Werewolf XLI - Apocalypse Awakens - Game over! - Page 71

path12 · 01-25-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

(Mathemanic)

SS -- Spidey's power is pretty, um, powerful, but I'm going to guess that he's not quite as tough as you seem to think if we either go past it (by levying more attacks) or someone interferes with it.

(Silver Surfer)

Do you think it's a passive defense or something that takes energy? I thought passive the way he described it after the attack, but I could be mistaken.

Barkeep49 · 01-25-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Dola, e.g., I think Magneto mentioned the idea of immobilizing him although I don't know if he is actually subject to that from Magneto since Magneto's power generally revolves around manipulating metal.

All physical actions are subject to immobilization. I can use the iron in your blood, if need be.

DaddyTorgo · 01-25-2007, 05:43 PM

doesn't the fact that swaggs hasn't been around at all tell us at least as much as the fact that spidey has "spidey sense" (which btw is a character-consistent power) ??

seems to me it does.

path12 · 01-25-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

on the other half of my question...any reason why you feel spidey (who at least has some vouch-ing) is a better target than storm (who has none) ?

(Silver Surfer)

Actually, no. My feelings toward anyone are just gut, because I have no night actions that can help me investigate, so I have to rely on in thread and what others have to say (I really don't know how much voting records help here with the inability to switch them around). The people I know least about are Storm, Venom and Hulk.

path12 · 01-25-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

doesn't the fact that swaggs hasn't been around at all tell us at least as much as the fact that spidey has "spidey sense" (which btw is a character-consistent power) ??

seems to me it does.

(ooc) Swaggs has laid low as a wolf before. I don't know if that's what's going on here or not. He does play differently game to game, which makes him so hard to read. (/ooc)

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-25-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

Do you think it's a passive defense or something that takes energy? I thought passive the way he described it after the attack, but I could be mistaken.

Looks like I'll have to explain it again.

My Spidey Sense (which was mentioned in the write-up) is a passive action. Every day it drains energy from me. It allows me to dodge the first three attacks against me, unless the people attacking me are extremely accurate. The only reason it looks like I'm powerful is because I avoided a lot of damage, but that was only in three attacks. If I had been attacked three times by someone punching me, the same thing would have happened. It's not the amount of damage handed out, it's the timing.

SPIDER-MAN

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-25-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

As for last night, I put no stock in that at all. You knew you were gonna come under some kind of scrutiny. There was no way you were going to be making any night kills.

Why would Apocalypse or his Horsemen need to go out and follow someone? Would they even have that ability?

SPIDER-MAN

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

(Mathemanic)

As improbable as it may seem that Venom's attack only did one damage, I believe there were no team attacks on Magneto, as the last post from hoops that I have enumerating them (two days ago) showed that only Venom (of the four attackers) was not a free agent. If there was team-based sabotage, then it was Venom sabotaging his own attack. I suppose that's not inconceivable, but I doubt we'll be able to prove it either way.

The sneak attack that I executed yesterday on Magneto only did 1 point of damage. It was not powered up and it has another effect/benefit to me other than the damage it causes to someone else.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-25-2007, 06:21 PM

(Mathemanic)

Thanks for the clairification, Venom.

path12 · 01-25-2007, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Why would Apocalypse or his Horsemen need to go out and follow someone? Would they even have that ability?

SPIDER-MAN

(Silver Surfer)

My understanding is that if Apoc picks his horsemen, that doesn't negate their abilities that are intrinsic to their character.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-25-2007, 06:29 PM

(ooc) The implication in the rules is that the powers had already been selected at the time that Apocalypse was selected and then picked his horsemen. There's an indicating that he picked up some additional abilities of his own inherent with being Apocalypse, no mention if the same thing happened with the horsemen. (/ooc)

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-25-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

The sneak attack that I executed yesterday on Magneto only did 1 point of damage. It was not powered up and it has another effect/benefit to me other than the damage it causes to someone else.

The attack gives you a benefit? Is that correct? Would you mind telling us what that benefit is? If you'd rather not, I understand.

SPIDER-MAN

Barkeep49 · 01-25-2007, 06:34 PM

I would have to believe except for the ability to kill and likely to communicate that the horesemen recieved no bonus powers where as Apocolypse likely did recieve some special doodads.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-25-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

My understanding is that if Apoc picks his horsemen, that doesn't negate their abilities that are intrinsic to their character.

That seems like it would give them too much of an advantage. They get a free kill (doesn't cost energy) every night and they get to keep other night actions?

It would help if we knew where Doom was killed. Was he killed in his room like Marvel? If so, that would hint at them not having other night actions, wouldn't it?

SPIDER-MAN

gi · 01-25-2007, 06:37 PM

I'm leaning towards favoring Wolverine's instinct on who to attack. Since everytime I've attacked, it has been on one of the 12. Unless there is an early team atlantic alliance consense on who to attack.

