WW Role Reversal: Game Over! - Page 7

Lathum · 08-05-2010, 05:04 PM

Except once it was learned autumn was a wolf we would have lookers dts way. By killing autumn he buys tons if trust. It's just bad luck cr scanned him.

PurdueBrad · 08-05-2010, 05:54 PM

I'm in on this, nice job CR.

vote DT

Chief Rum · 08-05-2010, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Except once it was learned autumn was a wolf we would have lookers dts way. By killing autumn he buys tons if trust. It's just bad luck cr scanned him.

Bad luck my ass. I scanned him for exactly this reason. We couldn't trust DT's move until we could trust DT, so I scanned him, on the assumtpion he would come out a cleared villager.

So I was a little surprised. But, yeah, if you're an opening wolf duke, it's a good move to try to buy trust by offing a wolf. Just unfortunately for DT, the seer role landed on someone who isn't particularly trusting.

Chief Rum · 08-05-2010, 06:00 PM

Oh, my apologies, Lathum. That "bad luck, my ass" wasn't intended to be a throw back at you, but a pompous self-congratulatory pat on the back for myself.

CrimsonFox · 08-05-2010, 06:15 PM

Well, okay. If this ends up a bust, CR is definitely the next to go seeing as no one else is a suspect right now.

unvote CR
vote DaddyTorgo

MrBug708 · 08-05-2010, 06:38 PM

I think the move to vote for a wolf is risky, but it could have been a solid preemptive move, especially if a player can't commit to being here all of the time. Since DT was also the Duke and outed himself essentially, it eliminated any possible chance that Chief scanned the "cunning" role. On top of that, the cunning role has been eliminated, so any seer role would be an accurate scan.

Of course, if Rum is a wolf who is tossing another wolf to the villagers, it might be one of the guttiest moves ever as he'd be the only wolf left (3 wolves right? Couldnt see it in the description I dont think or it's unknown) and almost no chance of lynching.

Vote - DT

FWIW - I was a villager with the brutal role on day 1

Lathum · 08-05-2010, 07:24 PM

Assuming DT is a wolf this pretty much clears Bug in my mind. If he was a wolf and they knew Autumn was going down anyway they would have had Bug just vote for him instead of abstaining.

Schmidty · 08-05-2010, 08:24 PM

Back home from work finally. Catching up.

Schmidty · 08-05-2010, 08:29 PM

Ok, I'm on board.

Vote DT

Danny · 08-05-2010, 10:02 PM

Deadline

Danny · 08-05-2010, 10:02 PM

You guys lynch DaddyTorgo! He is a wolf

Danny · 08-05-2010, 10:03 PM

Darth Vilus is night killed!

But wait, he says J23 is coming with him! Both Darth and J23 were villagers. Darth had the Brutal role and J23 had the Double Voter role. Both roles are removed from the game.

MrBug708 · 08-05-2010, 10:04 PM

WTG Chief!

Danny · 08-05-2010, 10:05 PM

Day 3 roles are out. Deadline is Friday at 10 eastern.

Lathum · 08-05-2010, 10:10 PM

Why do you hate me Danny?

The Jackal · 08-05-2010, 10:47 PM

Sorry for not getting in on this runaway today but I've been sick and I was just sacked out

MrBug708 · 08-05-2010, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Assuming DT is a wolf this pretty much clears Bug in my mind. If he was a wolf and they knew Autumn was going down anyway they would have had Bug just vote for him instead of abstaining.

Does this mean I'm cleared?

ntndeacon · 08-05-2010, 11:56 PM

dang it! I was the seer yesterday, but I looked at J23. Obviously he came up as a villager in my scan.

PurdueBrad · 08-06-2010, 08:21 AM

Good result on DT but another rough nightkill. I will be on in the afternoon/early evening today.

PurdueBrad · 08-06-2010, 08:21 AM

Were there a ton of no votes again yesterday or am I imagining that?

