POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It won't be Biden's fault despite what they'll all tell themselves.

It's never the candidates fault for being unable to secure enough votes to win. It's everyone else's fault!

[PilotMan]

I find the game of hot potato that biden and trump are playing with RFK Jr to be odd, and amazing.

[albionmoonlight]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ntial-debates/

It'll never happen. Trump can't give a TelePrompted speech without slurring or getting confused. His handlers won't let him near a debate stage.

[albionmoonlight]

dola: But smart of Biden to call him out like this. He needs to keep the pressure up.

[Lathum]

Biden needs to continue to challenge him but it doesn't matter. The right wing media machine will spin it that Trump is challenging Biden and sleepy Joe is afraid and too old and feeble.

[albionmoonlight]

I agree. Biden needs to pretty much go around the media on this--do as much as he can to try and talk to the voters directly.

I like it b/c it's kind of a double win for Biden if he pulls it off. It undercuts the idea that he is feeble and confused because he is the one pushing for a debate. And it undercuts the idea that Trump is some sort of tough guy b/c Trump is the one ducking it.

Of course, the Trump handlers will make some totally unreasonable demands like having Joe Rogan moderate or something, and then they will blame Biden's people for not agreeing to it. And the media will bothsides it.

But there's enough political upside here that I am glad Biden is trying.

[RainMaker]

There has been some buzz over Haley as the VP pick. Trump shot it down so not sure if it's coming from the Haley camp hoping she gets picked or just some in the establishment looking for Trump to throw them a bone.

It'd be the smartest thing Trump could do which is why he won't do it. He can hate her all he wants but that would devastate the Biden campaign.

[GrantDawg]

It is interesting that both want to exclude the Council for Presidential Debates. No in-person audiences, just the debaters and moderators.

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I don't want Trump to win and I will not be voting for him. Neither major candidate is interested in my vote and that's fair. Candidates can cater to the voters they want.

So who are you voting for?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Edward64

So who are you voting for?

I'll just skip the race and vote in the other ones. Illinois doesn't require you to vote in every race.

[Edward64]

Always easy to attack.

How about in a perfect world, who would be your candidate? Living, eligible to run for president etc.

[Edward64]

Looking forward to the supposed Jun & Sep debates.

Dreading it some but I can see it help Joe if he holds his own. If it’s a bad day, he gets confused etc. I can see it really hurt him.

But the public deserves at least one debate.

[RainMaker]

Out of people who could conceivably run, I think JB Pritzker or Phil Murphy would make good candidates. Maybe Sherrod Brown or Katie Porter. I don't know. Dems haven't exactly been building up their bench over the years.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It is interesting that both want to exclude the Council for Presidential Debates. No in-person audiences, just the debaters and moderators.

Republicans quit the CPD in 2022 because they said it was biased. Biden wants to avoid it because their criteria could include RFK Jr.

[GrantDawg]

In a private Mar-a-Lago meeting, Donald Trump offered oil companies a massive rollback of American clean energy regulations if they gave him $1 billion. Here’s why a single story on this, run last week, will be plenty.

— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) May 17, 2024

[Lathum]

The GOP doesn't care. They will call him a smart businessman

[flere-imsaho]

Really, though, there's no difference on climate change between Biden & Trump.

[RainMaker]

Good idea to run Kari Lake again for a major position.

New CBS News Arizona poll

President
�� Trump 52% �� Biden 47%

US Senate
�� Gallego 49% �� Lake 36%

— umichvoter ��️‍�� (@umichvoter) May 19, 2024

[Lathum]

It never ceases to amaze me that these down ballot MAGAs think they can act like Trump and it will resonate the same.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Really, though, there's no difference on climate change between Biden & Trump.

lol

How US oil production hit a record under Biden despite climate policies

[GrantDawg]

I think maybe this illustrates people don't feel like the economy is good? Adjusted for inflation, the Dow Jones has grown ay less than 1% a year in the last 3 years.

