Werewolf: The Rebirth (Game Over! Thank you for playing)

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Game On

Day zero deadline is 10 PM EST.

For the decisions please make your votes in one post (all votes). If you wish to change a vote , repost your votes and highlight the unvote and revote change.

Example:

Leader EagleFan
Scientist SkyDog
Engineer Wignasty
Sherriff jbmagic
Doctor Hornsmaniac
Project Biodome

seriously I want to meet these Skydogs, Wignasty, and Hornsmaniac cats. They sound like hoopy froods that I want to party with!

[CrimsonFox]

Danny, you are sooooooo behind in posting.

[DanGarion]

Don't know who Danny is... since I don't go by that it must not be me. But I don't post here much anymore since I don't play well with the mods at times and I have a almost 2 year old at home now.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Don't know who Danny is... since I don't go by that it must not be me. But I don't post here much anymore since I don't play well with the mods at times and I have a almost 2 year old at home now.

no. Danny is Danny.
DanGarion is Dan Garion
And

[DanGarion]

I haven't seen Danny post at all so I just figured you were talking to me...

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Don't know who Danny is... since I don't go by that it must not be me. But I don't post here much anymore since I don't play well with the mods at times and I have a almost 2 year old at home now.

You should hang with me then. Me and the mods are really TIGHT!

[Grover]

Leader DanGarion
Scientist timmae
Engineer Grover
Sheriff Thomkal
Doctor Chief Rum
Project Biodome

[Grover]

So a little bit more about me, because I was asked. I'm a professional astronaut, an engineer and scientist by trade. I voluntarily spent two years working on the ISS, mostly because I thought it would be a once in a lifetime opportunity. However, it looks like it was a twice in a lifetime opportunity as I'm now heading for Mars with all of you.

I voted Biodome, because I think this is a more important factor than setting up a true government at the moment. We can do that once everyone is settled. There's only 21 (22?) of us and I'm not worried about massive arguments breaking out and anarchy reigning on Mars. We have time. I still feel as if I would be the idea leader for our government. I can teach you things about space that most of the rest of you wouldn't know. I was the leader of my ISS mission and can be your leader on Mars. I can settle for being the engineer on this first project though. We need that biodome. We need it quick.

[EagleFan]

As of post 308

Leader
DanGarion 3 - timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
fontisian 2 - Shoveler (246), fontisian (292)
Thomkal 1 - CrimsonFox (297)
Zinto 1 - Zinto (265)
CrimsonFox 1 - britrock88 (210)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Scientist
timmae 6 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307)
Raven 2 - Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Engineer
Grover 8 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Sherriff
britrock88 4 - britrock88 (210), Zinto (265), fontisian (292), CrimsonFox (297)
Thomkal 2 - DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
Shoveler 2 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Doctor
Chief Rum 5 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
Autumn 3 - britrock88 (210), Thomkal (231), Zinto (265)
ntndeacon 1 - CrimsonFox (297)

Project
Government 5 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Biodome 4 - Thomkal (231), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307)

Yet to Vote
Autumn, Chief Rum, The Jackal, Suicane75, Schmidty, ntndeacon, JAG, saldana, GoldenEagle, Raven, Danny, Narcizo, SharkN20

[Narcizo]

Not really a fantastic lot to go on really. As far as I can see all we really can make any informed decision on is the leader. The other roles are probably largely ability-related. I had a natural wariness of people pushing themselves to the forefront too much but based on my own goals I can see why they would want to.

I am tempted to vote fontisian as leader because I feel that, as a cutting-edge extraterrestial colony, we need a tall, honourable, sword-wielding woman in charge.

[Narcizo]

Surprised that Government is ahead of Biodome at the moment. I guess/hope it's a result of people being used to voting and whatnot in Werewolf games and wanting to make sure that we can all do that. But how much governing does 22 people need? Surely we need to ensure that we're able to survive self-sufficently more that than anything else. As such my votes will be landing on people voting for the biodome. Having said that I wonder if I'm the only one I find Grover's back-story to be a little bit too good to be true. But I was always a cynic. Still I suppose when you have the B Ark likes of a history professor and a retired politician you have to have some people who are actually pretty useful.

