U.S. Congresswoman Shot

[JPhillips]

It would be nice if Rep. Wilson would tell these assholes to knock it off:

As the debate over the use of violent political rhetoric heats up in the aftermath of the shooting in Arizona that killed six and left Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in critical condition, a South Carolina gun company may find itself in an uncomfortable position.

Corey Hutchins, a reporter for the South Carolina alt weekly Free Times, reports that a South Carolina gun and accessories company is selling semi-automatic rifle components with the words "You Lie" inscribed on them.

The engraving references Rep. Joe Wilson's (R-SC) outburst during President Barack Obama's health care speech to Congress in 2009.

Palmetto State Armory is selling the gun parts to "honor our esteemed congressman Joe Wilson," according to the company's website. "Only 999 of these will be produced, get yours before they are gone!"

At the bottom of the page, the company acknowledges that the product is "neither endorsed nor affiliated with Joe Wilson or his campaign."

Palmetto State Armory president Jamin McCallum told the Free Times his heart goes out to the victims in Arizona, but did not comment on how and when the idea for the "you lie" part came up. Palmetto State Armory did not immediately respond to TPM's request for comment.

The gun parts are made for the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. The lower receiver is technically the "firearm" component of the gun, and it's needed to make the gun operate. It also houses the gun's serial number.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by panerd

And he is a banned poster, it isn't really a question up for debate. And the banned persona he used to be was just as annoying.

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Hadn't been brought to my attention. He's done now.

Oh my Goodness. Did Ben wipe him from the pattern? I can't even see his account now.

Sorry, I'm catching up on the Wheel of Time.

[spleen1015]

?

Who got balefired?

[panerd]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I don't deny that Steve used strong language, but he was talking about extremists. I didn't think there was much love around here, even amongst the conservatives, for Palin or the current incarnation of the teabagger movement, so I don't see how that would be so incendiary. Furthermore, he was using the strong language partly to demonstrate exactly why Loughner's actions had nothing to do with Palin et. al.

But as I said, disagreeing with Steve's argument is fine. I just found the responses over the top, especially your cheap shot about his identity, especially since you recently criticized liberals for attacking Jon's posts.

I thought it was common knowledge that he was Jessie Ewiok and probably also Mr. Bigglesworth. Wasn't really looking to get him banned but can't say he ever really added to a discussion. I just figured he learned when he was banned the first time about his nonsense and reminded him of it every once in a while.

EDIT: And I didn't report him either. Unless Ben happened to be reading the thread and saw my post?

[AENeuman]

It's strange how much I enjoy anger on the right and humor on the left, and hate when the 2 switch.

I guess my point is, if Jon starts being funny, ban him

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Oh my Goodness. Did Ben wipe him from the pattern? I can't even see his account now.

Sorry, I'm catching up on the Wheel of Time.

I installed a hack a while back to get rid of spambots in one fell swoop. With one click, it bans all IPs they've used, deletes all posts, threads, PMs, etc. That account has been coming in from tons of IPs, so it was a time-saver to just use the hack rather than wasting my own time getting every unique IP one by one.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by panerd

Unless Ben happened to be reading the thread and saw my post?

This

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I installed a hack a while back to get rid of spambots in one fell swoop. With one click, it bans all IPs they've used, deletes all posts, threads, PMs, etc. That account has been coming in from tons of IPs, so it was a time-saver to just use the hack rather than wasting my own time getting every unique IP one by one.

PEOPLE LOST POSTS!?!?

[SirFozzie]

and trust Sarah Palin to throw napalm on the fire.

"blood libel"? Are you serious? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

(It refers to the false accusation, dating back centuries, that Jews would sacrifice Christian children for various nefarious or even religious purposes -- such as using their blood as an ingredient in the unleavened bread in Passover ceremonies. It was a core tenet of anti-Semitism, widely believed in medieval times and beyond, and often resulted in persecution, murders and other actions against Jews. Considering that the target of the attack was Jewish......)

[sabotai]

A quick search shows the video has already been removed. It's still writen out all over the place, though.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

and trust Sarah Palin to throw napalm on the fire.

"blood libel"? Are you serious? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

(It refers to the false accusation, dating back centuries, that Jews would sacrifice Christian children for various nefarious or even religious purposes -- such as using their blood as an ingredient in the unleavened bread in Passover ceremonies. It was a core tenet of anti-Semitism, widely believed in medieval times and beyond, and often resulted in persecution, murders and other actions against Jews. Considering that the target of the attack was Jewish......)

That term has been around for a couple of days. Somebody on the right thought that would be a good description and either the term was communicated around or there were a lot of copycats. She was merely using the right approved term by the time of her video.

[molson]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

and trust Sarah Palin to throw napalm on the fire.

"blood libel"? Are you serious? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

(It refers to the false accusation, dating back centuries, that Jews would sacrifice Christian children for various nefarious or even religious purposes -- such as using their blood as an ingredient in the unleavened bread in Passover ceremonies. It was a core tenet of anti-Semitism, widely believed in medieval times and beyond, and often resulted in persecution, murders and other actions against Jews. Considering that the target of the attack was Jewish......)

