Werewolf XLVII City of Wonder (Game Over!)

[path12]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'll give you a hint. It's cronin.

Wouldn't really expect you to say differently.

[path12]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Too easy. Gain trust. I doubt he even scanned me. He's a wolf, he knows I'm a villager. He had no idea that path would scan me as well.

Since I traded idents with cronin, path's scan of me came back a wolf. I love this game.

OK, I see more where you're getting at now. Why did you pick Cronin to switch identities with?

[saldana]

btw, anyone know what time the deadline is?

[path12]

I think it's 10:30 eastern still.

[Poli]

use the force, luke. one of the 3 of us are lieing.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by path12

OK, I see more where you're getting at now. Why did you pick Cronin to switch identities with?

That's an easy one. Cronin kept hinting that I was bad, okay not hinting, saying. I figured if the wolves tried to attack me, he'd be a goner.

I also figured if someone scanned me, I'd at least know what cronin was.

I was slightly disappointed to see CR die instead of cronin.

[path12]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

use the force, luke. one of the 3 of us are lieing.

I know that. I didn't consider the identity switch. I'm trying to decide whether to believe you or not.

So why did you decide to switch ID last night with Cronin?

[path12]

Dola, nevermind. Typing while you had posted.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by path12

I know that. I didn't consider the identity switch. I'm trying to decide whether to believe you or not.

So why did you decide to switch ID last night with Cronin?

No problem. That was intended for saldana, btw. My brother showed up just as I tried to send it. He's trying to download some song off of torrentz or something. Mary J Blige Don't Break My Heart or some junk. He can't find it. It's great.

[path12]

Ardent, did you get any messages from last night?

[Poli]

I was told I got the charm initially, then another message saying I didn't. The only messages I got were those.

[Poli]

Now that I think of it, that could mean cronin actually got the charm.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Identity Switch – Causes the player using to switch identities with another player for the night. The player whose identity has been switched will not know of the switch. If used no other item may be used that night or the following night. If it has not been used after 2 nights it will be given to another player randomly. This item leaves the game after being used.

Wolf Scanner – Is used to scan if another player is a wolf. That player will know if they are scanned. If not used on a night it will be given randomly to another player. Once it has been used it will leave the game.

Posted for reference.

So I'm just wondering. If I go with the premise that Ardent used the ID switch then:

Cronin gets the message he was scanned? Or gets the message that Ardent was scanned? But if that is the case then why would Cronin (who did come out against Ardent yesterday evening) all of sudden decide to clear him publicly?

[Poli]

Well, I didn't get anything like that.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

The scream shot out across the city like an arrow. People leave their houses to try and find what the commotion is and finally it is found:

Chief Rum has been killed by the wolves. You have now lost two citizens. Are you any closer to finding the wolves? Hopefully the answer will be yes after today.

I rushed home for this?!? Bah! You all can bite me (and some of you already have).

Good luck, villagers!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Well, I didn't get anything like that.

You didn't receive knowledge that you were scanned? Another wrinkle.

[LoneStarGirl]

hmmm I dont have much time to wait around for everybody else to come and voice their opinions but right now it looks like cronin vs AE. And nothing against AE but Cronin is a much better wolf. Plus I really do buy the whole idea that Cronin said he scanned Ardent to gain trust. When reality Cronin is a wolf and would know Ardent isn't, therefore getting in his circle of trust.

vote cronin

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You didn't receive knowledge that you were scanned? Another wrinkle.

Yep, kinda weird.

[Passacaglia]

Well, even though that's weird, I'm still going to put in a vote for cronin.

VOTE ST.CRONIN

[Poli]

Good call, pass.

[Poli]

Only thing I can think of is that cronin believes he was somehow scanned as a villager.

[saldana]

anyone got a vote count

[st.cronin]

Well, boy.

unvote path12
vote ardent

Ardent is lying. I know I'm a villager, I scanned ardent, and got a villager read. I don't know what's up with path, and ardent's story makes no sense to me.

[Poli]

I am not lieing. Sorry.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Vote count:

3 Ardent – path (191), alan (204), Lathum (257)
1 Path – st.cronin(223)
2 Cronin – ntn (294), hoops (279)

4 votes since for cronin.

1 vote to me, moved from path.

[saldana]

so its cronin 6, ardent 4, with 3 votes missing.

[Poli]

yeah, think so.

Me, you, pass, LSG voted cronin.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

yeah, think so.

