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Psych is another show that really hasn't progressed plot-wise past season 2 or so, but I think the chemistry between the two main characters is genuine enough it can carry the show through dull patches. White Collar has done a little better job developing supporting characters, but is kind of at a crossroads, and needs a shakeup if they're going to continue on. Suits has done the best at creating a world around the two main characters, to the point my only real complaint is why they keep trying to force the Mike/Rachel like each other, but can't be together because of X scenario... but like all USA shows it's based on a premise (Michael wants to find who burned him, Sean is a fake psychic, we don't know if Neal wants to go straight or set up for a bigger score, Mike? didn't go to Harvard Law) that's fun, but can only really hold up for a season or two before it loses any suspense. Last edited by BishopMVP : 02-02-2013 at 04:10 AM. |
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What I mean by a USA show is that they all tend to give off a campy sort of feel to them. Royal Pains being a good example. I just feel like Suits would fit in just fine on AMC or a Premium Channel.
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I've been an advocate for a long time that if NBC were smart, it would use its cable nets as a farm system to develop cheap, engaging shows, and if they prove to be worthy promote to the broadcast network and reward them with a budget. When you factor in reairings, The top 5 shows on USA would all beat the the average show on NBC. So move Suits to NBC, and let USA try to develop the next show. What's the worst that could happen? Suits could possibly do worse than Do No Harm did -- it's already beating it from cable. USA has a lot of hot, underrated B-list female characters. I'm OK with Rachel on screen as much as possible. |
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Honestly I'm still pissed that TBS cancelled Wedding Band, thought it was a really good entertaining 60 minute adult comedy, something we don't see a lot.
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That was a horrible cancelation. It wasn't the greatest show ever but it was worth watchng. Would have made a great summer show. |
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I would highly doubt it. My bet is that an upcoming story line has this new set of "Titans" trying to find Finch. They gave her his name to have her find him. Now that she's not available they will try other means. The hard drive he has could be a key. |
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I thought the concept of these guys jamming and singing a few songs per episode was more than enough to keep it on the air for a few years. |
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Hmm, I suppose so. I knew she was toast when i saw her pop up on the following a few weeks ago. |
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I definitely agree with you on the latter part, and clearly I'm not the only one - Fairly Legal on USA - Front Office Football Central |
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IIRC Monk started out as an ABC show and only made it a handful of episodes before it got canceled/bought? By USA.
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It's been tried, but very half-assed. ABC developed Monk but never ran first-run episodes before kicking the show to USA, which they owned at the time. During Monk's first season they were airing episodes a week or two after they aired. The tried the same setup again a few years later.
NBC pulled the stunt a couple of times, again airing old episodes. They reran episodes of Psych for a couple of weeks in March a few years ago, then in the summer aired reruns of Psych, Sci-Fi's Battlestar Galactica and Bravo's Project Runway. Regardless, airing old episodes in the summer or burning them off on a Saturday night is hardly a try out. I'd be interested in seeing what Covert Affairs or Suits might do on NBC with the right promotion and time slot. |
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Couple of tidbits for the ratings junkies like myself ...
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On the other end of the football spectrum, NBC has completed their first-to-worst transition now that SNF is done. I still don't know why there was so much hoopla over NBC's fall numbers since it was evident from the math that there demo numbers were entirely boosted by the NFL. Still some mid-season shuffling going on but February sweeps should give us indication of where everyone is. Another note ... Smash absolutely tanked on its return, delivering a 1.1 in the demo. The Betty White birthday special was its lead-in, so you could dismiss it as a bad matchup. But it didn't even keep that audience, so hard to say what will happen when Go On/New Normal are the lead-in. NBC is in sad shape. Last edited by kcchief19 : 02-06-2013 at 03:19 PM. |
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Do No Harm pulled from the schedule. And Christina Applegate quits Up All Night. Go On and the New Normal posting series lows. NBC looking good in regular season.