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

The attack gives you a benefit? Is that correct? Would you mind telling us what that benefit is? If you'd rather not, I understand.

SPIDER-MAN

It provides a chance of providing a benefit directly to me.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-25-2007, 06:50 PM

(Mathemanic)
That was at least a page back, Britain, could you refresh my memory on who he favored?

Mr. Wednesday · 01-25-2007, 06:51 PM

Dola, his last observation was to look at "the ends of the list", which seems like a decent idea in terms of people that we distrust but a horrible idea on the other end since it would basically mean attacking a supposed member of the Twelve.

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 06:55 PM

(Venom)

I plan on going with Magneto or Mathmanic at this point.

Storm raises some concerns as her player is definately playing his Wolf style game of not being around until close to the wire. Or not showing up until after the vote.

Spiderman is not even confirmed in my eyse. Following someone is just as likely bad as good.

On the trusted side, I see Prof X as a likely conversion by Doom.

Barkeep49 · 01-25-2007, 06:58 PM

So if storm is raising all those concerns why not go after her?

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

(Venom)

Storm raises some concerns as her player is definately playing his Wolf style game of not being around until close to the wire. Or not showing up until after the vote.

.

I have to clarify this to mean being very UTR, not posting much until late or posting after the day recap is sent. Or just posting when heat is coming.

DaddyTorgo · 01-25-2007, 07:00 PM

that's been my question all along barkeep. and i'm starting to question more and more those that are saying she raises concerns but then dismiss them out of hand and won't go after swaggs.

DaddyTorgo · 01-25-2007, 07:01 PM

dinner. afk

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

So if storm is raising all those concerns why not go after her?

Because, I think you are the most likely bad guy and Mathmanic is next. Magneto is a very powerful character and likely a good bad guy pick. Barkeep is often heralded as a good player to have. Which then leads me to wonder why he as not gotten DD's special communication yet......

Mathmanic's character seems to imply the possibility of seer type abilities as his super powers are mental based.

Storm is probably tied for third with Spiderman.

If the attack went to Storm, I would maybe go in that direction. Depends on who initiates it.

path12 · 01-25-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Because, I think you are the most likely bad guy and Mathmanic is next. Magneto is a very powerful character and likely a good bad guy pick. Barkeep is often heralded as a good player to have. Which then leads me to wonder why he as not gotten DD's special communication yet.......

(Silver Surfer)

If DD is bad we're toast.

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

If DD is bad we're toast.

I've thought of taking out DD to validate the information we have been recieving. But so far it feels like the info is okay. I'm about 60% on that feeling.

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

that's been my question all along barkeep. and i'm starting to question more and more those that are saying she raises concerns but then dismiss them out of hand and won't go after swaggs.

I'll go, just start the show mr. mouth.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-25-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

If DD is bad we're toast.

(Mathemanic)

In what sense?

What has he given us to date?

He gave us a bunch of stuff on Doom -- after Doom was dead. He's said that Spidey is telling the truth about only having one night action, I think, is there anything else?

hoopsguy · 01-25-2007, 07:13 PM

Attack report so far for Day 6:

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 07:13 PM

(Venom)

WITHERING BLOW to MAGNETO

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 07:14 PM

Sorry, can't wait all day. Gotta run in a minute and I wanted to make my statement.

Barkeep49 · 01-25-2007, 07:14 PM

I'm too obvious: I have been killed repeatedly early on in games. This is the longest I've lived in a game, in fact the first time I've lived past Day 3, in I believe 2 and a half plus months. Not only am I a largely suspicious player, I picked a powerful player. I didn't get picked because I am too obvious.

Look at who we know to be horsemen: WVU and LSG. Both fit the experienced veternan profile without being one of the "big" names of WW. I think Swaggs fits that profile. As do you Grammaticus.

Barkeep49 · 01-25-2007, 07:14 PM

I guess I have to decide pretty quickly if my goal is to survive or to assist in an attack since I doubt I can do both today.

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm too obvious: I have been killed repeatedly early on in games. This is the longest I've lived in a game, in fact the first time I've lived past Day 3, in I believe 2 and a half plus months. Not only am I a largely suspicious player, I picked a powerful player. I didn't get picked because I am too obvious.

Look at who we know to be horsemen: WVU and LSG. Both fit the experienced veternan profile without being one of the "big" names of WW. I think Swaggs fits that profile. As do you Grammaticus.

If I were a bad guy, I would have picked LSG because she ALWAYS acts like she is bad and we generally discount it as her standard behavior. So she could hide in plain site in that manner.

Swaggs may very well be bad, I certainly don't have anything supporting him as good.

If someone would have taken a swing at him, I'm would go in too.

path12 · 01-25-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

He gave us a bunch of stuff on Doom -- after Doom was dead. He's said that Spidey is telling the truth about only having one night action, I think, is there anything else?

