WW 103? - 42 Attempts (Game Over - Conspirators Win) - Page 7

JAG · 10-12-2009, 10:38 PM

that's odd, the Duke changes the lynch but doesn't change the original outcome?

GoldenEagle · 10-12-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I understand you being upset, but I still think it's a solid play. I went with my read. It was wrong, but I felt confident that LSG was at best a vanilla nazi. I also know I was going to be under heat soon and honestly, my duke ability did not allow me to save myself, so there was no point saving it for that.

But what if LSG was the seer or Hitler? It was just a questionable play to make this early in the game.

Danny · 10-12-2009, 10:39 PM

My duke doesn't save the player, it just adds a kill basically. So DT still died.

Abe Sargent · 10-12-2009, 10:39 PM

Wait.....what????

Danny · 10-12-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

But what if LSG was the seer or Hitler? It was just a questionable play to make this early in the game.

I felt very confident this was not the case.

Chief Rum · 10-12-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Uh, so what exactly happened?

Mechanics mix up. Himmler can't save the lynched, only add to the death toll.

So DT still dies (and he's Albert Speer, it turns out). And LSG also dies.

And hoops is still dead.

The Jackal · 10-12-2009, 10:40 PM

Well, that all sucks. I mean Speer wasn't massively important, but a nifty ace in the hole. We've got some exploring to do tomorrow.

Schmidty · 10-12-2009, 10:40 PM

I'm confused. That doesn't seem right.

EF - That seems really overpowered, although I guess he could have gotten two wolves, but still.

(No offense)

Danny · 10-12-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

But what if LSG was the seer or Hitler? It was just a questionable play to make this early in the game.

And what if she was a wolf? Fact is I killed a vanilla nazi. Not a great play as it turns out, but not a killer either.

Danny · 10-12-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm confused. That doesn't seem right.

EF - That seems really overpowered, although I guess he could have gotten two wolves, but still.

(No offense)

In way it is underpowered since I wasnt able to save someone I would have liked to. Or save myself if needed.

Autumn · 10-12-2009, 10:42 PM

Well, you certainly played in character, I guess, Danny ... :-( That puts us in the hole a bit for day one. But hopefully we'll find something from the vote analysis with four players cleared.

JAG · 10-12-2009, 10:42 PM

GE, in case you missed it a page or two back, I'm interested to hear your response:

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Darth Vilus was the best candidate for today, but there some suspicious votes switched off of him.

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Originally Posted by JAG

He was? Why do you say that?

bulletsponge · 10-12-2009, 10:42 PM

im a little confused. at least im 3 places higher to becomeing a fuhrur

Schmidty · 10-12-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

In way it is underpowered since I wasnt able to save someone I would have liked to. Or save myself if needed.

Yeah, that's true.

I had it backward.

EagleFan · 10-12-2009, 10:43 PM

Orders for Day/Night Two:

The players will be stationed in the following manner:

Berlin
Lathum
The Jackal
Schmidty
Danny
GoldenEagle
Autumn
J23
Darth Vilus

Berchtesgaden
PurdueBrad
Abe Sargent
Chief Rum
JAG
ntndeacon
KWhit
Telle
bulletsponge

Wolfsschanze
n/a

For future days all locations will be utilized, the multiple lynching affected the stations for this day.

Lathum · 10-12-2009, 10:43 PM

now I am not so much a fan of the play IMO you wait until we have a sure wolf then get the wolf kill and another lynch that day also.

The Jackal · 10-12-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm confused. That doesn't seem right.

EF - That seems really overpowered, although I guess he could have gotten two wolves, but still.

(No offense)

What do you mean he could have gotten two wolves? One person died in the lynch, and Danny killed the other.

GoldenEagle · 10-12-2009, 10:44 PM

Danny, I am not going to lie, I think this was a very selfish player on your part. The move had no basis and was basically wasted.

The Jackal · 10-12-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Yeah, that's true.

I had it backward.

Alright.

Autumn · 10-12-2009, 10:45 PM

Is anyone clear on what the locations will do? Just determines who is there if a bomb goes off? I assume it has no effect on the lynching votes.

EagleFan · 10-12-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm confused. That doesn't seem right.

EF - That seems really overpowered, although I guess he could have gotten two wolves, but still.