PurdueBrad · 08-06-2010, 09:17 AM

Vote History:

Day 1 (listing UNofficial votes only OR votes that were not for DT):

Autumn: Hoops, PB, Daddy Torgo
Darth Vilus: J23
Crimson Fox: Chief Rum, Autumn, Lathum

No votes: Jackal, ntndeacon, Schmidty, Mr.Bug, Darth Vilus, Crimson Fox

Day 2
Daddy Torgo: Chief Rum, Lathum, ntndeacon, J23, PB, CrimsonFox, Mr.Bug, Schmidty

No votes: Jackal, Darth Vilus, Daddy Torgo

----

Hmmm, so now the question is this. Did the wolf miss the D1 vote or not? If so, then the wolf has to be more active D2 when their second partner is about to go. If they didn't miss the D1 vote then we have a small pool to pick from.

Anyway, out till later but there is the history. Feel free to correct as necessary.

Chief Rum · 08-06-2010, 11:14 AM

For consumption...

I worked backwards in my mind from DT's duking of Autumn, and realized that, whereas before I felt good about Lathum's idea for usign the duke, now I have to consider that it was a setup to not only make DT look good, but Lathum as well. Like a double cover.

I'm not saying I think Lathum is a wolf, just that in retrospect, we shouldn't give him any benefit of the doubt on the basis that he came up with the duke idea that "worked out so well".

Of course, maybe that was just my impression before, that Lathum was looking pretty good, so if you guys did not have any preconceived notions, then carry on.

Stress again--I am not saying I think that happened, or that I suspect Lathum more than others, just throwing it out there, in a double-layered conspiracy theory sorta way.

ntndeacon · 08-06-2010, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Vote History:

Day 1 (listing UNofficial votes only OR votes that were not for DT):

Autumn: Hoops, PB, Daddy Torgo
Darth Vilus: J23
Crimson Fox: Chief Rum, Autumn, Lathum

No votes: Jackal, ntndeacon, Schmidty, Mr.Bug, Darth Vilus, Crimson Fox

Day 2
Daddy Torgo: Chief Rum, Lathum, ntndeacon, J23, PB, CrimsonFox, Mr.Bug, Schmidty

No votes: Jackal, Darth Vilus, Daddy Torgo

----

Hmmm, so now the question is this. Did the wolf miss the D1 vote or not? If so, then the wolf has to be more active D2 when their second partner is about to go. If they didn't miss the D1 vote then we have a small pool to pick from.

Anyway, out till later but there is the history. Feel free to correct as necessary.

The only thing I would add for day one is that mine was the only one on day 1 that had no vote whatsoever. I am pretty sure the rest did vote for DT. (I realize this does not go against what you said, but it is at least some voting the rest of the day one "no votes" did)

ntndeacon · 08-06-2010, 01:26 PM

I don't have a great feeling about this but a couple of niggling things are pulling at me in regard to my vote for today. It is possible I am reading wolfishness into small displays of dissent, but there we go...
I am fixed on this today, as I won't be near the computer til way after the deadline...

Vote CrimsonFox

Chief Rum · 08-06-2010, 01:44 PM

I was just thinking of something-- we really have no vote history at all.

Day Two, of course, was a runaway, no value there.

Day One, the wolves had the duke in a plan centered around the duke producing the lynch--and only they knew it. They had free reign to set up how that vote went down, knowing that the end result was either going to be a set up for trust (sacrificing a wolf) or would just set up DT for the fall if he does something suspicious.

So we're practically back at the start with respect to voting history.

CrimsonFox · 08-06-2010, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

For consumption...

I worked backwards in my mind from DT's duking of Autumn, and realized that, whereas before I felt good about Lathum's idea for usign the duke, now I have to consider that it was a setup to not only make DT look good, but Lathum as well. Like a double cover.

I'm not saying I think Lathum is a wolf, just that in retrospect, we shouldn't give him any benefit of the doubt on the basis that he came up with the duke idea that "worked out so well".

Of course, maybe that was just my impression before, that Lathum was looking pretty good, so if you guys did not have any preconceived notions, then carry on.