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The Voice covered up a lot of problems. Early returns so far suggest that Revolution and Go On/New Normal benefited from The Voice lead ins. I know The Voice is coming back this spring, and I'm assuming it's returning to Monday/Tuesday. That will stem some of the bleeding, but now they have a gaping hole on Thursdays to fill. |
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Really happy Smash bombed. Hopefully that means Parenthood is guaranteed a renewal.
Interesting that Letterman won three nights in Households. Kimmel was 3rd every night in Households and was only noticeably strong in 18-49 on Thursday.
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FWIW, TVbythenumbers has it currently as a lock for renewal.
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Really interested in the Americans this week. The Reagan assassination is the focus of the episode.
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Liked the first two episodes but third one was blah. The shows filming is so dark it's tough to see some scenes. Also needs a lot more 80s atmosphere in my opinion. Last edited by rowech : 02-18-2013 at 03:08 PM. |
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I am a little bummed about Do No Harm, thought it was an interesting concept and Steven Pasquale was doing a pretty good job, IMO. Oh well...
Not all that surprised about Up All Night, although that one does bum me out. My wife and I really enjoyed that show and as soon as they announced the whole format switch, I knew it was the kiss of death. Not at all surprised that Applegate wanted out. We also finally got to watching The Americans - VERY much enjoying it thus far. Didn't think I would like Keri Russell as much as I do, but she is doing a bang-up job alongside Matthew Rhys. |
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The NBC cratering continues ...
NBC To Finish 5th In Sweeps For First Time; Network Falls Behind Univision - Yahoo! TV Not a huge surprise because Univision has beaten a network for a month before and has had some very strong single-night showings as well. But to hand it to NBC during a sweeps month when NBC is trying ... ouch. Have to wonder what kind of effect this performance will have on the affiliates -- could be another mini-revolt in the making. Community dropped big in its second week back, so the glimmer of renewal hope offered by the premiere's rating is pretty much gone. Haven't seen tonight's episode, but the first two just weren't the same as the first three seasons. The magic is gone. The Americans has been renewed for season two. Hoping to catch up with that show soon ... sounds like a winner. |
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Question is, where the heck would the angry affiliates go? Finishing 5th means that they're still beating CW or any sort of independent route. Their might be a few flips in a few places if the timing was right but honestly, their options in the vast majority of markets are pretty much nil. They can bitch but I don't know that the network really gives a big crap beyond being annoyed.
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I'm torn between wanting it cancelled and holding out hope that they find a way to change it and make it better. For now its off my DVR, I'll keep reading reviews in hopes that it turns around, but I wouldn't expect it during this 13 episode run, only if it gets extended and they get to learn from how bad this is and try to do something totally different with these characters. |
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I thought the episode was fine. The first episode was bad, but I've liked the last 2. Its never going to be Season 2 again, but that's ok!
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Smash, the New Normal both at .9 and smash hit freshman "comedy" Goon does a 1.1. Yet Betty White scores a 1.3 and a 1.4 somehow. That's your Tuesday NBC
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I don't usually quote myself but in this case maybe a revision is in order. I thought about this thread when the overnight's for Atlanta showed up in my inbox this morning. 8p Community -- 1.2 HH rtg ... that's 7th among broadcast networks, trailing not only the big three but also Ind. WPCH (1.6 Meet The Browns syndication) and UPN WUPA (2.0 Vampire Diaries) and Ind. WATL (1.2 White Collar syndication) 830p Parks & Rec -- 0.9 HH rtg ... 7th among broadcast ... trailing Ind WPCH (House of Payne syn) and the 2nd half of shows on WUPA & WATL 9p Parks & Rec -- 0.9 HH rtg ... 7th among broadcast ... behind the big three as well as another ep of Meet the Browns syn. , another ep of White Collar syn. and Beauty & the Beast. 930p 1600 Penn -- 0.5 HH rtg ... 7th among broadcast, behind more Payne and the 2nd half of the other shows 10p L&O SVU -- 1.7 HH rtg for the hour ... 4th among broadcast as it edged out WPCH Seinfeld syn (1.4), WUPA HIMYM (0.5) and WATL (0.2) local news*/30 Rock syn combo. Also 1135p Leno beat everything in NBC prime with a 1.8 HH, and the first half of 1235a Fallon beat the whole 830p-10p block with a 1.0 (finished with a 0.8 for the entire hour). *Somewhat ironically considering the discussion here, the local NBC affiliate produces a 10p newscast for indy WATL. Also noting here that I used HH rtg for the comparison but the primary demo A18-49 ratings were even lower for every NBC show except the 9p Parks & Rec
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So, should NBC consider putting Leno back at 10 PM? How much further can they fall before we see some panic change?
