World Politics

[Edward64]

Oh com'on, frak me ...

GD and RM - Flasch is going to blame me for your BS crap ...

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

No, you seemed to imply that the killing of civilians was unique to Hamas. Just pointing out that countless oppressed groups do it and Israel is a much bigger culprit of murdering innocent civilians and taking hostages.

no, I haven't. Nor has anyone else here. But I will deny that anything has been done to justify the beheading of babies, the kidnapping of civilians, or suicide bomb attacks.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Oh com'on, frak me ...

GD and RM - Flasch is going to blame me for your BS crap ...

How about we also agree the Flasch takes Edward complaints to the Edward thread. It was really unnecessary here.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

How about we also agree the Flasch takes Edward complaints to the Edward thread. It was really unnecessary here.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

no, I haven't. Nor has anyone else here. But I will deny that anything has been done to justify the beheading of babies, the kidnapping of civilians, or suicide bomb attacks.

Agree. Those are bad things and I don't think people should do it.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Agree. Those are bad things and I don't think people should do it.

Then we are in agreement. Sing Kumbaya?

[RainMaker]

Yes, killing of innocent civilians is bad.

[Flasch186]

If you read my posts, they weren’t complaining about his posts but that it was changing from the subject to debating more about his statements which would go to the other thread. I thought that’s why the other thread was made. For when a debate shifts from the topic to more about his definitions and such and then he went on the attack. I did a smh emoji to show that he didn’t get what I was saying in that I thought it was the exact reason the other thread was made.


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[Edward64]

[RainMaker]



Worth noting that there is going to be a ton of misinformation put out there in the coming weeks. This story was reported on by i24, which is essentially state-run media for Netanyahu loyalists.

The story could be true, but I'd wait till actual independent journalists confirm. This might take a while considering Israel's penchant for murdering journalists. Israel has a long history of lying about stuff like this and we should be certain before blasting out these stories as fact.

[GrantDawg]

CBS News is confirming the reports.

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[RainMaker]

Do you have a link to it?

[GrantDawg]

Doesn't share great from mobile, but:
https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/st...XI18s2Gjw&s=19

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[GrantDawg]

Of course the President referred to it as well.

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[RainMaker]

Yeah, the story is coming from interviews with Israeli soldiers. Definitely could have happened, but not the most trustworthy source. Worth mentioning that the reporter everyone is sourcing has sort of backtracked the initial report saying the soldiers she interviewed didn't witness anything, they just believe that's what happened.

I would say the same for reports out of Gaza. Take with a grain of salt until verified by actual reporters on the ground.




[JPhillips]

Honestly, it sounded similar to the Kuwaiti reports that Saddam's soldiers threw babies out of ventilators. It wouldn't surprise me if we later found out there was no evidence for the beheaded babies claim.

Not that it makes the attacks any better or more acceptable.

[Edward64]

Spoiler

Still jumpy around the self-declared FOFC arbiter of what is appropriate in this thread, but since there now have been 3 separate people commenting on the same topic, I figure I'm safe.

I personally find it hard to believe about babies being beheaded. I can easily see this as intentional propaganda or just honest misinterpretation of events/reports. I know it's definitely possible, but I find it hard to believe anyone could be that savage and would want real proof that it wasn't a one-off crazy person.

With that said, if there is proof and it wasn't a one-off crazy person, and Hamas does not apologize and promise to punish the perps ... then this is a 10 on the atrocity scale.

[RainMaker]

There is definitely evidence of a massacre near the border. There is a very good chance that many children are among the dead. That is horrible enough news.

Maybe the beheading stuff is real, but it's odd that Israel isn't confirming and more or less letting rumors take a life of their own. There is always this kind of stuff happening during wars to gain public support. JPhillips mentioned the baby incubators in Kuwait.

It's a way of dehumanizing your enemy more and covering for atrocities your own side commits. The argument of "both sides are killing innocent children, but the one side does it in a more barbaric manner" works on the public.