(No offense)

There are high risk situations within the game. Each side has some powerful tools at their disposal.

Schmidty · 10-12-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Alright.

I suck. Blame it on my mom smoking while she was pregnant.

EagleFan · 10-12-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Is anyone clear on what the locations will do? Just determines who is there if a bomb goes off? I assume it has no effect on the lynching votes.

Correct, it is only to help determine potential devistation done.

Autumn · 10-12-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I suck. Blame it on my mom smoking while she was pregnant.

Can I have her phone number?

Danny · 10-12-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Danny, I am not going to lie, I think this was a very selfish player on your part. The move had no basis and was basically wasted.

And you can think that, but I am not sure how it is different than 90% of dukings.

Abe Sargent · 10-12-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

My duke doesn't save the player, it just adds a kill basically. So DT still died.

Then why brag about how your duke made DT look good?

Danny · 10-12-2009, 10:48 PM

Final Day One Vote

KWhit 2 - Darth Vilus (80), PurdueBrad (105)
Lathum 1 - DaddyTorgo (96)
Darth Vilus 2 - Autumn (91), Telle (219)
Chief Rum 5 - ntndeacon (92), bulletsponge (110), GldenEagle (213), LoneStarGirl (221), Danny (223)
DaddyTorgo 7 - Lathum (102), J23 (106), hoopsguy (113), Abe Sargent (125), Scmidty (153), The Jackal (163), Chief Rum (230)
LoneStarGirl 1 - JAG (193)

No vote: KWhit

GoldenEagle · 10-12-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

GE, in case you missed it a page or two back, I'm interested to hear your response:

There was interested in him, but it suddenly got switch off of him for no apparent reason. I would have voted for him and Telle did. At one point, it looked like it would be DT vs. Darth for the lynch.

He made a vote pretty early on Kwhit. Granted, its not that suspicious, but it is kind of weird he was quiet all day when he is normally a vocal player.

My point more or less is that there was some interest on him, but then it was switched away without much explanation. He is someone who we need to look at.

Danny · 10-12-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Then why brag about how your duke made DT look good?

I wasn't bragging, I thought it was useful in seeing people's reactions for that.

GoldenEagle · 10-12-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

And you can think that, but I am not sure how it is different than 90% of dukings.

Because now we are down three villagers instead of two.

Danny · 10-12-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

. Granted, its not that suspicious, but it is kind of weird he was quiet all day when he is normally a vocal player.

He posted last night or early this morning he was going to have to vote early and be out all day because of work.

hoopsguy · 10-12-2009, 10:51 PM

No worries on my end as far as the night kill. The wolves should take out whoever they feel is a good target, without worrying about feelings getting involved. I'll see you guys around next game.

Schmidty · 10-12-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Can I have her phone number?

She doesn't have a phone. Well, unless the dumpster sleeps in does.

Danny · 10-12-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Because now we are down three villagers instead of two.

But with quite a bit of voting record for one day and no wolves. I understand you're upset, but I went with my gut, It turned out wrong and obviously wasn't a great play, but didn't hurt us too much.

EagleFan · 10-12-2009, 10:53 PM

A meeting has been scheduled for Day 2. The meeting will be processed at 7 PM EST. Hitler has called this meeting to discuss the allies potential invasion. Hitler is still deciding upon the list of attendees though it has almost been finalized.

A successful meeting will add to the Nazis powers for Night 2. The negative effects of failure may not be immediately noticable.

Danny · 10-12-2009, 10:56 PM

It really is funny how fickle the duke is. AlanT did the same thing to me last game. Admittedly I think his gut is better than mine, but I just think it's funny the way the same play can be read so differently based on a mostly random result.

JAG · 10-12-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

There was interested in him, but it suddenly got switch off of him for no apparent reason. I would have voted for him and Telle did. At one point, it looked like it would be DT vs. Darth for the lynch.

That's a rather odd justification. Was everyone supposed to know you and Telle were going to join the voting on Darth before they ended up switching?

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

He made a vote pretty early on Kwhit. Granted, its not that suspicious, but it is kind of weird he was quiet all day when he is normally a vocal player.

I don't know, he wasn't all that vocal in the soccer game we played in with him. That seems pretty flimsy to say he was the best candidate based on that reasoning.