Stress again--I am not saying I think that happened, or that I suspect Lathum more than others, just throwing it out there, in a double-layered conspiracy theory sorta way.

Yeah he was pushing for me and pushing for a group thing pretty hard day one with "I'm suspicious" excuses but not actually addressing what I was saying. Then again this is common I think. Still I'm suspicious too.

CrimsonFox · 08-06-2010, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I don't have a great feeling about this but a couple of niggling things are pulling at me in regard to my vote for today. It is possible I am reading wolfishness into small displays of dissent, but there we go...
I am fixed on this today, as I won't be near the computer til way after the deadline...

Vote CrimsonFox

oh nifty, what a great excuse! This game rocks!

CrimsonFox · 08-06-2010, 01:50 PM

ntndeacon posted on the board. That is suspicious to me.

CrimsonFox · 08-06-2010, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

ntndeacon posted on the board. That is suspicious to me.

Actually I really like this reasoning.

VOTE NTNDEACON

Schmidty · 08-06-2010, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I was just thinking of something-- we really have no vote history at all.

Yeah, it feels like we're moving forward blindly at this point.

Lathum · 08-06-2010, 04:24 PM

Well I am going to go for one of the quiet players who was non committal D1

Vote Schmidty

MrBug708 · 08-06-2010, 04:49 PM

So Jackal and DV didn't vote? Is it safe to assume they are villagers and bored with their roles?

Darth Vilus · 08-06-2010, 05:03 PM

sorry i wasnt around yesterday guys, didnt have a chance to log on before work

Lathum · 08-06-2010, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

So Jackal and DV didn't vote? Is it safe to assume they are villagers and bored with their roles?

Not at all.

DV is dead and was cleared as a villager, but it isn't safe to assume someone who is a wolf wouldn't vote. There are a number of factors why a wolf would miss a vote, from real life issues to not wanting there to be a voting history.

CrimsonFox · 08-06-2010, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Not at all.

DV is dead and was cleared as a villager, but it isn't safe to assume someone who is a wolf wouldn't vote. There are a number of factors why a wolf would miss a vote, from real life issues to not wanting there to be a voting history.

*gasp* I actually agree totally with something Lathum said! stop that!

PurdueBrad · 08-06-2010, 06:00 PM

I'm debating three different people right now, all non-day one voters but all day-two voters when it was clear that CR had caught a wolf. Two of them already have votes but I'm intensely curious about the third, Mr. Bug.

The no-unofficial vote when he was here with 10 minutes to go strikes me as odd because he could've saved Autumn, but that would've bit him later probably but he also avoided burying Autumn.

Schmidty and ntn are the other two I'm looking at. I've played against Schmidty when he's been a completely utr wolf and done well at it so that concerns me. I haven't played a ton with ntn so it's a harder read.

For now, I don't want to push a fourth candidate into things by going Mr. Bug so I'll sit tight and cast a placeholder:

vote Schmidty

The Jackal · 08-06-2010, 06:15 PM

I think I'm in agreement with the Schmidty angle, and now I have to go start helping my gf move in

vote schmidty

The Jackal · 08-06-2010, 06:15 PM

this turned out to be a surprisingly busy week for me sorry guys

Lathum · 08-06-2010, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

*gasp* I actually agree totally with something Lathum said! stop that!

Lathum · 08-06-2010, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I think I'm in agreement with the Schmidty angle, and now I have to go start helping my gf move in

]

In?

Like in with you?

You stupid, stupid man.

Chief Rum · 08-06-2010, 06:34 PM

I'll admit, the more I have thought about it, the more I like the concept of Lathum the wolf pushing the duke idea, and DT the duke pulling it off on Autumn, the third wolf, to gain trust. Lathum, DT and Autumn are all very clever and could pull that off.

That said, we're too far along today and Lathum hasn't really struck me as wolfish (surprisingly); it might be I am just fascinated that someone might try a move that ballsy at the start of the game (the DT move on Autumn alone was pretty daring, much less if they played a double cover with Lathum).