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That's pretty crazy. I know they have bad shows, but not all are bad. Maybe it's just been years of this that has dragged the network down and people aren't clicking to NBA.
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The greater threat is dumping worthless network programming for better performing syndicated or cheaper local programming. If you're losing money on news because NBC primetime is sucking you need to make that money elsewhere. Maybe you do that by dumping the third or fourth hours of Today and going with local news. Maybe you push Fallon back an hour and load in your reruns of The Big Bang Theory and 2 1/2 Men. Since NBC doesn't even try on Fridays and Saturdays, maybe you dump that for local sports or a movie. That helps you but hurts NBC. Our NBC local affiliate here has been known to preempt primetime reruns for local news specials. |
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Most of the markets I'm seeing at the moment are getting more out of Today II & III than their midday locals (I know it was just an example, I just happen to kinda notice that this week). And unless they already own them, those syndi strips probably aren't going to outperform Fallon (who isn't awful really, ratings wise). The dumping Fridays/Saturdays angle, that I can see. (A lot of Sat/Sun afternoons too).
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KC has two examples of this working. The ABC affiliate still bumps Kimmel to an hour after the late local news following 2 1/2 Men and Big Bang Theory. They've used this strategy for a couple of decades now, going back to when MASH and later Seinfeld filled those slots. They still perform so well that they refused pressure from ABC to bump the comedy slot when Kimmel moved to 11:30. I haven't seen Kimmel's clearance number, so I wonder if he's suffering from not having the same clearance percentage Nightline had. The CBS affiliate here bumps Ferguson a half hour for Insider. Not sure how it impacts their ratings, but I know it helps the bottom line. Even $500 extra a night adds up over a year. |
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The only option I see to save the show is get it off NBC. Comedy Central already owns the syndication, so they have a financial investment in saving the show. Maybe they pick it up ala Futurama. Maybe it's worthy of a Netflix investment. Pick up the show, can the new producers and bring Dan Harman back. Only way to save the show. Otherwise, kill it. |
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That was some modified version of the Tonight show. I wonder if moving the Tonight Show to 10pm would actually work now. Anyways, I think NBC should invest in more football related programming in the fall...maybe like a reality show and some sort of talking heads prime time show with celebrities making picks. |
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In 2009, The Jay Leno Show in prime time Tuesday nights average a 2.0 rating in the 18-49 demo and 6 million viewers. That ranked 69th in the demo and 83rd among viewers for all shows that season. Those numbers this year would make it a top 25 who in the demo and a top 40 show among viewers. That said, if Leno were back in prime today his numbers would be worse as well. Probably a lot worse since his lead-ins would be even more awful. I think we should start a thread to come up with ideas on how to save NBC. |
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A TV draft doesn't sound like a bad idea. Form a network, fill all the agreed upon time slots.
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Ok..here's what I was thinking
10 rounds 4 networks, 3 players per network Each network will program 5 nights (sunday to thursday) and 16 hours One member will head the team and organize the schedule. He will also have the ability to create/program up to 6hrs/week of event programming and may select when his team is on the clock/allocate his team's 2 selections per round Head of comedy programming-will develop/acquire/remake comedy programming. Director of dramatic programming-similar to comedy. Each team may make up to 8 hours of projects from the following 3 areas -original programming -existing programming -remake/adaptation programming And may choose the lead actor of the show. Once the actor is selected he is booked and cannot be selected again. For example if "Tom Sellick as Magnum PI solving crimes in a retirement community" us chosen, nobody can draft "Blue Bloods" Thoughts Last edited by stevew : 02-22-2013 at 11:54 PM. |
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