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

My point more or less is that there was some interest on him, but then it was switched away without much explanation. He is someone who we need to look at.

Eh. My reasoning for switching off him was that a number of people didn't feel comfortable with LSG's vote (adding yet another candidate to the mix) or reasoning, we had no other candidate to go against DT, and with nothing else to go on, that seemed like a logical way to go. Of course in the end it didn't exactly work out.

Danny · 10-12-2009, 11:02 PM

I think I am off for the night. Hopefully tomorrow we will have a better result.

Autumn · 10-12-2009, 11:05 PM

So, as far as I can see, there's nothing we can do to help these meetings out, other than add to the circle of trust. The more people are cleared the more Hitler can pick for the meetings.

JAG · 10-12-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

It really is funny how fickle the duke is. AlanT did the same thing to me last game. Admittedly I think his gut is better than mine, but I just think it's funny the way the same play can be read so differently based on a mostly random result.

I think it probably wasn't the right time to break it out (later when there probably would have been better odds of hitting a conspirator might've made more sense), but there was some logic in doing it, there was a chance you could have taken out a dangerous roled conspirator, you obviously cleared yourself, and we don't have to spend a day chasing down the LSG path that some might have advocated for.

Danny · 10-12-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I think it probably wasn't the right time to break it out (later when there probably would have been better odds of hitting a conspirator might've made more sense), but there was some logic in doing it, there was a chance you could have taken out a dangerous roled conspirator, you obviously cleared yourself, and we don't have to spend a day chasing down the LSG path that some might have advocated for.

Yeah, may not have been the right time. I just think those most vocally upset feel that way because of who I killed and not necessarily that a duke missed. I can understand that reaction, I mean I feel bad anytime I kill someone on day 1, lynch, wolf kill or otherwise.

Lathum · 10-12-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

It really is funny how fickle the duke is. AlanT did the same thing to me last game. Admittedly I think his gut is better than mine, but I just think it's funny the way the same play can be read so differently based on a mostly random result.

Did you know DT would die anyway?

Danny · 10-12-2009, 11:12 PM

Ok and now I am really off for the night.

I will leave with this warning, duking on two hours sleep after an 11 hour work day may cause innocents to die

Danny · 10-12-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Did you know DT would die anyway?

Yes, basically my duke isnt a duke. It's a kill, the same as AlanT had in the soccer game.

The Jackal · 10-12-2009, 11:13 PM

I don't have a huge problem with what Danny did. It obviously didn't work out very well, but when the game allows for you to take risks, people are going to take them. We've lost three players, none of whom were essential. It was a good day for the conspirators, but none of our high ranking peoples are gone.

JAG · 10-12-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

So, as far as I can see, there's nothing we can do to help these meetings out, other than add to the circle of trust. The more people are cleared the more Hitler can pick for the meetings.

It looks like Hitler has to invite a certain amount of people to the meeting:

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Meeting Events - Every third day Hitler will host a meeting to discuss the course of the war, he will submit the list of attendees (the number will be determined by the number of remaining players). Meetings offer risk and reward. The greater the number of invitees, the greater the reward if successful but also the greater the chance for sabotage or worse.

So yes, the more people we can clear, the more effective the meeting will be. Not sure why the meeting is happening D2 when the rules say every third day? Does that mean the next meeting can happen no earlier than D5?

JAG · 10-12-2009, 11:17 PM

I'm off also, night all.

Autumn · 10-12-2009, 11:18 PM

Yeah, I was just going to ask that about the meeting day also.

Good catch about the certain number. Forces his hand to make a guess. Well, here's hoping. Some good analysis between now and then might help out.

Chief Rum · 10-12-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Yeah, I was just going to ask that about the meeting day also.

Good catch about the certain number. Forces his hand to make a guess. Well, here's hoping. Some good analysis between now and then might help out.

We actually don't want a limited number. The wolves know who is cleared, too. So if the cleared need to be around Hitler, that narrows their choices on who to go after.

Abe Sargent · 10-12-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Danny, I am not going to lie, I think this was a very selfish player on your part. The move had no basis and was basically wasted.