So I'll stick with the candidates at hand.

Of the Day One non-voters, we have The Jackal, ntndeacon, Schmidty, Bug and Crimson Fox.

I am giving The Jackal a pass for now. He could be a wolf, sure, but I don't believe he would lie about being sick. If I run out of better canddiates, I can come back to him.

Schmidty is a dangerous wolf, but at this point, another vote on him would turn this into a runaway, which does us no good with our lack of voting history. So I am not going there.

ntndeacon gave a legit reason for voting for CF, and I am used to ntndeacon not being around at times, so I don't jump to the conclusion he must be a wolf if he doesn't vote (in fact, if he nmade every vote, I probably would be more suspicious

).

So it comes down the Bug and CF for me today. Bug's non-vote on Day One, with a tie, was just weird. If it were a real vote, instead of the unofficial vote and if Autumn hadn't been a wolf, I suspect we would be clammering for Bug's head. Generally, I haven't felt him to be wolfish otherwise, but that was a really odd decision at, to this point, the key moment of this game.

CF basically did a throwaway, payback vote today on ntn (as opposed to ntn giving a reason at least), and it should be noted CF was the other target of the unofficial vote on Day One. It's entirely possible we had two wolves on the block, and the reason we didn't see a tiebreaker or an effort to save Autumn was because either way DT went, he would take a wolf. The numbers suggest this is not likely to have happened, but it's something to consider.

Since CF has a vote already, I will put mine there over one on Bug.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

MrBug708 · 08-06-2010, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

The no-unofficial vote when he was here with 10 minutes to go strikes me as odd because he could've saved Autumn, but that would've bit him later probably but he also avoided burying Autumn.

Eh, just didn't feel like tossing out a random vote since we were targeting DT anyways. My brutal move was to kill DT in case he went "off the reservation" and decided to kill me, but it never came to that. Not making a last minute move to save a wolf by voting "unofficially" is odd, but as far as a villager goes, seems to lend that I'm more innocent then guilty.

One thing is for sure, the wolves are in deep cover, but at this point of the game, the odds are in favor of the villagers

Lathum · 08-06-2010, 06:40 PM

One thing that is making my skin crawl about NTN is that he was the seer last night, a claim that hasn't been refuted, but claims he scanned J23, which is convenient since he is dead. It also keeps us from voting off NTN since we would lose the seer role.

I would strongly suggest whoever is the seer next scans NTN.

CrimsonFox · 08-06-2010, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

CF basically did a throwaway, payback vote today on ntn (as opposed to ntn giving a reason at least), and it should be noted CF was the other target of the unofficial vote on Day One. It's entirely possible we had two wolves on the block, and the reason we didn't see a tiebreaker or an effort to save Autumn was because either way DT went, he would take a wolf. The numbers suggest this is not likely to have happened, but it's something to consider.

Since CF has a vote already, I will put mine there over one on Bug.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

since you put it that way...

UNVOTE ntndeacon
VOTE SCHMIDTY

And for the record, if I had voted for DT, THEN my vote would have been a throwaway vote. At least I voted unlike the "under the radar" tribe who people let go scot free every single game. I stated my opinions quite forcably, but even so I didn't disrupt anything as nothing I did would have mattered.

Chief Rum · 08-06-2010, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

since you put it that way...

UNVOTE ntndeacon
VOTE SCHMIDTY

And for the record, if I had voted for DT, THEN my vote would have been a throwaway vote. At least I voted unlike the "under the radar" tribe who people let go scot free every single game. I stated my opinions quite forcably, but even so I didn't disrupt anything as nothing I did would have mattered.

My reference to a throwaway vote was your vote today on ntn. DT, of course, was already dead.

If you're talking about a past vote, that's not really a part of why I voted for you.

I do like that you state your opinion for voting and that you do vote. But voting for someone because he posted? That's really reaching for a reason.

Chief Rum · 08-06-2010, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

One thing that is making my skin crawl about NTN is that he was the seer last night, a claim that hasn't been refuted, but claims he scanned J23, which is convenient since he is dead. It also keeps us from voting off NTN since we would lose the seer role.