There is some good news I guess. The one woman who was at the rave and shown in the back of a pickup truck is apparently alive and in a hospital. Hopefully the German government can work on bringing her home safely.

Israel: Deutsche Shani Louk im Gaza-Krankenhaus? Mutter: „Jede Minute ist kritisch“ | News | BILD.de

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

There is some good news I guess. The one woman who was at the rave and shown in the back of a pickup truck is apparently alive and in a hospital. Hopefully the German government can work on bringing her home safely.

Israel: Deutsche Shani Louk im Gaza-Krankenhaus? Mutter: „Jede Minute ist kritisch“ | News | BILD.de

Honestly, IMO pretty good odds that is propaganda also. Comes from a Palestinian source.

From the video I saw with her naked, twisted leg in an unnatural angle, paraded around in a truck ... my guess is she was murdered.

But easy enough to prove it, they should do a quick video as proof of life.

[RainMaker]

Not surprised he was able to hide out in the US for so long but holy shit. There is a great documentary on Netflix about Victor.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/hs...icial-killings

[GrantDawg]

You know, Steven Colbert has Anastasio Somoza's pants.

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[Edward64]

This is good, hope it works out (and fast).

Question is where will they go and if Israel will let them return once its "over".

US talking to Israel, Egypt about safe passage for Gaza civilians -White House | Reuters

The U.S. is talking with Israel and Egypt about the idea of a safe passage for Gaza civilians as Israel strikes the enclave after a deadly Hamas attack over the weekend, U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan said on Tuesday.

"We are focused on this question, there are consultations going on," Sullivan told reporters at the White House.

"But the details of that are something that are being discussed among the operational agencies and I don't want to share too much of that publicly at this time," Sullivan said.

[CrimsonFox]

Well the Israelis answered by obliterating the parts of Gaza that Hamas missed. That's definitely an answer!

[Brian Swartz]

Also bombing the area of the Rafah crossing which ... won't help any evacuation plan. I know there are legitimate targets there like smuggling tunnels, but it's also like ...

- Leave Gaza now
- But both of your exits that we control are of course closed
- And we're also going to bomb the only available exit left to you
- But leave Gaza now, and good luck dodging the gifts our planes are dropping.
- And who knows if Egypt will even allow you to.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Well the Israelis answered by obliterating the parts of Gaza that Hamas missed. That's definitely an answer!

Israel has been shelling. Lots of black smoke. I kinda admire the operators, you can hear them talking and doing something in the background with the sound of artillery interrupting them every so often.

Live Webcams From Gaza | Conflict Zone âš* | Palestine Israel Gaza Strip - YouTube

[CrimsonFox]

I kind of feel we are now in "If I can't have it, no one can" territory between gaming nerds.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Israeli's have been shelling. Lots of black smoke. I kinda admire the operators, you can hear them talking and doing something in the background with the sound of artillery interrupting them every so often.

Live Webcams From Gaza | Conflict Zone âš* | Palestine Israel Gaza Strip - YouTube

They are making their football bets.

[GrantDawg]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/t...smid=url-share

[Flasch186]

This was talked about somewhere up above




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[GrantDawg]

Interestingly enough, it is only the 63rd most densely populated area in the world. Of course the border situation making it impossible to leave is what makes it worse.

[NobodyHere]

And what a surprise. Black Lives Matters support Hamas.

I'm shocked I tellz ya.

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[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

And what a surprise. Black Lives Matters support Hamas.

I'm shocked I tellz ya.

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Yesterday we sent out msgs that we aren’t proud of. We stand with Palestine & the people who will do what they must to live free. Our hearts are with, the grieving mothers, those rescuing babies from rubble, who are in danger of being wiped out completely🇵🇸♥️🖤💚

— BLMChicago (@BLMChi) October 11, 2023

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

And what a surprise. Black Lives Matters support Hamas.

I'm shocked I tellz ya.