In fairness to Palin, I don't think she's educated enough to make that connection. But it might say something about the crowd she runs with.

[chesapeake]

Originally Posted by molson

In fairness to Palin, I don't think she's educated enough to make that connection. But it might say something about the crowd she runs with.

I'm not sure I buy that, although I admit that she can plausibly deny any knowledge of 'blood libel's' historic context based on her ignorance of so many other things. One thing I know for sure: she will never, ever apologize for using the term, no matter how many people are offended.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

I'm not sure I buy that, although I admit that she can plausibly deny any knowledge of 'blood libel's' historic context based on her ignorance of so many other things. One thing I know for sure: she will never, ever apologize for using the term, no matter how many people are offended.

Palin's standard way of getting out of any misstep is to ignore it & if it is brought up to simply say something like "there you go..."

[JonInMiddleGA]

Thought this was interesting enough to share, although there's nothing really groundbreaking in it. This link is G4's summary of an article by the WSJ about the shooter's gaming history, primarily as a player of Earth Empires.

My biggest takeaway from it was that, given the number of "gamers" in some form or fashion today (from consoles to MMORPG's to Zynga/Facebook), there's probably coming a point where the majority of criminals are "gamers" ... same as the majority of coffee drinkers, people who watch Idol, and pretty much anything else in the U.S.

Jared Lee Loughner A Gamer: Arizona Shooter Played Strategy Games - G4tv.com

[Buccaneer]

You mean it's safe to come back now to FOFC without DT and Bollea?

I thought I had made the connection to Bigglesworth/Ewaik/Bollea a couple of years ago but gave him the benefit of the doubt. But it fit the pattern of Ewiak, an extremist attack dog that only posts to rile people. But he did write well. I am still unclear as to why now and how it was found out.

JonInMGA is funny in a rednek kind of way but you got admit, he's consistent and predictable. But we've seen other sides to him, unlike Bollea.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I thought I had made the connection to Bigglesworth/Ewaik/Bollea a couple of years ago but gave him the benefit of the doubt. But it fit the pattern of Ewiak, an extremist attack dog that only posts to rile people. But he did write well. I am still unclear as to why now and how it was found out.

I try to avoid the Obama thread like the plague. I'd read some of his posts elsewhere and found him to be quite annoying, but I had no idea anyone was making a connection to former posters. I'm betting that unless people were reporting him Ben never saw any of that until it was brought up in this thread today.

[stevew]

Bigglesworth was supposedly from philly. But the connection between Ewiak and Bollea is obvious.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

It would be nice if Rep. Wilson would tell these assholes to knock it off:

Oh, South Carolina. The gift that keeps on giving.

The Daily Show With Jon Stewart	Mon - Thurs 11p / 10c
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SI

[Buccaneer]

For what it's worth, the user name was Jonathan Ezarik.

[JPhillips]

Dear AZ college students,

It's not a campaign rally.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

For what it's worth, the user name was Jonathan Ezarik.

That was actually a different guy. Jesse Ewiak is the one who was banned. Jonathan Ezarik just hasn't posted in a long time.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That was actually a different guy. Jesse Ewiak is the one who was banned. Jonathan Ezarik just hasn't posted in a long time.

My bad. Got my metaphors mixed up.

[sterlingice]

What ever happened to that Anrhy-- that guys whose name I can't spell- anyways

SI

[Buccaneer]

I think he grew up.

[sterlingice]

SI

[RainMaker]

Is anyone else blown away by her recovery? She was shot point blank in the head. The bullet went through her brain. They are saying she has been responsive to commands, giving hand signals and opener her eyes. I wouldn't doubt she's got a long recovery and potentially lifelong issues to overcome, but the fact someone can survive that is just remarkable.

[Bad-example]

We need some help from Hollywood in this matter.

1. Let the authorities research this punk and make a list of all the people that he cares about.
2. Then, a Hollywood studio can create a video clip simulating them all being executed in brutal fashion.
3. Tell this monster there has been a tragic shooting and show him the tape.

[jeff061]

I'm not sure he cares about anyone.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Is anyone else blown away by her recovery? She was shot point blank in the head. The bullet went through her brain. They are saying she has been responsive to commands, giving hand signals and opener her eyes. I wouldn't doubt she's got a long recovery and potentially lifelong issues to overcome, but the fact someone can survive that is just remarkable.

This.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Is anyone else blown away by her recovery? She was shot point blank in the head. The bullet went through her brain. They are saying she has been responsive to commands, giving hand signals and opener her eyes. I wouldn't doubt she's got a long recovery and potentially lifelong issues to overcome, but the fact someone can survive that is just remarkable.

This relates to teh fact that he got too close when he fired. The bullet went through without doing the massive damage it would have had it been fired further away and slowed more during travel.

A .45 shell from 20 feet will leave an exit wound the size of a grapefruit, but from 2 feet you might miss the hole altogether at first glance.

She's amazingly lucky that he was too close. Hopefully she will recover without too many issues.

[RendeR]

DOLA: I have no clue what gun he actually used, I haven't caught that in the articles. I just used a .45 for an example.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

JonInMGA is funny in a rednek kind of way but you got admit, he's consistent and predictable. But we've seen other sides to him, unlike Bollea.