I would strongly suggest whoever is the seer next scans NTN.

I would like to see NTN scanned. Of the "other three" I chose not to focus on from the Day 1 voters, he's the most suspicious, IMO. That said, he was the seer yesterday, not today (assuming he's not lying). So we're cool to lynch him if need be. Someone else is the seer today (or if it's ntn again, rather unlucky roll of random.org to go back to him).

Chief Rum · 08-06-2010, 06:54 PM

BTW, a couple more points of interest:

1. It wouldn't shock me if we had four wolves. The seer is always the role that is most difficult for the wolves to battle, and it's much more difficult to catch the seer in this game with switching roels. I could see Danny adding a wolf to a normal total of three to compensate for this.

2. If a wolf gets the seer role, it's conceivable he could put himself out there in some way and try to get himself lynched. Another sacrifice that might be worth it. I doubt they would play it that way now, down two wolves (and of course, then, there would have to be four wolves at least), but food for thought.

CrimsonFox · 08-06-2010, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

My reference to a throwaway vote was your vote today on ntn. DT, of course, was already dead.

If you're talking about a past vote, that's not really a part of why I voted for you.

I do like that you state your opinion for voting and that you do vote. But voting for someone because he posted? That's really reaching for a reason.

Then you missed my joke. It's not that I am voting for somebody because they posted. It's because I'm voting for him because it is ntndeacon and he not only is one of the first one to vote today but that he's giving a reason. This is not the under the radar ntn I know and love. Hence a vote. Get it?

Schmidty · 08-06-2010, 07:35 PM

Welp, I guess you guys are forcing me to do this since I have no other way to convince you with a crap voting history.

I'm the Seer.

Wish I could have just stayed UTR, but Lathum et al forced my hand.

Chief Rum · 08-06-2010, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Welp, I guess you guys are forcing me to do this since I have no other way to convince you with a crap voting history.

I'm the Seer.

Wish I could have just stayed UTR, but Lathum et al forced my hand.

Brilliant.

Well, I hope the BG is paying attention (assuming we switch around and keep Schmidty from the lynch).

08-05-2010, 06:00 PM	#304
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Oh, my apologies, Lathum. That "bad luck, my ass" wasn't intended to be a throw back at you, but a pompous self-congratulatory pat on the back for myself. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-05-2010, 08:24 PM	#308
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Back home from work finally. Catching up. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

08-05-2010, 08:29 PM	#309
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Ok, I'm on board. Vote DT __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

08-05-2010, 10:05 PM	#314
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Day 3 roles are out. Deadline is Friday at 10 eastern. Last edited by Danny : 08-05-2010 at 10:05 PM.

08-06-2010, 11:14 AM	#322
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	For consumption... I worked backwards in my mind from DT's duking of Autumn, and realized that, whereas before I felt good about Lathum's idea for usign the duke, now I have to consider that it was a setup to not only make DT look good, but Lathum as well. Like a double cover. I'm not saying I think Lathum is a wolf, just that in retrospect, we shouldn't give him any benefit of the doubt on the basis that he came up with the duke idea that "worked out so well". Of course, maybe that was just my impression before, that Lathum was looking pretty good, so if you guys did not have any preconceived notions, then carry on. Stress again--I am not saying I think that happened, or that I suspect Lathum more than others, just throwing it out there, in a double-layered conspiracy theory sorta way. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-05-2010, 05:04 PM	#301
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Except once it was learned autumn was a wolf we would have lookers dts way. By killing autumn he buys tons if trust. It's just bad luck cr scanned him.