(Silver Surfer)

There's the fact that most people trust him.

path12 · 01-25-2007, 07:22 PM

(Silver Surfer)

Dola, for what it's worth I agree with your take on him.

Barkeep49 · 01-25-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

If I were a bad guy, I would have picked LSG because she ALWAYS acts like she is bad and we generally discount it as her standard behavior. So she could hide in plain site in that manner.

Swaggs may very well be bad, I certainly don't have anything supporting him as good.

If someone would have taken a swing at him, I'm would go in too.

Well I'm glad we agree LSG is a good choice. I just think I prove that I don't fit the profile, especially because I know I'm good.

DaddyTorgo · 01-25-2007, 07:26 PM

gram...i'm not making an attack. i only have enough energy for my night action tonight. and as a vicious circle the same will be true from here on out, unless i take a night off of night actions (which i doubt i am willing to do at this stage)

Grammaticus · 01-25-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

If I were a bad guy, I would have picked LSG because she ALWAYS acts like she is bad and we generally discount it as her standard behavior. So she could hide in plain site in that manner.

Swaggs may very well be bad, I certainly don't have anything supporting him as good.

If someone would have taken a swing at him, I'm would go in too.

Oh, and WVU I think was picked because he was Doom. Dr. Doom is supposed to be the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe. So, I don't think either LSG or WVU were simply picked as experienced and UTR players.

Bonegavel · 01-25-2007, 07:32 PM

(Wolverine)

Moon Knight is also getting a pass these days. He hasn't really done anything to make us trust him. He was late on the info with Doom, though he did kind of agree with me about doom in the first day or 2.

He is also a vet player that would make a good choice (from what I understand).

My new list of go afters:

Storm
Magneto
Spidey
Hulk

in that order

Bonegavel · 01-25-2007, 07:37 PM

(Wolverine)

DD scares me too and is on that list since he appears to be the linchpin (no pun intended) of our efforts as of late.

new list

DD
Storm
Magneto
Spidey
Hulk

Hulk and spidey are on there because they will most likely need to most effort to get rid of and I don't necessarily have a bad feeling one way or the other.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-25-2007, 07:37 PM

(Mathemanic)

Moon Knight was late revealing the info about Doom, but unlike Daredevil, he actually acted on it, attacking Doom on day 2 and then again on day 4.

Bonegavel · 01-25-2007, 07:38 PM

(Wolverine)

Somebody has to go today.

ATTACK STORM (CLAWS)

gi · 01-25-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonegavel

(Wolverine)

Moon Knight is also getting a pass these days. He hasn't really done anything to make us trust him. He was late on the info with Doom, though he did kind of agree with me about doom in the first day or 2.

He is also a vet player that would make a good choice (from what I understand).

My new list of go afters:

Storm
Magneto
Spidey
Hulk

in that order

Pick one, I'll support.

ntndeacon · 01-25-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Why would Apocalypse or his Horsemen need to go out and follow someone? Would they even have that ability?

SPIDER-MAN

why not? Weren't abilities made before Apocalypse and his horsemen were chosen. remember that hoops was getting names last year for this game. I doubt he knew then who would be on the side of right or wrong. So it is very feasible that Apocalypse's side has ANY of the powers we have manifested so far, and maybe others beside.

Bonegavel · 01-25-2007, 07:39 PM

(ooc)

got family stuff to do. I hope I'm not wrong with Storm, but it was either Storm or DD tonight. I'd hate to be wrong about DD.

(/ooc)

gi · 01-25-2007, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

(Wolverine)

Somebody has to go today.

ATTACK STORM (CLAWS)

Apparently I'm slow...

PUNCH -> STORM (USE ALL REMAINING ENERGY MODS)

I don't feel like PM'ing.

path12 · 01-25-2007, 07:43 PM

(ooc) Commute time. Back before deadline (/ooc)

ntndeacon · 01-25-2007, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

That seems like it would give them too much of an advantage. They get a free kill (doesn't cost energy) every night and they get to keep other night actions?

It would help if we knew where Doom was killed. Was he killed in his room like Marvel? If so, that would hint at them not having other night actions, wouldn't it?

SPIDER-MAN

You mean like Doom activating his Doombots at night? (He claimed he did in fear of Wolverine on night one ) If that was true, then obviously they can perform at least some night actions.

ntndeacon · 01-25-2007, 07:45 PM

(Mandarin)

I should have done this yesterday, but will fix my error today.

