BCS Championship Game discussion thread

[wade moore]

Hah...

I laugh just looking at the screenshot.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Did Troy Smith hit on one of the linemen's girlfriends or something? Cause they're not even trying to block for him.

I have to assume that this is a function of defensive scheming - it's mostly not that the guys are getting flat out beaten by their defenders (though there's some of that), it's mostly that they are coming unblocked as the OL are looking disoriented, etc. The OSU line isn't the team strength it often is, but it's not dreadful -- but they have looked just dreadful tonight.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Tim Tebow looks like Jared Lorezen ... only with a lot more help.

[KWhit]

And to think we very nearly had OSU vs. Michigan tonight.

Shudders.

[ISiddiqui]

OSU defense is done... just look bone tired.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Tim Tebow looks like Jared Lorezen ... only with a lot more help.

Well, and about 100 less lbs ...

[Easy Mac]

Troy Smith's game today is historically bad for Heisman winners, even worse than Eric Crouch, the past few ones:

Troy Smith

4/13

36

2.8

0

1

also 9 rushes for -23 yards

How Heisman trophy winners have performed in bowl games since 1995:

1995

Eddie George, RB, Ohio State (328 carries, 1,927 yards, 24 TDs, 5.9 ypc).

Regular season: 303 carries, 1,820 yards, 23 touchdowns.

Bowl Game: 25 carries for 107 yards, one TD in a 20-14 loss to Tennessee in the Citrus Bowl.

1996

Danny Wuerffel, QB, Florida (207-for-360, 3,625 yards, 39 TDs, 13 INTs).

Regular season: 189-for-326, 3,319 yards, 36 TDs, 12 INTs.

Bowl game: 18-for-34, 306 yards, three TDs, one INT and a rushing TD in a 52-20 win in the Sugar Bowl over Florida State to give Florida its only national championship.

1997

Charles Woodson, DB, Michigan (eight INTs, 12 catches for 238 yards and two TDs, five carries for 21 yards and one TD, 36 punt returns for 301 yards and one TD)

Regular season: seven INTs, 33 punt returns for 283 yards and one TD, five carries for 21 yards and one TD, 11 catches for 231 yards and two TDs, three carries for 15 yards and one TD.

Bowl game: three punt returns for 18 yards, two carries for six yards, one catch for seven yards, one INT in a 21-16 win over Washington State in the Rose Bowl to give Michigan the AP national title.

1998

Ricky Williams, RB, Texas (391 carries, 2,327, 29 TDs, 5.9 ypc)

Regular season: 361 carries for 2,124 yards, 27 TDs, 5.9 ypc

Bowl game: 30 carries for 203 yards and two TDs in a 38-11 Cotton Bowl win over Mississippi State.

1999

Ron Dayne, RB, Wisconsin (337 carries, 2,034 yards, 6.0 ypc, 19 touchdowns)

Regular season: 303 carries for 1,834 yards, 6.0 ypc, 18 TDs

Bowl game: 34 carries for 200 yards, one TD in a 38-31 win over UCLA in the Rose Bowl.

2000

Chris Weinke, QB, Florida State (291-for-483, 4,441 yards, 33 TDs, 13 INTs)

Regular season: 266-for-431, 4,167 yards, 33 TDs, 11 INTs

Bowl game: 25-for-52, 274 yards, two INTs in a 13-2 national championship loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl.

2001

Eric Crouch, QB, Nebraska (225 carries, 1,229 yards, 18 TDs, 110-for-204, 1,572 yards, 11 INTs, seven TDs, one catch for 63 yards, one TD)

Regular season: 203 carries for 1,115 yards, 18 TDs, 5.5 ypc, 105-for-189, 1,510 yards, 10 INTs, seven TDs, one catch for 63 yards, one TD.

Bowl game: 22 carries for 114 yards, 5-for-15 for 62 yards and an interception in a 37-14 loss in the national championship to Miami in the Rose Bowl.

2002

Carson Palmer, QB, USC (309-for-489, 3,942, 33 TDs, 10 INTs).

Regular season: 288-for-458, 3,639 yards, 32 TDs.

Bowl game: 21-for-31, 303 yards, one TD in a 38-17 win over Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

2003

Jason White, QB, Oklahoma (278-for-451, 3,846 yards, 40 TDs, 10 INTs).

Regular season: 265-for-414, 3,744, 40 TDs, 8 INTs.

Bowl game: 13-for-37, 102 yards, and two interceptions as Oklahoma lost 21-14 to LSU in the BCS national championship game in the Sugar Bowl.

2004

Matt Leinart, QB, USC (269-for-412, 3,322 yards, 33 TDs, six INTs).

Regular season: 251-for-377, 2,990 yards, 28 TDs, six INTs.

Bowl game: 18-for-35, 332 yards and five TDs as USC won its second straight national championship with a 55-19 win over Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl.

2005

Reggie Bush, RB, USC (200 carries for 1,777 yards and 16 TDs, 8.7 ypc, 37 catches for 478 yards and two TDs, 18 punt returns for 179 yards and one TD).

Regular season: 187 carries for 1,694 yards and 15 TDs, 9.1 ypc, 31 catches for 383 yards and one TD.