Insert popular pointing Spiderman image

[GrantDawg]

“One can support Palestinians, mourn their suffering — for they, too, are victims of Hamas — and even criticize Israeli policies, while also acknowledging the devastating loss of life among Jews, without blaming them for their own murders.” My latest. https://t.co/gWJTSw1mcP

— S.E. Cupp (@secupp) October 11, 2023

[RainMaker]

I know they're trying to help but Red Cross is getting to a point where they're just sacrificing their workers.

11 UN staff members and 5 Red Crescent members have been killed in Israeli airstrikes in Gaza since Saturday

— BNO News (@BNONews) October 11, 2023

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I know they're trying to help but Red Cross is getting to a point where they're just sacrificing their workers.





Red Cross active warzone volunteers and War Journalist have to have a special kind of bravery/crazy.

[RainMaker]

Yeah, it takes insane courage to do that. Especially when Israel directly targets them.

[GrantDawg]

Biden confirms he has seen the pictures of beheaded children:

BREAKING: Biden tells heads of the U.S. Jewish organizations: “It matters that Americans see what is happening. I have doing this a long time – I never thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children”

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 11, 2023

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

And what a surprise. Black Lives Matters support Hamas.

There's a difference between standing with Palestinians and standing with Hamas.

[Edward64]

I was thinking it was just the Chicago group but apparently not.

Israel war: Black Lives Matter supports Palestinians after deadly Hamas terror attack | News | gazette.com

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

There's a difference between standing with Palestinians and standing with Hamas.

True.

But then shouldn't they say "we condemn the Hamas atrocities against civilians etc. However, we support the Palestinian people etc."

[GrantDawg]

The initial post wasn't definitely supporting the attacks. There are people on the far left that have no problems with Hamas and their tactics.

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[Brian Swartz]

Absolutely they should IMO. The people who stand with Israel, including our President, should also do so while condemning their mistreatment of the Palestinians, the illegal settlements, and so on. And they aren't doing that either.

In my view, anybody who looks at this conflict, and is fine saying 'I support X side' without qualification fits into one of two categories:

- They need to be educated on the basic facts of the situation. Many, many people know a lot more than I do, and I can't see it that way.

- They're willing to ignore the atrocities committed by the side they support. IMO, this position is unconscionable.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I was thinking it was just the Chicago group but apparently not.

Israel war: Black Lives Matter supports Palestinians after deadly Hamas terror attack | News | gazette.com

whooooooooooooooooooa!

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I was thinking it was just the Chicago group but apparently not.

Israel war: Black Lives Matter supports Palestinians after deadly Hamas terror attack | News | gazette.com

How bad can you be at phrasing after the atrocities that have come to light. Fuck them, which is echoed by my very black wife.

And to edit: Israel is not to be absolved for things they have done either, but again, this is as gruesome as anything that has happened over there, and if you are going support Palestine, which is perfectly fine, at least condemn the terrorist actions of Hamas, and strongly at that.

[CrimsonFox]

First of all I don't want to stand with anyone bercause I'm lazy and would rather just lie here.
And second....um.....no.
Thirdly, I don't like either side. Is there another option?
I mean they don't even know why they are fighting anymore. Is it for land? DOubt it since they keep blowing up said land.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

First of all I don't want to stand with anyone bercause I'm lazy and would rather just lie here.
And second....um.....no.
Thirdly, I don't like either side. Is there another option?
I mean they don't even know why they are fighting anymore. Is it for land? DOubt it since they keep blowing up said land.

Just another day killing people in the name of histories #1 cause of death and destruction.

[GrantDawg]

A woman? I KID. I KID.

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[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

A woman? I KID. I KID.

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Biden confirms he has seen the pictures of beheaded children:

BREAKING: Biden tells heads of the U.S. Jewish organizations: “It matters that Americans see what is happening. I have doing this a long time – I never thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children”

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 11, 2023

This did not happen. Joe having a senior moment.