+1

10-12-2009, 10:39 PM	#304
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10-12-2009, 10:40 PM	#308
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I'm confused. That doesn't seem right. EF - That seems really overpowered, although I guess he could have gotten two wolves, but still. (No offense) __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

10-12-2009, 10:44 PM	#318
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Danny, I am not going to lie, I think this was a very selfish player on your part. The move had no basis and was basically wasted. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

10-12-2009, 10:38 PM	#301
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	that's odd, the Duke changes the lynch but doesn't change the original outcome?

10-12-2009, 10:39 PM	#303
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	My duke doesn't save the player, it just adds a kill basically. So DT still died.

10-12-2009, 10:40 PM	#307
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Well, that all sucks. I mean Speer wasn't massively important, but a nifty ace in the hole. We've got some exploring to do tomorrow.

10-12-2009, 10:42 PM	#311
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Well, you certainly played in character, I guess, Danny ... :-( That puts us in the hole a bit for day one. But hopefully we'll find something from the vote analysis with four players cleared.

10-12-2009, 10:42 PM	#313
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	im a little confused. at least im 3 places higher to becomeing a fuhrur

10-12-2009, 10:43 PM	#315
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Orders for Day/Night Two: The players will be stationed in the following manner: Berlin Lathum The Jackal Schmidty Danny GoldenEagle Autumn J23 Darth Vilus Berchtesgaden PurdueBrad Abe Sargent Chief Rum JAG ntndeacon KWhit Telle bulletsponge Wolfsschanze n/a For future days all locations will be utilized, the multiple lynching affected the stations for this day.

10-12-2009, 10:43 PM	#316
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	now I am not so much a fan of the play IMO you wait until we have a sure wolf then get the wolf kill and another lynch that day also.

10-12-2009, 10:45 PM	#320
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Is anyone clear on what the locations will do? Just determines who is there if a bomb goes off? I assume it has no effect on the lynching votes.

10-12-2009, 10:48 PM	#327
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Final Day One Vote KWhit 2 - Darth Vilus (80), PurdueBrad (105) Lathum 1 - DaddyTorgo (96) Darth Vilus 2 - Autumn (91), Telle (219) Chief Rum 5 - ntndeacon (92), bulletsponge (110), GldenEagle (213), LoneStarGirl (221), Danny (223) DaddyTorgo 7 - Lathum (102), J23 (106), hoopsguy (113), Abe Sargent (125), Scmidty (153), The Jackal (163), Chief Rum (230) LoneStarGirl 1 - JAG (193) No vote: KWhit

10-12-2009, 10:51 PM	#332
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	No worries on my end as far as the night kill. The wolves should take out whoever they feel is a good target, without worrying about feelings getting involved. I'll see you guys around next game.

10-12-2009, 10:53 PM	#335
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	A meeting has been scheduled for Day 2. The meeting will be processed at 7 PM EST. Hitler has called this meeting to discuss the allies potential invasion. Hitler is still deciding upon the list of attendees though it has almost been finalized. A successful meeting will add to the Nazis powers for Night 2. The negative effects of failure may not be immediately noticable.

10-12-2009, 10:56 PM	#336
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	It really is funny how fickle the duke is. AlanT did the same thing to me last game. Admittedly I think his gut is better than mine, but I just think it's funny the way the same play can be read so differently based on a mostly random result.

10-12-2009, 11:02 PM	#338
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I think I am off for the night. Hopefully tomorrow we will have a better result.

10-12-2009, 11:05 PM	#339
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	So, as far as I can see, there's nothing we can do to help these meetings out, other than add to the circle of trust. The more people are cleared the more Hitler can pick for the meetings.

10-12-2009, 11:12 PM	#343
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Ok and now I am really off for the night. I will leave with this warning, duking on two hours sleep after an 11 hour work day may cause innocents to die

10-12-2009, 11:13 PM	#345
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I don't have a huge problem with what Danny did. It obviously didn't work out very well, but when the game allows for you to take risks, people are going to take them. We've lost three players, none of whom were essential. It was a good day for the conspirators, but none of our high ranking peoples are gone.

10-12-2009, 11:17 PM	#347
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I'm off also, night all.

10-12-2009, 11:18 PM	#348
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Yeah, I was just going to ask that about the meeting day also. Good catch about the certain number. Forces his hand to make a guess. Well, here's hoping. Some good analysis between now and then might help out.

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