Today’s WSJ. This is the first time I’ve seen that bottom graph. pic.twitter.com/nRSel8FOAE

— Todd Zywicki (@ToddZywicki) May 19, 2024

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ntial-debates/

It'll never happen. Trump can't give a TelePrompted speech without slurring or getting confused. His handlers won't let him near a debate stage.

Damn. I’m not sure if you are confused here. Biden is confused and babbling as hell.

[Lathum]

There is no depth...


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...dia-rcna153214

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I think maybe this illustrates people don't feel like the economy is good? Adjusted for inflation, the Dow Jones has grown ay less than 1% a year in the last 3 years.




trump poured a trillion dollars worth of gasoline on an economy that was growing by 3% per year. I could draw a line between that cash influx and the resulting inflationary impact from it. So you have the leading indicator that household income jumped and then you have the trailing indicator of inflation taking hold in the years following that cash influx.

[Ghost Econ]

So is this the Reich time to talk about the video Trump posted this morning?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna153214

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

So is this the Reich time to talk about the video Trump posted this morning?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna153214

Biden posted the same thing 3 weeks ago on Sportsdigs

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

So is this the Reich time to talk about the video Trump posted this morning?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna153214

Thanks for the video. I did Nazi that.

[Atocep]

It's crazy how right wing news covers Trump and how uninformed GOP voters are in general. I saw sharpiegate referenced on another board by someone on the left and the right wing posters called it an obscure reference and none of them were aware it happened.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's crazy how right wing news covers Trump and how uninformed GOP voters are in general. I saw sharpiegate referenced on another board by someone on the left and the right wing posters called it an obscure reference and none of them were aware it happened.

The echo chamber they have created is astonishing.

In the past I tried to explain things to my very MAGA mother in law, who has gone full on Newsmax because FOX was to left leaning. She usually just glazes over or claims it is fake news. there really is no getting through to these people. I have given up.

[RainMaker]

Echo chambers suck but why is the sharpie thing supposed to matter? It was a dumb, sort of funny thing that ended up being inconsequential. Out of all the legitimate criticisms of Trump, I don't get why there is such a huge focus on inconsequential stuff like whether he farted in court or threw ketchup against the wall. I get that plays with MSNBC viewers but do average citizens really give a shit if they can't find affordable housing or have 6-figure student debt?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Echo chambers suck but why is the sharpie thing supposed to matter? It was a dumb, sort of funny thing that ended up being inconsequential. Out of all the legitimate criticisms of Trump, I don't get why there is such a huge focus on inconsequential stuff like whether he farted in court or threw ketchup against the wall. I get that plays with MSNBC viewers but do average citizens really give a shit if they can't find affordable housing or have 6-figure student debt?

It was another board where it came in passing as a joke and the right wingers didn't get it. Once linked they called it obscure and none of them had apparently heard of it.

It's not a big deal, but it's is an example of how certain things just aren't covered by the same networks that make ice cream and tan suits the end of decomracy.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Just using this thread for a general (rather than General) election comment.

I'd love to have the energy to get myself motivated to run out and vote today but ... well, there's a pair of statewide (judicial "non-partisan" officially, a laughable claim in reality) primaries on my ballot and that's the only contested races. In a state where, God willing, I won't even be by the time either would take office.

I guess I feel juuuuuust enough guilt about not being able to make myself bother with it to acknowledge the shortcoming publicly.

But that's about it.

[molson]

I've playfully thought about running for Democratic nominee for my state's AG's office. I'd probably win. Usually there's no real candidates. It's been a long time since there were even as many as two who ran. I'd definitely be the most experienced public service attorney candidate for that job on the Dem side in many decades. Then I'd get trounced by the Republican nominee in the general election. But I'd be in the history books, and I could use any campaign contributions to pay off hookers, and maybe also order some sweet pint glasses with my slogan on it, which would be, "Molson - why not?" or maybe "Molson - if you were running I'd vote for you."

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by molson

I've playfully thought about running for Democratic nominee for my state's AG's office. I'd probably win. Usually there's no real candidates. It's been a long time since there were even as many as two who ran. I'd definitely be the most experienced public service attorney candidate for that job on the Dem side in many decades. Then I'd get trounced by the Republican nominee in the general election. But I'd be in the history books, and I could use any campaign contributions to pay off hookers, and maybe also order some sweet pint glasses with my slogan on it, which would be, "Molson - why not?" or maybe "Molson - if you were running I'd vote for you."