08-05-2010, 05:54 PM	#302
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm in on this, nice job CR. vote DT

08-05-2010, 06:15 PM	#305
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Well, okay. If this ends up a bust, CR is definitely the next to go seeing as no one else is a suspect right now. unvote CR vote DaddyTorgo

08-05-2010, 06:38 PM	#306
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I think the move to vote for a wolf is risky, but it could have been a solid preemptive move, especially if a player can't commit to being here all of the time. Since DT was also the Duke and outed himself essentially, it eliminated any possible chance that Chief scanned the "cunning" role. On top of that, the cunning role has been eliminated, so any seer role would be an accurate scan. Of course, if Rum is a wolf who is tossing another wolf to the villagers, it might be one of the guttiest moves ever as he'd be the only wolf left (3 wolves right? Couldnt see it in the description I dont think or it's unknown) and almost no chance of lynching. Vote - DT FWIW - I was a villager with the brutal role on day 1

08-05-2010, 07:24 PM	#307
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Assuming DT is a wolf this pretty much clears Bug in my mind. If he was a wolf and they knew Autumn was going down anyway they would have had Bug just vote for him instead of abstaining.

08-05-2010, 10:02 PM	#310
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Deadline

08-05-2010, 10:02 PM	#311
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	You guys lynch DaddyTorgo! He is a wolf

08-05-2010, 10:03 PM	#312
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Darth Vilus is night killed! But wait, he says J23 is coming with him! Both Darth and J23 were villagers. Darth had the Brutal role and J23 had the Double Voter role. Both roles are removed from the game.

08-05-2010, 10:04 PM	#313
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	WTG Chief!

08-05-2010, 10:10 PM	#315
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Why do you hate me Danny?

08-05-2010, 10:47 PM	#316
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Sorry for not getting in on this runaway today but I've been sick and I was just sacked out

08-05-2010, 11:56 PM	#318
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	dang it! I was the seer yesterday, but I looked at J23. Obviously he came up as a villager in my scan.

08-06-2010, 08:21 AM	#319
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Good result on DT but another rough nightkill. I will be on in the afternoon/early evening today.

08-06-2010, 08:21 AM	#320
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Were there a ton of no votes again yesterday or am I imagining that?

08-06-2010, 09:17 AM	#321
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Vote History: Day 1 (listing UNofficial votes only OR votes that were not for DT): Autumn: Hoops, PB, Daddy Torgo Darth Vilus: J23 Crimson Fox: Chief Rum, Autumn, Lathum No votes: Jackal, ntndeacon, Schmidty, Mr.Bug, Darth Vilus, Crimson Fox Day 2 Daddy Torgo: Chief Rum, Lathum, ntndeacon, J23, PB, CrimsonFox, Mr.Bug, Schmidty No votes: Jackal, Darth Vilus, Daddy Torgo ---- Hmmm, so now the question is this. Did the wolf miss the D1 vote or not? If so, then the wolf has to be more active D2 when their second partner is about to go. If they didn't miss the D1 vote then we have a small pool to pick from. Anyway, out till later but there is the history. Feel free to correct as necessary.

08-06-2010, 01:26 PM	#324
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I don't have a great feeling about this but a couple of niggling things are pulling at me in regard to my vote for today. It is possible I am reading wolfishness into small displays of dissent, but there we go... I am fixed on this today, as I won't be near the computer til way after the deadline... Vote CrimsonFox

08-06-2010, 01:44 PM	#325
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I was just thinking of something-- we really have no vote history at all. Day Two, of course, was a runaway, no value there. Day One, the wolves had the duke in a plan centered around the duke producing the lynch--and only they knew it. They had free reign to set up how that vote went down, knowing that the end result was either going to be a set up for trust (sacrificing a wolf) or would just set up DT for the fall if he does something suspicious. So we're practically back at the start with respect to voting history. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-06-2010, 01:50 PM	#328
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	ntndeacon posted on the board. That is suspicious to me.

08-06-2010, 04:24 PM	#331
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Well I am going to go for one of the quiet players who was non committal D1 Vote Schmidty

08-06-2010, 04:49 PM	#332
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	So Jackal and DV didn't vote? Is it safe to assume they are villagers and bored with their roles?