[CrimsonFox]

huh it's that close? okay then

Change one vote:
Leader-> CrimsonFox

[CrimsonFox]

Hi Narcizo
How's scotland treating you

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Not really a fantastic lot to go on really. As far as I can see all we really can make any informed decision on is the leader. The other roles are probably largely ability-related. I had a natural wariness of people pushing themselves to the forefront too much but based on my own goals I can see why they would want to.

I am tempted to vote fontisian as leader because I feel that, as a cutting-edge extraterrestial colony, we need a tall, honourable, sword-wielding woman in charge.

then why didn't we vote for saldana?
(sorry couldn't resist )

[Zinto]

I am not sure why the people making a case for the biodome are making it seem like it is the only viable option. And as Jag pointed out EF implied that all of the options are open to us and we aren't going to instantly die without one of them.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Chief of WHAT Staff for autumn?
Was he the guy on West WIng?

Hah. I will clarify, that I was Chief of Staff of Boston General. I know how to run an entire medical facility, manage doctors and get things built and running. I'm sure NTN and Chief are great at medicine, and it seems from the rules that we will have multiple people working on medical tasks when needed, so that will help. But I think I make best sense to lead the facility. Vote where you want though, I don't get any particular bonus by being in charge.

[EagleFan]

As of post 315

Leader
DanGarion 3 - timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
fontisian 2 - Shoveler (246), fontisian (292)
CrimsonFox 2 - britrock88 (210), CrimsonFox (312)
Zinto 1 - Zinto (265)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Scientist
timmae 6 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307)
Raven 2 - Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Engineer
Grover 8 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Sherriff
britrock88 4 - britrock88 (210), Zinto (265), fontisian (292), CrimsonFox (297)
Thomkal 2 - DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
Shoveler 2 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Doctor
Chief Rum 5 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
Autumn 3 - britrock88 (210), Thomkal (231), Zinto (265)
ntndeacon 1 - CrimsonFox (297)

Project
Government 5 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Biodome 4 - Thomkal (231), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307)

Yet to Vote
Autumn, Chief Rum, The Jackal, Suicane75, Schmidty, ntndeacon, JAG, saldana, GoldenEagle, Raven, Danny, Narcizo, SharkN20

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Zinto

To be fair I am sure the reason you started the game wanting to be the doctor is the same I want to be the leader. I will gain a benefit that will help the team if I become the leader and I think that is a better reason than voting for JAG who may get a benefit from becoming the sheriff.

No, I only started the game wanting to be doctor because my role suggests I'd be the best at it. I do not get any benefit, and so I am hesitant to vote for those who say they do without knowing more about that.

[Autumn]

Leader Fontisian
Scientist Raven
Engineer Grover
Sheriff JAG
Doctor Autumn
Project Biodome

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Autumn

No, I only started the game wanting to be doctor because my role suggests I'd be the best at it. I do not get any benefit, and so I am hesitant to vote for those who say they do without knowing more about that.

Odd that you voted Font for leader right after saying this as she has came out and claimed having an ability that will be beneficial if she becomes the leader

[timmae]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

other "science items"? again this does not sound like a warming endorsement. Were you a teacher? A chemist? a Geologist? just read a book on it?
and yeah not to pick on you or anything

Lol, science items was just my term... Trying not to quote exact statements from my PM in order to play by the rules. I have studied science all of my life... (that is all I have to go on at this point). I do think that it must be legit as my skill rating there is quite good. To me this states I can't really be a full whack job but we don't know what EF has in store for us. I think my scientific skill will help the scientific group either way as EF explained the connections but having high attributes in your key category should help the entire group I would think.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

then why didn't we vote for saldana?
(sorry couldn't resist )

I see what you did there. Nicely played!

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by timmae

Lol, science items was just my term... Trying not to quote exact statements from my PM in order to play by the rules. I have studied science all of my life... (that is all I have to go on at this point). I do think that it must be legit as my skill rating there is quite good. To me this states I can't really be a full whack job but we don't know what EF has in store for us. I think my scientific skill will help the scientific group either way as EF explained the connections but having high attributes in your key category should help the entire group I would think.

You are a college science student?