Me, you, pass, LSG voted cronin.

and render, ntn, and GE are the ones missing

[Poli]

I saw GE earlier, guess he didn't know what to think of all this.

[st.cronin]

I don't believe I was scanned, ftr. Think about it: If I was a wolf, and I thought I got scanned, wouldn't I come out calling somebody a wolf? How can you make my play make sense if I'm a wolf?

[st.cronin]

I'll be honest, I don't know what to make of all this either.

[Poli]

What I know:

1. I swapped with you.

2. You say you scanned me. I'm good.

3. Path says he scanned me. I'm bad.

One of you is wrong. I'm thinking it's you because I switched with you.

[Alan T]

Just got back from the movies and skimmed through but think I read enough to have a decent understanding of what was going on. We actually got to the movies late, so didnt get to see the movie she wanted to see (Knocked up), so we ended up going with her next pick (Evan Almighty) instead of the ones I wanted to see... I want my 2 hours back now...

Anyways, someone correct me please if I am wrong.. the way things happened since I was gone..

Ardent comes explains he did the identity switch, blasts cronin, people move around votes and its now 6-4 Cronin with 3 people left to vote?

I still don't know if I believe Ardent one bit, and wonder if this is a way to try to save him now. Either way its now Cronin vs Ardent vs Path? With path saying Cronin and Ardent is bad, Cronin saying Path is bad and now Ardent is bad? And Ardent saying path is good and cronin is bad...

I think in light of what all happened while I was gone gives me enough to move my vote

Unvote Ardent
Vote cronin

However I still don't think I trust Ardent, I don't understand why Cronin comes out the way he did about Ardent in this current scenerio if Ardent is good. Or am I missing something?

Going back through to reread again to make sure I didn't misread stuff.

[Alan T]

Ardent, what charm are you talking about that you said you got then didn't get?

[Poli]

I got a PM saying I received the charm of persuasion (or whatever it is). I thought, wow, someone just hooked me up. I then had a PM later in the day stating I didn't actually get it.

I say "later", when in reality I got them both at the same time, which was right about the time I got here this afternoon.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I got a PM saying I received the charm of persuasion (or whatever it is). I thought, wow, someone just hooked me up. I then had a PM later in the day stating I didn't actually get it.

I say "later", when in reality I got them both at the same time, which was right about the time I got here this afternoon.

Hmm..

DT had a Charm of persuasion and a crystal ball yesterday when he died. My understanding is that goes to someone who voted for DT yesterday randomly.

So I think I am still not certain on all of the scenerios here..

1) Cronin good, Ardent good, Path good - I really don't see any way this is possible now. Someone in this group has to be bad.

2) Cronin bad, Ardent good, Path good - If this is true, why would cronin come out right away saying Ardent was good. Ardent says he ID switched with cronin and that explains why Path got a wolf read on ardent.

3) Cronin good, Ardent good, Path bad - Cronin and Ardent both are good and Cronin's scan of Ardent would show up as it did. If this is true, why does Path come out and lie about his scan of Ardent out of the blue? What would he as a wolf have to gain from this? And furthermore, why doesnt Ardent get notification from either of the scans? The rules say he should have...

4) Cronin good, Ardent bad, Path good - I don't see how this is possible now with what Ardent told us. I think either path or cronin have to be bad now.

5) Cronin bad, Ardent good, Path bad - I guess this is possible, but why on earth would Path come out to dispute cronin's claim if they both were on the same team. makes zero sense to me at all.

6) Cronin bad, Ardent bad, Path bad - Just like #5, I would never understand this move at all. Would seem like an incredibly silly way to try to gain trust for one person by risking 2 others. Unless they just were all bored by the normal wolf game so wanted to make it interesting.

7) Cronin bad, Ardent bad, Path good - Same thing as #2 with the exception that after seeing things going down hill with a wolf - wolf run off today Ardent comes up with a new story to try to create distance between him and Cronin so whichever dies the other will be a bit more trusted. My problem with this scenerio is that if Ardent is lynched first, ends up bad, then Cronin has explaining to do anyhows and it doesnt buy him much.

So looking at all possibilities, I still only see #2, #3 or #7 as the real strong possibilities. IN the 3 cases Cronin is bad in 2/3, Ardent 1/3 and Path 1/3, which is the main reason I moved my vote. If Cronin ends up being bad and Ardent is good, then I really would love after the game this to be explained to what the motivation behind today's move was. Just seemed too risky for so little possible trust gained even if it went off foolproof.

[GoldenEagle]

Letting everyone know I am here and checking in. I will be catching up now.

