WW Dukes Versus Hunters (GAME OVER!!--See Post #1387)

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Raven

I remember he was already gone before I came along, so this was a good 15+ years ago, btw!

Yup, his legacy lives on years and years later lol. Like the cocky and funny line for Hornsmaniac. That one continues to make the rounds.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Raven

btw, Chief...just noticed we joined in the same month! Oct 2000

Actually, I think it shows that for everyone, as that was when the board was first created. FOFC actually goes even further back, to the "Sideline" days. That was a board under a different server, but essentially the same community. There was drama there (early days of the growing Internet and all), and we mass moved from that board to this one.

So if you look around, you will see a bunch of October 2000 join ups. That's all us old fogies.

I actually joined the Sideline board way back in 1999, when I first discovered the existence of Front Office Football.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Actually, I think it shows that for everyone, as that was when the board was first created. FOFC actually goes even further back, to the "Sideline" days. That was a board under a different server, but essentially the same community. There was drama there (early days of the growing Internet and all), and we mass moved from that board to this one.

So if you look around, you will see a bunch of October 2000 join ups. That's all us old fogies.

I actually joined the Sideline board way back in 1999, when I first discovered the existence of Front Office Football.

I'm shocked I never ran into this forum. Then again, 16-17 year old me at the time was heavily invested in online leagues using High Heat Baseball.

[Shoveler]

I didn't pick up a copy of FOF7 until the beginning of this year, but apparently I had signed up on this forum back in Jan 2006. So it only took me 9 years to pull the trigger on that purchase

[Chief Rum]

Vote Tally (as of Post #304)

Vaimes (3)-- Shoveler (95), Zinto (163), cheekimonk (293)
timmae (2)-- EagleFan (82), Vaimes (85)
Shoveler (2)-- MartinD (83), britrock83 (113)
The Jackal (2)-- Raven (106), timmae (154)
cheekimonk (2)-- JAG (197), Autumn (264)
Zinto (2)-- Narcizo (108), The Jackal (283)
Grover (1)-- fontisian (210)
fontisian (1)-- MrBug708 (178)
MartinD (1)-- Grover (268)

[JAG]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Ok. It doesn't feel any worse than anyone I have a gut feel on. Some folks I have nothing one way or the other. Some folks I feel are on the radar though they haven't tipped village or wolf yet. It's a long D1.

Obviously getting to this late, but it seemed like your premise for voting fontisian was the part of my quote you referenced, which I later said was flawed. However, that realization didn't seem to change your mind. Can you explain?

Who is on your radar and why?

[JAG]

Originally Posted by fontisian

There's a good chance JAG is scum, but I'm going to give him a break for toDay and see if he turns out useful.

Thanks, I think. Keep an open mind as I'm on Team Village this game.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Grover

Oh, I've taken that into account. Clearly if you're playing against someone on a weekly basis, you're going to eventually have a decent read on them.

Not necessarily. I've played against Autumn and Narc a number of times and still don't trust myself to read them correctly due to the amount of times they've fooled me.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

For further notice, please anyone who wishes to just UNVOTE and not UNVOTE and VOTE in the same post, please include the player you're unvoting. I almost missed this from unvote from JAG because a simple bolded Unvote doesn't particularly stand out.

Sorry.

[Grover]

unvote MartinD

He spoke up when I said something to him. That's enough for now. Not enough on him for me to consider him suspicious at this point.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Go reread the quote in post #280. "You have the ability to act as the blank or stuttering sam"

Given the typical duke usage we've discussed (self-protection), the cultist wouldn't have this available to him, so he'd have to try to interfere with someone else's duking. (I know that's been said earlier; just wanted to add my restatement/assent. )

If the cultist were a hunter, same thing would go, I suppose... use your "ability" to try to interfere with others'. ...Except that hunter orders are processed in real time. So the cultist could basically set up a Blank claim war. Heh.

[Vaimes]

Aw, I'm the leading wagon. How sweet.

I think I mentioned this last game, but Tuesdays are busy for me.

Unvote timmae
Vote Zinto

[britrock88]

Hmm. Seems like time to consolidate.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Vaimes

Aw, I'm the leading wagon. How sweet.

I think I mentioned this last game, but Tuesdays are busy for me.