And, amazingly enough, JIMG posts about.... sports! Considering the forum is hosted on Operation Sports, I think that's probably a point in the poster's favor.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Just in case there was any doubt of the Bollea-Ewiak connection.

AGSN News Blog - American Government Simulation

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Radii

I try to avoid the Obama thread like the plague. I'd read some of his posts elsewhere and found him to be quite annoying, but I had no idea anyone was making a connection to former posters. I'm betting that unless people were reporting him Ben never saw any of that until it was brought up in this thread today.

Yeah, I really wasn’t trying to get him banned. He was often annoying but it really wasn't that hard to avoid him, just stay out of the politics threads. I was just commenting (like me and other posters have done numerous times) that he should have known from his previous banning when he is starting to get ridiculous again. I actually feel kind of bad but I am sure he will show back up here soon enough with another assumed name. Just watch for the guy that quotes out of the Communist Manifesto all the time.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by RendeR

This relates to teh fact that he got too close when he fired. The bullet went through without doing the massive damage it would have had it been fired further away and slowed more during travel.

A .45 shell from 20 feet will leave an exit wound the size of a grapefruit, but from 2 feet you might miss the hole altogether at first glance.

She's amazingly lucky that he was too close. Hopefully she will recover without too many issues.

Oddly, after reading this, I thought of the Hunt for the Red October and how Ramius charges the torpedo to get to it before the firing mechanism is released...

[Warhammer]

People sometimes forget that kinetics are fairly complicated. Sure, a 9mm round may have more energy, but it has a smaller cross-section, so it is more difficult to transmit that energy to something. A .45 has a larger cross-section so it is easier to transmit the kinetic energy to something and lessen its own energy, so the energy transfer is greater, which means more damage to tissue.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Just in case there was any doubt of the Bollea-Ewiak connection.

AGSN News Blog - American Government Simulation

He always came off to me as a paid shill for the democratic party or had a vested interest in the democratic party. Very irritating.

[Ksyrup]

Operation: Indoctrinate Text Sim Junkies... ABORT!

[Qwikshot]

I think the biggest question I have, is what will change?

Is it a tragedy, definately...but what will change from it?

Will we implement better systems for dealing with mentally ill?

Will we create more security for our elected officials?

Will we change how elected officials deal with their constituents?

Will we change anything with relation to gun control?

Will the FBI or a different security group oversee potential danger types by checking interet sites more?

Or will we say, that's a shame, mull it over, and go back to business as usual until the next time?

[lordscarlet]

I'm going with h.

[jeff061]

Bad shit happens sometimes. Any action taken will be for show. You can't prevent everything, let's not waste money trying to.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

I think the biggest question I have, is what will change?

Shall I assume that this is a rhetorical question?

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Shall I assume that this is a rhetorical question?

Sadly yes...which is what I thought.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Just in case there was any doubt of the Bollea-Ewiak connection.

AGSN News Blog - American Government Simulation

Aah, online government simulations.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Just in case there was any doubt of the Bollea-Ewiak connection.

AGSN News Blog - American Government Simulation

I don't really understand what's going on on that website. Was stevebollea a senator or something from an fictional government? Or maybe he got the real government and simulation government confused.

I wonder if government text sims, like sport sims, can convince people that running countries and teams is really easy and that they'd be really good at it. That would definitely explain stevebollea's posts.

[Warhammer]

"Ladies and gentleman, I am here to announce that I am running for President. I won an online simulation!"

[larrymcg421]

I've actually been a member of that simulation and many other simulations like it in the past. It's just a model of the US government where you debate politics, run for office, etc. It kinda works like a government MMORPG. I played them periodically, but they became too time consuming.

[molson]

Report: It Going To Take Way More Than An Inconceivable Act Of Violence For Country To Rise Above PoliticsJanuary 13, 2011 | ISSUE 47•02

WASHINGTON—Sources struggling to make sense of the shooting rampage in Tucson confirmed Wednesday that it would take much more than brutally gunning down a congresswoman, a federal judge, a 9-year-old girl, and 17 others for the nation to rise above its current corrosive state of politics. "This was obviously a horrific tragedy, but nowhere near the unspeakable manifestation of evil it would take for politicians and pundits to act like decent human beings," said analyst Grant Ames, adding that this event would have been ripe for disgusting political opportunism even if 30 or 40 people had been killed. "Perhaps if some senators were kidnapped and buried alive as they screamed for mercy we might be able to rise above politics. But they'd probably have to be decapitated, on live television, for it to make any lasting difference. Then again, it still might not." Ames told reporters he couldn't rule out the possibility that no matter what happens, they will all just continue to act like complete assholes.

Report: It Going To Take Way More Than An Inconceivable Act Of Violence For Country To Rise Above Politics | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

[lungs]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I've actually been a member of that simulation and many other simulations like it in the past. It's just a model of the US government where you debate politics, run for office, etc. It kinda works like a government MMORPG. I played them periodically, but they became too time consuming.

Do you ever remember a jackass troll named Larry Dobbins? Yeah, that was me.