[CrimsonFox]

Poor Zinto...
People say NO to the C E O

[Grover]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Poor Zinto...
People say NO to the C E O

This is why I chose DanGarion. I feel that Zinto is a corporate shark, out chiefly for his own interests and profit. That is not a leader we can trust.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by fontisian

His early push for government against the then group goal of a biodome felt excessive, like he was going more for his own goals than the goals of the colony.

Fair enough, however, in my own defense the biodome group felt like they were gaining momentum and that project could snowball into the majority before any other projects were discussed. An excessive statement for something other than the biodome felt appropriate.

Was the biome the best option at the time? Perhaps, but I would have rather seen all options discussed than having mindless consensus on one option.

[Zinto]

I guess that is the price of being honest with your constituents

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I guess that is the price of being honest with your constituents

or maybe because the last time you were leader, you led all the engineers into no man's land to die

[Zinto]

There is almost no way that I am going to be voting CF or Font as our leader. Their previous job history just doesn't mesh with being the leader of a new colony.

[CrimsonFox]

Sheriff Thomkal

[Zinto]

I also don't know why we are just dismissing the idea that social will impact the leader role. It seems like one of the stats will have a big impact on all the roles.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

or maybe because the last time you were leader, you led all the engineers into no man's land to die

To be fair that was a past life and I was controlled by some kind of spawn.

[CrimsonFox]

there are still a bunch of people who haven't told us what they are or what they want to run for too. So there's time to switch

[saldana]

wow...i am at a bit of a loss to understand why there are almost half the votes cast for people to fill positions before THE OTHER HALF of the people playing have even shown up and declared their roles...deadline is not until 2000 hours tonight, and the first post said the game started TODAY (hence, my arrival here today)

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Odd that you voted Font for leader right after saying this as she has came out and claimed having an ability that will be beneficial if she becomes the leader

Well I was voting based on who has some votes already, so my options were limited. Reading her posts, I felt comfortable with her approach to things. Clearly there's some mechanics I don't know about yet and some of you do.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I also don't know why we are just dismissing the idea that social will impact the leader role. It seems like one of the stats will have a big impact on all the roles.

Just because someone is personable, doesn't make them a good leader.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I also don't know why we are just dismissing the idea that social will impact the leader role. It seems like one of the stats will have a big impact on all the roles.

I am dismissing it so far just because EF made a clear post about what the stats do, and I don't know why he wouldn't have said that in the post if it were true.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by saldana

wow...i am at a bit of a loss to understand why there are almost half the votes cast for people to fill positions before THE OTHER HALF of the people playing have even shown up and declared their roles...deadline is not until 2000 hours tonight, and the first post said the game started TODAY (hence, my arrival here today)

It's either whine about that now, or whine tonight about why a bunch of people never got a vote in. Pick your poison.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by saldana

wow...i am at a bit of a loss to understand why there are almost half the votes cast for people to fill positions before THE OTHER HALF of the people playing have even shown up and declared their roles...deadline is not until 2000 hours tonight, and the first post said the game started TODAY (hence, my arrival here today)

anxiousness, impatience, excitement...pick one of those

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I am dismissing it so far just because EF made a clear post about what the stats do, and I don't know why he wouldn't have said that in the post if it were true.

To be fair on EF's post none of the skills say anything about any of the elected positions. I don't think it is crazy to line up certain skills with certain jobs.

[saldana]

anyway, back on Earth, I was a city planner for a large metropolitan city. Got lots of experience designing and laying out cities and buildings, and would be happy to engineer our new home here.

as far as a mission goes, if we starve to death, it doesnt really matter what kind of government we have...in fact...i kind of wonder what we really need a centralized government for since there are only 21 of us...we need a president in order to handle 21 people?

[EagleFan]

As of post 337

Leader
DanGarion 3 - timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
fontisian 3 - Shoveler (246), fontisian (292), Autumn (319)
CrimsonFox 2 - britrock88 (210), CrimsonFox (312)
Zinto 1 - Zinto (265)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Scientist
timmae 6 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307)
Raven 3 - Zinto (265), fontisian (292), Autumn (319)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Engineer
Grover 9 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307), Autumn (319)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Sherriff
britrock88 3 - britrock88 (210), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Thomkal 3 - DanGarion (296), Grover (307), CrimsonFox (330)
Shoveler 2 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247)
JAG 1 - Autumn (319)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Doctor
Chief Rum 5 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
Autumn 3 - britrock88 (210), Thomkal (231), Zinto (265), Autumn (319)
ntndeacon 1 - CrimsonFox (297)