Molson - Could I really make Idaho any worse?

Molson - Here to deliver because our hospitals can't

[PilotMan]

Molson - Not Canadian; Not Beer; Not Queer either - Idaho ftw!

[molson]

If you guys are willing to quit your jobs and run my campaign, you're hired.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by molson

and maybe also order some sweet pint glasses with my slogan on it, which would be, "Molson - why not?" or maybe "Molson - if you were running I'd vote for you."

This is toooo easy lol


Molson makes it golden
or
Things are different up here.
or
We’ll drink to that.

(Yep, all three have been actual Molson beer slogans in the past)

[JPhillips]

Probably better than I am Canadian!

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by molson

If you guys are willing to quit your jobs and run my campaign, you're hired.

It would continue the tradition of coming to Washington any time the state needs something.

[JPhillips]

Bloomberg has NV tied after NYT had it at Trump +13.

Both are high quality polls, but something is obviously very different.

[cuervo72]

Y'know, didn't it come out that Trump messed with some "famous business man poll"? I don't know exactly how he would do it, but it sure would go with his MO to try to manipulate polls, and then if he didn't win claim it was rigged because LOOK AT THE POLLS! EVERYWHERE HAD ME AHEAD! Of course he wouldn't think/care enough to actually tamper with down-ballot polls.

Now, I doubt anyone is actually doing this, but I wouldn't doubt it would be something he'd try.

[Atocep]

Trump and his cronies are now suggesting the Mar a Lago raid was part of a plan by Biden to use the DOJ to assassinate Trump and he was tipped of prior.


Edit: it's funny that I'm supposed to believe that Biden is incompetent, in deep cognitive decline, and asleep at the wheel while at the same time believing he's a supervillain mastermind constantly making untraceable moves again Trump and MAGA to rig elections and take out his enemies.

[thesloppy]

Isn't that his right, according to Trump's own Complete Presidential Immunity claims?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Isn't that his right, according to Trump's own Complete Presidential Immunity claims?

That only works IF Biden is President.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Bloomberg has NV tied after NYT had it at Trump +13.

Both are high quality polls, but something is obviously very different.

Here's the poll. Still think Nevada is a long shot and Biden's best chance is PA, MI, and WI. Michigan is the monkey wrench because of the high Arab population but the rest of the state/region fits his voting demographic.

New Bloomberg/Morning Consult swing polls

North Carolina: 🟥 Trump +7
Arizona: 🟥 Trump +5
Georgia: 🟥 Trump +3
Pennsylvania: 🟥 Trump +2
Wisconsin: 🟥 Trump +1
Nevada: 🟨 TIED
Michigan: 🟦 Biden +1

— umichvoter 🏳️‍🌈 (@umichvoter) May 22, 2024

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Edit: it's funny that I'm supposed to believe that Biden is incompetent, in deep cognitive decline, and asleep at the wheel while at the same time believing he's a supervillain mastermind constantly making untraceable moves again Trump and MAGA to rig elections and take out his enemies.

Would that be like how Trump was supposed to be colluding with, among others, Russia while he demonstrably couldn't collude with his own hair?

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Would that be like how Trump was supposed to be colluding with, among others, Russia while he demonstrably couldn't collude with his own hair?

Flynn was innocent! That's why Trump pardoned him.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Would that be like how Trump was supposed to be colluding with, among others, Russia while he demonstrably couldn't collude with his own hair?

The exact same. I'm sure thr Biden administration will have an equal number of people indicted for crimes.

[JPhillips]

The basic story of Russiagate was true and confirmed by the GOP senators on the investigating committee. The Russians were hacking Dems, the Trump campaign was sharing info with Russians, and the Russians were using that info to guide what and when they leaked stolen information.

[Passacaglia]

I just don't know how you deal with something like this:

Majority of Americans wrongly believe US is in recession – and most blame Biden | US economy | The Guardian