Leave Mutants First

01-25-2007, 06:21 PM	#3509
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	(Mathemanic) Thanks for the clairification, Venom. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-25-2007, 06:29 PM	#3511
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	(ooc) The implication in the rules is that the powers had already been selected at the time that Apocalypse was selected and then picked his horsemen. There's an indicating that he picked up some additional abilities of his own inherent with being Apocalypse, no mention if the same thing happened with the horsemen. (/ooc) __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-25-2007, 06:50 PM	#3517
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	(Mathemanic) That was at least a page back, Britain, could you refresh my memory on who he favored? __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-25-2007, 06:51 PM	#3518
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Dola, his last observation was to look at "the ends of the list", which seems like a decent idea in terms of people that we distrust but a horrible idea on the other end since it would basically mean attacking a supposed member of the Twelve. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-25-2007, 07:22 PM	#3536
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	(Silver Surfer) Dola, for what it's worth I agree with your take on him. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

01-25-2007, 05:43 PM	#3503
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	doesn't the fact that swaggs hasn't been around at all tell us at least as much as the fact that spidey has "spidey sense" (which btw is a character-consistent power) ?? seems to me it does.

01-25-2007, 06:34 PM	#3513
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I would have to believe except for the ability to kill and likely to communicate that the horesemen recieved no bonus powers where as Apocolypse likely did recieve some special doodads.

01-25-2007, 06:37 PM	#3515
gi College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Berkley, MI	I'm leaning towards favoring Wolverine's instinct on who to attack. Since everytime I've attacked, it has been on one of the 12. Unless there is an early team atlantic alliance consense on who to attack.

01-25-2007, 06:55 PM	#3519
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	(Venom) I plan on going with Magneto or Mathmanic at this point. Storm raises some concerns as her player is definately playing his Wolf style game of not being around until close to the wire. Or not showing up until after the vote. Spiderman is not even confirmed in my eyse. Following someone is just as likely bad as good. On the trusted side, I see Prof X as a likely conversion by Doom.

01-25-2007, 06:58 PM	#3520
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	So if storm is raising all those concerns why not go after her?

01-25-2007, 07:00 PM	#3522
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	that's been my question all along barkeep. and i'm starting to question more and more those that are saying she raises concerns but then dismiss them out of hand and won't go after swaggs.

01-25-2007, 07:01 PM	#3523
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	dinner. afk

01-25-2007, 07:13 PM	#3529
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Attack report so far for Day 6:

01-25-2007, 07:13 PM	#3530
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	(Venom) WITHERING BLOW to MAGNETO

01-25-2007, 07:14 PM	#3531
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Sorry, can't wait all day. Gotta run in a minute and I wanted to make my statement.

01-25-2007, 07:14 PM	#3532
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'm too obvious: I have been killed repeatedly early on in games. This is the longest I've lived in a game, in fact the first time I've lived past Day 3, in I believe 2 and a half plus months. Not only am I a largely suspicious player, I picked a powerful player. I didn't get picked because I am too obvious. Look at who we know to be horsemen: WVU and LSG. Both fit the experienced veternan profile without being one of the "big" names of WW. I think Swaggs fits that profile. As do you Grammaticus.

01-25-2007, 07:14 PM	#3533
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I guess I have to decide pretty quickly if my goal is to survive or to assist in an attack since I doubt I can do both today.

01-25-2007, 07:26 PM	#3538
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	gram...i'm not making an attack. i only have enough energy for my night action tonight. and as a vicious circle the same will be true from here on out, unless i take a night off of night actions (which i doubt i am willing to do at this stage)

01-25-2007, 07:32 PM	#3540
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	(Wolverine) Moon Knight is also getting a pass these days. He hasn't really done anything to make us trust him. He was late on the info with Doom, though he did kind of agree with me about doom in the first day or 2. He is also a vet player that would make a good choice (from what I understand). My new list of go afters: Storm Magneto Spidey Hulk in that order __________________

01-25-2007, 07:37 PM	#3541
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	(Wolverine) DD scares me too and is on that list since he appears to be the linchpin (no pun intended) of our efforts as of late. new list DD Storm Magneto Spidey Hulk Hulk and spidey are on there because they will most likely need to most effort to get rid of and I don't necessarily have a bad feeling one way or the other. __________________

01-25-2007, 07:37 PM	#3542
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	(Mathemanic) Moon Knight was late revealing the info about Doom, but unlike Daredevil, he actually acted on it, attacking Doom on day 2 and then again on day 4. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-25-2007, 07:38 PM	#3543
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	(Wolverine) Somebody has to go today. ATTACK STORM (CLAWS) __________________

01-25-2007, 07:39 PM	#3546
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	(ooc) got family stuff to do. I hope I'm not wrong with Storm, but it was either Storm or DD tonight. I'd hate to be wrong about DD. (/ooc) __________________

01-25-2007, 07:43 PM	#3548
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	(ooc) Commute time. Back before deadline (/ooc) __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

01-25-2007, 07:45 PM	#3550
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	(Mandarin) I should have done this yesterday, but will fix my error today. Leave Mutants First

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