Unvote timmae
Vote Zinto

Go ahead and get a claim out now?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JAG

Sorry.

No worries. I said at the start it was okay to unvote that way. It just turned out the practice was a little sketchier than the theory. I don't want to miss unvotes.

[JAG]

I forgot cheek was voted out D1 last game, so I'll give him a pass today, just don't think it's fair to go that way twice in a row.

Unvote
Vote Zinto

Might be it for me til deadline, if my meeting ends early I'll be around towards the end.

[britrock88]

Pure tally manipulation.

unvote Shoveler
vote Jackal

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Given the typical duke usage we've discussed (self-protection), the cultist wouldn't have this available to him, so he'd have to try to interfere with someone else's duking. (I know that's been said earlier; just wanted to add my restatement/assent. )

If the cultist were a hunter, same thing would go, I suppose... use your "ability" to try to interfere with others'. ...Except that hunter orders are processed in real time. So the cultist could basically set up a Blank claim war. Heh.

Yes, if the cultist pulled duke he's hosed.. if the cultist dukes (gets revealed for duking, but nothing happens) for someone else they look suspicious. If the cultist pulled hunter, they could try to be the first shot of the day and block other hunters, and then get revealed as a hunter with no actual shot.

At least that is how I am interpreting the role description. They can put in an order to use the ability of the team they are on, but nothing will happen, but they will be revealed as having used it.

[britrock88]

Zinto 4, Vaimes 3, Jackal 3, other candidates 1. Time to get moving, singleton voters.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by JAG

I forgot cheek was voted out D1 last game, so I'll give him a pass today, just don't think it's fair to go that way twice in a row.

Unvote
Vote Zinto

Might be it for me til deadline, if my meeting ends early I'll be around towards the end.

+1

I would rather see anyone other than Eagle or Cheeki get voted out today.

[fontisian]

Unvote
Vote Zinto

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Zinto 4, Vaimes 3, Jackal 3, other candidates 1. Time to get moving, singleton voters.

BTW, my vote post was a crosspost with JAG's. So that was even more useful in eliminating the crop of 2-vote candidates. ...and it's also how I ended up voting away from the fray all the same.

[Chief Rum]

Vote Tally (as of Post #322)

Zinto (5)-- Narcizo (108), The Jackal (283), Vaimes (312), JAG (316), fontisian (321)
Vaimes (3)-- Shoveler (95), Zinto (163), cheekimonk (293)
The Jackal (3)-- Raven (106), timmae (154), britrock88 (317)
timmae (1)-- EagleFan (82)
Shoveler (1)-- MartinD (83)
cheekimonk (1)-- Autumn (264)
fontisian (1)-- MrBug708 (178)

Yet To Vote: Grover

[Vaimes]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Go ahead and get a claim out now?

Eager for info, are we?

Good thing I already claimed.

[Vaimes]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Unvote
Vote Zinto

Witch.

[Grover]

Though I questioned fontisian on her read, I do believe Vaimes is innocent. He was very playful in the first few posts about getting items, etc.

As far as Zinto goes, I haven't heard enough from him one way or the other.

Jackal? He's been fairly helpful, but nothing about him rubs me the wrong way.

So I've got a connundrum, because it's going to be one of these three to get the axe it looks like.

vote Zinto

If only because I feel better about not voting for Vaimes or Jackal.

[Shoveler]

Unvote Vaimes
Vote Jackal

Not sure if it is a good idea to keep the votes close with the duking that will most likely start happening.

Anyhow, I'm moving off of Vaimes. I dont see a good reason to sit on him today as he hasn't been around.

[Zinto]

Well this was an unfortunate run on me

[Vaimes]

fontisian: you not responding to my badgering is indicative of pleading guilty to dabbling in witchcraft. Just so you know.

Zinto:

[Vaimes]

That smiley (frowny?) is actually making me sad.

Please be a Wolf?

[britrock88]

Still have 4 singletons out there... also still ~90 minutes to lynch.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Vaimes

That smiley (frowny?) is actually making me sad.

Please be a Wolf?

Unfortunately, I am not. Fortunately, I do not have anything to reveal. Unfortunately, I have an item I wanted to use. Fortunately, it may be passed to one of my fellow villagers. Unfortunately, it may end up in wolfy hands.