Bowl game: 13 carries for 83 yards and one TD, six catches for 95 yards as USC’s try for a third straight national title was foiled in a 41-38 loss to Texas in the Rose Bowl.

[Eaglesfan27]

That looked like it would have been an interesting play if not for the false start.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I have to assume that this is a function of defensive scheming - it's mostly not that the guys are getting flat out beaten by their defenders (though there's some of that), it's mostly that they are coming unblocked as the OL are looking disoriented, etc. The OSU line isn't the team strength it often is, but it's not dreadful -- but they have looked just dreadful tonight.

Well, yeah...UF is running a bunch of DL twists. On that play, the OSU LT went right only to find that guy cutting in towards the center. By the time the tackle knew where the guy he was supposed to block was at, he was already driving Smith's head into the dirt.

In short: It was party, party time for the UF front four.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

OSU defense is done... just look bone tired.

Yes. 2nd and Goal and the OSU defense looked beat.

[QuikSand]

You can't really judge all that much by one game, but this Meyer/Florida offense does seem awfully tough to defend. They clearly have real talent, but the scheme does a lot to flatter them and to get around their weaknesses (lack of a strong traditional running game, most notably).

The notion that a generally disciplined team like OSU with all this time to prepare for them has seemed this baffled is inexcusable... but I presume that throughout the season, the Florida offense wasn't such an unstoppable juggernaut... or, you know, maybe those of us on the sports fringe would have heard a bit more about them before now.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Well, yeah...UF is running a bunch of DL twists. On that play, the OSU LT went right only to find that guy cutting in towards the center. By the time the tackle knew where the guy he was supposed to block was at, he was already driving Smith's head into the dirt.

In short: It was party, party time for the UF front four.

If I'm giving the game ball, it deifnitely goes to the UF front 4. Sure Leak has played great, but if tOSU scores like they usually do, that is negated a bit. The line has just completely changed the outlook of this game.

[st.cronin]

Heck,

New Hampshire beat Northwestern.
Northwestern beat Miami OH.
Miami OH beat Bowling Green.

LarryMcG has already finished that one. But, clearly, New Hampshire has the best college football team in the country this year.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

You can't really judge all that much by one game, but this Meyer/Florida offense does seem awfully tough to defend. They clearly have real talent, but the scheme does a lot to flatter them and to get around their weaknesses (lack of a strong traditional running game, most notably).

The notion that a generally disciplined team liek OSU with all this time to prepare for them has seemed this baffled is inexcusable... but I presume that throughout the season, the Florida offense wasn't such an unstoppalbe juggernaut... or, you know, maybe those of us on the sports fringe would have heard a bit more about them before now.

i was pretty unimpressed during the season, and I saw practically all of their games.

[thetrilogy]

I LUV IT.

Noting but buckeyes being jammed down our throats here for the last 5 months.

THAT IS WHEY THEY PLAY THE GAMES.
THUS ENDETH THE LESSON.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

You can't really judge all that much by one game, but this Meyer/Florida offense does seem awfully tough to defend. They clearly have real talent, but the scheme does a lot to flatter them and to get around their weaknesses (lack of a strong traditional running game, most notably).

The notion that a generally disciplined team liek OSU with all this time to prepare for them has seemed this baffled is inexcusable... but I presume that throughout the season, the Florida offense wasn't such an unstoppalbe juggernaut... or, you know, maybe those of us on the sports fringe would have heard a bit more about them before now.

Yeah it seems this offense is a bit more than gimmicky, eh? True, it was derided at Utah, because it was Utah and they beat Pitt. But this is Florida, and they won the SEC, and now are drubbing OSU.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

You can't really judge all that much by one game, but this Meyer/Florida offense does seem awfully tough to defend. They clearly have real talent, but the scheme does a lot to flatter them and to get around their weaknesses (lack of a strong traditional running game, most notably).

The notion that a generally disciplined team liek OSU with all this time to prepare for them has seemed this baffled is inexcusable... but I presume that throughout the season, the Florida offense wasn't such an unstoppalbe juggernaut... or, you know, maybe those of us on the sports fringe would have heard a bit more about them before now.

From my experience with UF this year as a SEC fan and UF hater, the UF offense has been what I would call "inconsistent". They have played like this in spurts, but this is the first time they have really put it together from start to finish against a quality opponent. I think anyone who has watched them much this year thought they were capable of this, but they always seemed to just not put it together for 4 quarters.

[VPI97]

TEBOW FOR TEH WIN!!1!

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

That's nothing.

Stanford beat Washington
Washington beat UCLA
UCLA beat USC
USC beat Arkansas
Arkansas beat Auburn
Auburn beat Florida
Florida (is) beat(ing) Ohio State

And Stanford had a much better SOS than Temple

Well clearly Temple and Stanford should have played for the National Championship.

[KWhit]

The underdog has won almost every one of these BCS Natl Championship games. When will people realize that we just don't know after 11-12 games who the best teams are?

[cartman]

A playoff more than likely would have had a Florida-LSU rematch in the final.