08-06-2010, 05:03 PM	#333
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	sorry i wasnt around yesterday guys, didnt have a chance to log on before work __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

08-06-2010, 06:00 PM	#336
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm debating three different people right now, all non-day one voters but all day-two voters when it was clear that CR had caught a wolf. Two of them already have votes but I'm intensely curious about the third, Mr. Bug. The no-unofficial vote when he was here with 10 minutes to go strikes me as odd because he could've saved Autumn, but that would've bit him later probably but he also avoided burying Autumn. Schmidty and ntn are the other two I'm looking at. I've played against Schmidty when he's been a completely utr wolf and done well at it so that concerns me. I haven't played a ton with ntn so it's a harder read. For now, I don't want to push a fourth candidate into things by going Mr. Bug so I'll sit tight and cast a placeholder: vote Schmidty

08-06-2010, 06:15 PM	#337
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I think I'm in agreement with the Schmidty angle, and now I have to go start helping my gf move in vote schmidty

08-06-2010, 06:15 PM	#338
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	this turned out to be a surprisingly busy week for me sorry guys

08-06-2010, 06:34 PM	#341
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I'll admit, the more I have thought about it, the more I like the concept of Lathum the wolf pushing the duke idea, and DT the duke pulling it off on Autumn, the third wolf, to gain trust. Lathum, DT and Autumn are all very clever and could pull that off. That said, we're too far along today and Lathum hasn't really struck me as wolfish (surprisingly); it might be I am just fascinated that someone might try a move that ballsy at the start of the game (the DT move on Autumn alone was pretty daring, much less if they played a double cover with Lathum). So I'll stick with the candidates at hand. Of the Day One non-voters, we have The Jackal, ntndeacon, Schmidty, Bug and Crimson Fox. I am giving The Jackal a pass for now. He could be a wolf, sure, but I don't believe he would lie about being sick. If I run out of better canddiates, I can come back to him. Schmidty is a dangerous wolf, but at this point, another vote on him would turn this into a runaway, which does us no good with our lack of voting history. So I am not going there. ntndeacon gave a legit reason for voting for CF, and I am used to ntndeacon not being around at times, so I don't jump to the conclusion he must be a wolf if he doesn't vote (in fact, if he nmade every vote, I probably would be more suspicious ). So it comes down the Bug and CF for me today. Bug's non-vote on Day One, with a tie, was just weird. If it were a real vote, instead of the unofficial vote and if Autumn hadn't been a wolf, I suspect we would be clammering for Bug's head. Generally, I haven't felt him to be wolfish otherwise, but that was a really odd decision at, to this point, the key moment of this game. CF basically did a throwaway, payback vote today on ntn (as opposed to ntn giving a reason at least), and it should be noted CF was the other target of the unofficial vote on Day One. It's entirely possible we had two wolves on the block, and the reason we didn't see a tiebreaker or an effort to save Autumn was because either way DT went, he would take a wolf. The numbers suggest this is not likely to have happened, but it's something to consider. Since CF has a vote already, I will put mine there over one on Bug. VOTE CRIMSON FOX __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-06-2010, 06:40 PM	#343
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	One thing that is making my skin crawl about NTN is that he was the seer last night, a claim that hasn't been refuted, but claims he scanned J23, which is convenient since he is dead. It also keeps us from voting off NTN since we would lose the seer role. I would strongly suggest whoever is the seer next scans NTN.

08-06-2010, 06:54 PM	#347
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	BTW, a couple more points of interest: 1. It wouldn't shock me if we had four wolves. The seer is always the role that is most difficult for the wolves to battle, and it's much more difficult to catch the seer in this game with switching roels. I could see Danny adding a wolf to a normal total of three to compensate for this. 2. If a wolf gets the seer role, it's conceivable he could put himself out there in some way and try to get himself lynched. Another sacrifice that might be worth it. I doubt they would play it that way now, down two wolves (and of course, then, there would have to be four wolves at least), but food for thought. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-06-2010, 07:35 PM	#349
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Welp, I guess you guys are forcing me to do this since I have no other way to convince you with a crap voting history. I'm the Seer. Wish I could have just stayed UTR, but Lathum et al forced my hand. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

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