[Poli]

My only guess is what I explained before. He, being a wolf, would know I "should" come up as a villager.

What I'd like to hear, after the game, is what the wolves thought when path claimed I was a wolf. I bet that was entertaining.

[Poli]

Might explain how cronin came up with my explanation. He was probably scratching his head about how this came unwound.

[Poli]

Triple dola: Happy birthday, GE!

[Lathum]

I just got home and without reading the whole thread it looks like Cronin is going down. I am gonna switch votes so the chance of an item falling into the hands of a wolf decreases.

any objections?

UNVOTE ARDENT
VOTE ST> CRONIN

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Hmm..

DT had a Charm of persuasion and a crystal ball yesterday when he died. My understanding is that goes to someone who voted for DT yesterday randomly.

So I think I am still not certain on all of the scenerios here..

1) Cronin good, Ardent good, Path good - I really don't see any way this is possible now. Someone in this group has to be bad.

2) Cronin bad, Ardent good, Path good - If this is true, why would cronin come out right away saying Ardent was good. Ardent says he ID switched with cronin and that explains why Path got a wolf read on ardent.

3) Cronin good, Ardent good, Path bad - Cronin and Ardent both are good and Cronin's scan of Ardent would show up as it did. If this is true, why does Path come out and lie about his scan of Ardent out of the blue? What would he as a wolf have to gain from this? And furthermore, why doesnt Ardent get notification from either of the scans? The rules say he should have...

4) Cronin good, Ardent bad, Path good - I don't see how this is possible now with what Ardent told us. I think either path or cronin have to be bad now.

5) Cronin bad, Ardent good, Path bad - I guess this is possible, but why on earth would Path come out to dispute cronin's claim if they both were on the same team. makes zero sense to me at all.

6) Cronin bad, Ardent bad, Path bad - Just like #5, I would never understand this move at all. Would seem like an incredibly silly way to try to gain trust for one person by risking 2 others. Unless they just were all bored by the normal wolf game so wanted to make it interesting.

7) Cronin bad, Ardent bad, Path good - Same thing as #2 with the exception that after seeing things going down hill with a wolf - wolf run off today Ardent comes up with a new story to try to create distance between him and Cronin so whichever dies the other will be a bit more trusted. My problem with this scenerio is that if Ardent is lynched first, ends up bad, then Cronin has explaining to do anyhows and it doesnt buy him much.

So looking at all possibilities, I still only see #2, #3 or #7 as the real strong possibilities. IN the 3 cases Cronin is bad in 2/3, Ardent 1/3 and Path 1/3, which is the main reason I moved my vote. If Cronin ends up being bad and Ardent is good, then I really would love after the game this to be explained to what the motivation behind today's move was. Just seemed too risky for so little possible trust gained even if it went off foolproof.

I don't want anyone thinking I tried to hide this. I think it's most likely 2, doubtful 3, and no way 7.

[GoldenEagle]

Thanks AE.

I hate that i could only scan this thread. But work + birthday = bad combination for playing WW. I got to admit, I am confused by all of this. But, I guess I will vote st. cronin for now and just see what happens. My mind is still processing all of the information.

VOTE ST.CRONIN

[Barkeep49]

Here's what I've got:
2 Ardent – path (191), cronin (323)
9 Cronin – ntn (294), hoops (279), ardent (292), saldana (300), LSG (317), pass (319), alan (333), lathum (341), GE (343)

No vote: Render & Swaggs

[Poli]

If cronin's a wolf, it's celebration time.

[Alan T]

I think it would be really smart if people have the ability to check out Ardent tonight. If Cronin is bad, then I still don't trust him here. If Cronin is good then I think we have to assume that Path is bad, but it doesnt necessarily mean Ardent is bad..

If that makes sense, it did in my head at least

[Poli]

I'm betting we're about to have a wolf bbq. Who brought the sauce?

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think it would be really smart if people have the ability to check out Ardent tonight. If Cronin is bad, then I still don't trust him here. If Cronin is good then I think we have to assume that Path is bad, but it doesnt necessarily mean Ardent is bad..

If that makes sense, it did in my head at least

If cronin is bad, be my guest. At least we get a wolf in the trade.

[Poli]

I'm just a wee bit giddy that I may have helped get a wolf. To think, I wasn't sure if using the ident switch would help. I figured, heck if they come after me on the first day again at least I get a giggle out of it.

Maybe we got a wolf instead! Bonus!

[st.cronin]

boooooooo