[SFL Cat]

I guess that retired Big 10 Coach who picked Florida to win and said Ohio State hasn't played anyone besides Michigan isn't looking so crazy any more.

[ISiddiqui]

I wonder what all those Florida fans who wanted to replace Leak the last few years (especially this year) are saying now? Good for Leak, but almost a shame that those asshole fans get to share in it as well.

[JonInMiddleGA]

[Easy Mac]

to be fair, 3 years ago, Leak was in the opposite position.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

I guess that retired Big 10 Coach who picked Florida to win and said Ohio State hasn't played anyone besides Michigan isn't looking so crazy any more.

Was that Barry Alvarez?

[SFL Cat]

Leak won't be an NFL QB, plain and simple.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

Leak won't be an NFL QB, plain and simple.

Crazy

[SFL Cat]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Was that Barry Alvarez?

No, it wasn't Alvarez. I'll have to get my paper to check it.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I wonder what all those Florida fans who wanted to replace Leak the last few years (especially this year) are saying now? Good for Leak, but almost a shame that those asshole fans get to share in it as well.

No different than the Texas fans that wanted Mack Brown run out of town before last season. There will always be disgruntled fans, and at the top programs they get more attention.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And Troy Smith continues his drive for negative total yardage.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

Leak won't be an NFL QB, plain and simple.

Uh, I really, really disagree. I think both qbs in this game end up starting in the NFL.

[MizzouRah]

Wow, is about all I can come up with.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Originally Posted by KWhit

And to think we very nearly had OSU vs. Michigan tonight.

Shudders.

Very true. If the voters had been dumb enough to go for the rematch, we actually would have had either UM or OSU as national champions. Judging by the thorough whoopings they received from USC and UF, that would have been a travesty.

This season has proved another college football truism. The Big 10 (especially UM) is overrated.

N.B. I am not a Big 10 hater, hell I was pulling hard for OSU against Miami a few years back. And I love Paterno.

[amdaily]

I bet after the Aloha Bowl Zwick will be drafted above Smith. Always been a fan, he should have never been benched 2 years ago.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by cartman

No different than the Texas fans that wanted Mack Brown run out of town before last season. There will always be disgruntled fans, and at the top programs they get more attention.

And I was sad that those asshole fans would get to celebrate the title as well.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Uh, I really, really disagree. I think both qbs in this game end up starting in the NFL.

Leak will get a shot, but he really doesn't have great arm strength. Tends to put too much air underneath any pass over 20 yards. That's why the OSU defense scheme has been ridiculous all night.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by amdaily

I bet after the Aloha Bowl Zwick will be drafted above Smith. Always been a fan, he should have never been benched 2 years ago.

omg

[JonInMiddleGA]

Quite a few records could be broken tonight (although just one busted coverage could change a lot of it).

Fewest Passing Yards, Championship Game
62-Nebraska vs. Miami (Fla.), Rose, Jan. 3, 2002 (5 completions)

Fewest Completions, Championship Game
5-Nebraska vs. Miami (Fla.), Rose, Jan. 3, 2002 (15 attempts)
7-Ohio St. vs. Miami (Fla.), Fiesta, Jan. 3, 2003 (21 attempts)

Fewest Total Yards, Championship Game
154-Oklahoma vs. LSU, Sugar, Jan. 4, 2004 (52 rush, 102 pass)

Most Total Plays, Championship Game
82-Texas vs. Southern California, Rose, Jan. 4, 2006

[SFL Cat]

Leak is just another in a long line of Florida QBs who can look back at a nice college career, but won't do much in the pros.

At this point, I think Smith is a poor man's Michael Vick.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Leak will get a shot, but he really doesn't have great arm strength. Tends to put too much air underneath any pass over 20 yards. That's why the OSU defense scheme has been ridiculous all night.

One thing I've learned about myself - I'm a terrible judge of what college QB's will/won't be good in the NFL.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

Leak is just another in a long line of Florida QBs who can look back at a nice college career, but won't do much in the pros.

At this point, I think Smith is a poor man's Michael Vick.

Other than color, they're not very similar

[cartman]

Originally Posted by amdaily

I bet after the Aloha Bowl Zwick will be drafted above Smith. Always been a fan, he should have never been benched 2 years ago.

As a Texas fan, I wish he would have played at the game in Austin this season.

[st.cronin]

Troy Smith is pretty much Drew Brees. Chris Leak is in the same mold, but I don't think he's as good.

[ISiddiqui]

What a great result for Florida... I wonder what all those "experts" who predicted OSU would roll over Florida are saying now?

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

I bet after the Aloha Bowl Zwick will be drafted above Smith. Always been a fan, he should have never been benched 2 years ago.

Dumbest statement of the night

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

What a great result for Florida... I wonder what all those "experts" who predicted OSU would roll over Florida are saying now?

"51 days"

"Ginn was hurt"

"I bent my buckeye"

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Florida just delivered up a 40-burger.

[st.cronin]

I would like to congratulate the New England Patriots Farm Team for winning the Tostitos Bowl. I would also like to congratulate the Boise State Broncos for WINNING THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MizzouRah]

It's kind of like basketball now, on any given day.