[Shoveler]

Fun statistics for day one lynch, courtesy of Cheekicorp.

Chance of lynch leader being a duke: 50%
Chance of lynch leader duking to another duke: 46.67%
Chance of lynch leader duking to a wolf: 20%

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Still have 4 singletons out there... also still ~90 minutes to lynch.

Yeah I wonder if they are going to remember the deadline though. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a few people where they are.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by Grover

Though I questioned fontisian on her read, I do believe Vaimes is innocent. He was very playful in the first few posts about getting items, etc.

As far as Zinto goes, I haven't heard enough from him one way or the other.

Jackal? He's been fairly helpful, but nothing about him rubs me the wrong way.

So I've got a connundrum, because it's going to be one of these three to get the axe it looks like.

vote Zinto

If only because I feel better about not voting for Vaimes or Jackal.

Hey Zinto, if you're a duke, duke to Grover please.

[Chief Rum]

Stepping out for an hour for lunch. I'll be back in time to do vote tallies and of course the deadline, but someone may need to track vote tallies in the interim.

[Vaimes]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Unfortunately, I am not. Fortunately, I do not have anything to reveal. Unfortunately, I have an item I wanted to use. Fortunately, it may be passed to one of my fellow villagers. Unfortunately, it may end up in wolfy hands.

You should give it to me!

[Grover]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Hey Zinto, if you're a duke, duke to Grover please.

I would try and get me killed off if I spelled conundrum wrong too.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

In quoting that post I just noticed for the first time that the Cultist becomes a wolf if attacked. Want to make sure everyone else sees that too.

Oh shit, I completely missed that (and forgot the part about the cultist not being able to duke or kill, despite having read that). Thanks for the catch!

[Narcizo]

Meh. This isn't as fun as voting on a fairly blank slate and then having everyone else sort things out. I don't have much of a feeling about any of the leaders but I'm not liking the run on Zinto or how it's suddenly become a two-horse race. Of the three I think Zinto is the best candidate but I'm not enthused at the prospect of his death OR a possible duke to Jackal or Vaimes.

[Zinto]

I am curious to see how the voting for who sits in second goes as much as who sits in first. Vaimes being pushed down for Jackal is something to keep in mind when looking at the voting for today. A wolf really doesn't want to be in first or second this game.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Meh. This isn't as fun as voting on a fairly blank slate and then having everyone else sort things out. I don't have much of a feeling about any of the leaders but I'm not liking the run on Zinto or how it's suddenly become a two-horse race. Of the three I think Zinto is the best candidate but I'm not enthused at the prospect of his death OR a possible duke to Jackal or Vaimes.

Don't worry I will duke it to you because you placed the first vote.

[Autumn]

I have decent reads of both Jackal and Vaimes, and a neutral one of Zinto, so I'm going with that.

unvote cheekimonk
vote zinto

[Zinto]

Yuck, you guys really don't like me do you?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Hey Zinto, if you're a duke, duke to Grover please.

Originally Posted by Vaimes

You should give it to me!

Man. I'm already worrying about the day where these two will be together on a wolfteam.

[Vaimes]

I think I'm going to Daykill fontisian toMorrow.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I am curious to see how the voting for who sits in second goes as much as who sits in first. Vaimes being pushed down for Jackal is something to keep in mind when looking at the voting for today. A wolf really doesn't want to be in first or second this game.

Good point. But it might be optimistic to assume that the dukes that end up in LL fall into line with our ideas about duking to #2 to generate information. They might just take a vig shot, given the chance.

[britrock88]

Vote Tally (as of Post #347)

Zinto (7)-- Narcizo (108), The Jackal (283), Vaimes (312), JAG (316), fontisian (321), Grover (326), Autumn (343)
The Jackal (4)-- Raven (106), timmae (154), britrock88 (317), Shoveler (327)
Vaimes (2)-- Zinto (163), cheekimonk (293)
timmae (1)-- EagleFan (82)
Shoveler (1)-- MartinD (83)
fontisian (1)-- MrBug708 (178)

Approaching runaway territory.

[Narcizo]

"Approaching"?

Shouldn't wolf-Zinto be putting up more of a fight? I'm not really used to these situations. I guess he might be a duke and is trying save the argument for tomorrow but this feels like a villager to me.

[britrock88]

My hunch is that he's a hunter.