scan will be clean unless they happen to scan the bad scout. Since there is a good chance all scouts will come back good, would it be better to reveal who they are so the good scouts don't waste their time scanning them and focus on the other players in the conference instead?

Also, I'm not sure if this means anything, but the scout in my conference has not scouted at least one of the days (since you have to throw the game in order to scout). It's not really that hard to figure out even if you aren't in my conference. Barkeep, Swaggs, and myself won on day one. Chief Rum won on day two.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Pass, can you confirm that point totals from winning a challenge game are halved today?

Barkeep, if that's confirmed, I'm not interested in playing you as I get a better EV from one of the non-player teams.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Racer

Also, I'm not sure if this means anything, but the scout in my conference has not scouted at least one of the days (since you have to throw the game in order to scout). It's not really that hard to figure out even if you aren't in my conference. Barkeep, Swaggs, and myself won on day one. Chief Rum won on day two.

Detractors scout possibly?

[Racer]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Actually

Challenge Racer

Let's have one for the ages

I will have to confer with my with my conference, but probably not. I'm not sure how wise of an idea it is to schedule a game that I only have about a one in three chance of winning. If I win, that I'll probably be way up in my conference in power points and I'm not sure how good of an idea that is either (for a good guy or a wolf).

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Pass, can you confirm that point totals from winning a challenge game are halved today?

Barkeep, if that's confirmed, I'm not interested in playing you as I get a better EV from one of the non-player teams.

Yeah, I guess you could say that. The winner gets a number of powerpoints equal to the number of powerpoints that the loser has, divided by the number of games they've played -- in this case, everyone has played 2 games. So if you and Barkeep49 play, the winner gets 45 powerpoints.

[Mr. Wednesday]

My conference now has three different teams who have taken a -10: myself, claphamsa, and stcronin. Assuming that non-detractor sabotage is always -15 (Pass, is that correct?), it's all detractor sabotage. Either ntndeacon is the detractor here (and is their seer, or Alan/Alan's source was not truthful) or they have sabotaged one of their own (e.g. st.cronin who was accumulating rather less than full points on either day) to gain trust.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

Wolf victims for D2 appear to be BK, Mr. Wednesday, jeheinz, Racer and Claphamsa. Whatever protection Mr. W got didn't seem to also provide wolf protection.

I got a -60 hit! thats detractors and sanctions

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Racer

I will have to confer with my with my conference, but probably not. I'm not sure how wise of an idea it is to schedule a game that I only have about a one in three chance of winning. If I win, that I'll probably be way up in my conference in power points and I'm not sure how good of an idea that is either (for a good guy or a wolf).

No worries, just did it because you were on and we were 1-2.

UNCHALLENGE RACER

CHALLENGE CLAPHAMSA

We're closest in PP's so it's fairest in that regard

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

My conference now has three different teams who have taken a -10: myself, claphamsa, and stcronin. Assuming that non-detractor sabotage is always -15 (Pass, is that correct?), it's all detractor sabotage. Either ntndeacon is the detractor here (and is their seer, or Alan/Alan's source was not truthful) or they have sabotaged one of their own (e.g. st.cronin who was accumulating rather less than full points on either day) to gain trust.

For the most part. The saboteur deals a 15 powerpoint loss, but the equipment manager can guard some or all of that.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

The lobbyist can alter the result of the sanctions vote in return for throwing their game.

Because I think any speculation along other avenues would likely be counterproductive, I will say that... I was the lobbyist that shifted sanctions off of myself. The logic for going to claphamsa was that I know I'm not a detractor, I have ntndeacon vouched, st.cronin was hit with sabotage, so I think that claphamsa is the most likely detractor in our conference.

That doesn't clear me, of course, since the detractors also have their own lobbyist.

GRRR Im not the detrator!

[Mr. Wednesday]

SCHEDULE TEAM 60

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

GRRR Im not the detrator!

Yeah, it looks that way, sorry 'bout that. On the other hand, you're still in the conference lead because I threw the game, so it's not so bad for you.

[RendeR]

I'll reveal as the scout in my conference. I screwed up last night and forgot to throw my game to scan someone =( Still lost too.

Lathum does not scan as a detractor (day 1)

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, I guess you could say that. The winner gets a number of powerpoints equal to the number of powerpoints that the loser has, divided by the number of games they've played -- in this case, everyone has played 2 games. So if you and Barkeep49 play, the winner gets 45 powerpoints.

so it is actually better to schedule a computer team today then in this case as we'd get full points correct?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

so it is actually better to schedule a computer team today then in this case as we'd get full points correct?

I think it depends on your situation.

[chesapeake]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I'll reveal as the scout in my conference. I screwed up last night and forgot to throw my game to scan someone =( Still lost too.

Lathum does not scan as a detractor (day 1)

I do not believe that Alan T -- now path12 -- is the detractor. All the work and advice that Alan provided as a member of my conference appeared to me to be pretty useful and ultimately hurt the wolves. Lathum cannot be the evil seer, as our conference's seer is well known, leaving Molson and myself as the possible detractors. It ain't me. So if RendeR is telling the truth, than Molson is a detractor.

My only worry is this. Lathum and Molson are about tied for second in my conference (42 and 40 PPs respectively). This could be a ploy by the wolves to help Lathum cement his position in 2nd place with the hopes that he would secure the BCS at-large bid. That seems a bit far-fetched to me for day 3, however, as many things can change between now and then.

Vote Molson

[RendeR]

Schedule team 90



#1 jeheinz
#2 RendeR
#3 SnDvls
#4 Anxiety
#5 Racer

[Racer]

Okay, something just occured to me while I was out running. At least in my conference, everyone revealed what their role was to everyone else in our conference. I'm guessing this happened in every other conference as well so that means the detractors probably know what everyone's role is at this point in the game. So basically, the only reason not to reveal conference roles is if we we think providing the information will hurt our conference.

[Racer]

Public Poll
1. Racer
2. Barkeep49
3. Swaggs
4. Chief Rum
5. Alan T

[ntndeacon]

Public Poll
1. jeheinz
2. claphamsa
3.ntndeacon
4, cheasapeake
5. Mr Wednesday

[st.cronin]

PUBLIC POLL

1. st.cronin

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

[st.cronin]

conf #1: 

Chesapeake	1-1 (100)
Lathum		1-1 (42)
Molson		1-1 (40)
path12		0-2 (-10)

conf #2 
Claphamsa	2-0 (140)
Ntndeacon	1-1 (100)
Mr.Wednesday	1-1 (90)
St.Cronin	2-0 (62)

conf #3 
Barkeep		1-1 (90)
Racer		1-1 (90)
Chief Rum	1-1 (65)
Swaggs		1-1 (48)

conf #4 
Jeheinz72	2-0 (190)
Sndvls		0-2 (0)
Anxiety		0-2 (0)
Render		0-2 (-10)

Alan T		0-2 (0)