Project
Government 5 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Biodome 5 - Thomkal (231), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307), Autumn (319)

Yet to Vote
Chief Rum, The Jackal, Suicane75, Schmidty, ntndeacon, JAG, saldana, GoldenEagle, Raven, Danny, Narcizo, SharkN20

[Grover]

Originally Posted by saldana

as far as a mission goes, if we starve to death, it doesnt really matter what kind of government we have...in fact...i kind of wonder what we really need a centralized government for since there are only 21 of us...we need a president in order to handle 21 people?

Thank you. Surmised perfectly.

This is why the Biodome needs to be our top priority.

[Narcizo]

By the way I'm a chemist. It's difficult to tell but I would imagine that I'm either the best scientist on the mission or close to. I also have a bit of experience of running a small-scale facility. I'm not really sure if I should be up for the prime scientist position given my schedule however.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Skills

Medical - This will be used when trying to heal players, the better the skill of the lead doctor the better the overall success of healing or treating, as well as the combined average of anyone working in that facility

Engineering - The greater the value, the more effective the designs for the various projects

Physical - The greater the number the player will be able to perform physical tasks better

Scientific - The greater the number of the lead scientist, the greater the discoveries, the average of those working in the scientific research facility will be used as well

Social - The greater the number, the higher the likelihood of "influencing" certain votes

I don't agree. For instance the Medical skill clearly has an effect based on the Medical leader, and the same with science. It is not clear on Engineering because we don't know how plans are drawn up. Sheriff is not strictly related to a particular skill. And there is nothing under Social that hints that leaders will need it--we will have to find out what the votes are, but I wonder if it's actually worse to have a leader with high Social influencing our direction with their vote.

[Narcizo]

So should we be assuming that one of the purported colonists is a saboteur - a "Keep Mars Red" terrorist or something.

[Narcizo]

Yeah, it seems natural to link roles to skills 1:1 but there's not really anything to say that that's the case. I think leadership is all about the player commitment and judgement rather than anything else. Social looks like it might act as a tiebreaker or something.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by timmae

Lol, science items was just my term... Trying not to quote exact statements from my PM in order to play by the rules. I have studied science all of my life... (that is all I have to go on at this point). I do think that it must be legit as my skill rating there is quite good. To me this states I can't really be a full whack job but we don't know what EF has in store for us. I think my scientific skill will help the scientific group either way as EF explained the connections but having high attributes in your key category should help the entire group I would think.

Originally Posted by Zinto

You are a college science student?

This is the point I was trying to make earlier.We have people voting others into leadership roles, without any attempt to know more about their background. As far as we know, timmae may be a Freshman at Minneapolis Community College who won his 8th grade science fair 5 years ago for building a volcano, and therefore considers himself Bill Nye.

Besides being a farmer, I too have a strong science background. I've done intensive studying my whole life. And while I may not have a fancy college degree to back it up, I have the scientific knowledge to lead the Science group.

[EagleFan]

We Salute You

The communication crackles to life. We salute you, the 21 volunteers who have decided to start a new colony on Mars. One day we will send more colonists to further populate the planet. We have left the development of the planet up to your discretion.

You about to begin your descent close to the planet and communication will be disrupted during that time. Once you land you should be able to re-establish connection with us for limited communications.

The world is proud of you. We thank you. Our future as a race may depend upon you. Please take a moment of silence when you land to remember your predecessors. Their sacrifice will not be for nothing.

Thank you all!!!

(Communications go silent)

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

To clarify. You don't have to elect everyone on day zero but that will cause a ripple effect.

Example: if you don't have a leader, any work will be less organized and less efficient. If you don't have an engineer but want to build something the results may not be good. If you don't elect a primary doctor and someone is injured the process of treating that person. IF you don't pick a project, well... then you may deserve to drift away into space...

This is why I think that there is a stat (that it is probably social) that will help whoever is in the leadership role be successful. I think that it isn't so crazy that there will be dice roles using stats for everything we do. If not there is no reason to vote anyone as the leader other than someone for meta reasons. I would be all for Jag at that point.