The 2010 MLB Season Thread - Page 72

BishopMVP · 08-29-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

But, like I said, moot point. I actually do think the Tigers aren't that anxious to keep him, because of the contract. That may have eased some with his season this year, but that's still a hefty contract. Lot of rumors out there the past year for a guy a team doesn't have some interest in moving.

But I think the rumors were entirely wishful thinking from fans of other teams connecting the dots (Tigers losing money, off-field incidents, declining performance) and had little basis in reality. The 3rd one obviously was proven wrong, and the 1st one was/is overrated. While Detroit is hurting, Ilitch never has been, or has run his teams like it. And even so, Detroit loses a lot of payroll after this season - $55-$70m depending on whether they exercise their $15m option on Magglio Ordonez (I would guess not). MLB Detroit 10 Plus they signed Johnny Damon to a 1-yr, $8m deal this offseason - that's the sign of a team/owner willing to spend to win, not someone penny-pinching and desperate to cut payroll.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-29-2010, 10:28 PM

Incidentally, McCann's home run is the first game-ender in MLB history to come on a reversal by instant replay.

Izulde · 08-29-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by terpkristin

ManRam to ChiSox?

/tk

Stoked for this, I am.

Izulde · 08-29-2010, 10:57 PM

Manny headed to White Sox on waiver claim | whitesox.com: News

Article detailing Manny pickup.

DeToxRox · 08-30-2010, 12:25 AM

Cabrera is going nowhere. Illitch lives for the Tigers and he personally asked Dombrowski if he could get Cabrera when the trade happened.

No way he ever signs off on that considering the town has forgiven him and he has had no issues this season.

sterlingice · 08-30-2010, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Do you seriously think Cabrera would get through waivers? I mean, that sounds preposterous to me.

Yeah, anyone thinking a guy with a career .942 OPS and a current year 1.084 is high.

I mean, seriously, he could be killing people in the offseason and someone would still claim him on waivers.

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Butter · 08-30-2010, 06:37 AM

When the Cards can't even get wins with Wainwright out there, you know they've got problems.

Here's to hoping that even if the Reds get swept in St. Louis, they will still have a 2-3 game lead coming out of there.

DaddyTorgo · 08-30-2010, 08:40 AM

I had a dream about Cabrera getting through waivers and the Sox picking him up in a 3-way trade with LAA and DET.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-30-2010, 08:43 AM

If, and that's a huge if, Detroit wanted to trade Cabrera it makes absolutely no sense to do it now. Pre-deadline? Maybe. After the season? Definitely. Halos Heaven is usually not bad but this idea was very fanboyish. Why would Detroit try to limit the market for Cabrera by trading him through waivers, even if he did make it to the Angels?

The whole thing makes so little sense.

sterlingice · 08-30-2010, 08:54 AM

That's exactly it. It's not that he couldn't be traded, particularly in the offseason- big contract, maybe Detroit wants to go another way or something (seems stupid to me, tho). It just has no way in hell of happening over waivers at this time in the year.

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DaddyTorgo · 08-30-2010, 09:12 AM

Of course not.

I'm just saying - I had a dream about it.

I never have dreams - I don't sleep enough usually.

sterlingice · 08-30-2010, 09:25 AM

Not directed at you, DT- you weren't acting like this could actually happen

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molson · 08-30-2010, 11:42 AM

Very random thought, but - has anyone ever read anything about how MLB transactions are actually processed?

I'd guess in the old days there was a lot of faxing of paperwork with signatures, but now, I wonder if there's an online transaction software that facilitates waivers, trades, etc. That's be an interesting outside the lines episode.

DaddyTorgo · 08-30-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Not directed at you, DT- you weren't acting like this could actually happen

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lol alright

Chief Rum · 08-30-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

If, and that's a huge if, Detroit wanted to trade Cabrera it makes absolutely no sense to do it now. Pre-deadline? Maybe. After the season? Definitely. Halos Heaven is usually not bad but this idea was very fanboyish. Why would Detroit try to limit the market for Cabrera by trading him through waivers, even if he did make it to the Angels?

The whole thing makes so little sense.

Well, Halos Heaven switched the story to the Red Sox fairly quick. Not sure why you would say it's fanboyish. Seems clear to me they had a source that didn't have good info, and either that source got better info and touched base with them again, or they found another source with better info.

I hardly think you have a situation here where the site operator(s) were being fanboyish. They ran with what they had at the time.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-30-2010, 12:06 PM

Nope, he was speculating:

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Could the Detroit Tigers have made a claim and will offer Miguel Cabrera in a trade to the Angels for Napoli? Cabrera's hefty salary and tipsy reputation would have had an easier chance at clearing waivers than many sluggers.

He certainly isn't citing a source that gave him bad information. It's very fanboyish. The "could" part doesn't pass the smell test at all - the first post about it in this thread just wonders if he's a troll.

ETA: In the comments, he pretty much confirms it.

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but yeah … that is just wild speculation on my part to mention Cabrera … it is an example, though, of a non-contending team going “all-in” for the future… somewhat akin to what Reagins did in acquiring Dan Haren…

Chief Rum · 08-30-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Nope, he was speculating:

He certainly isn't citing a source that gave him bad information. It's very fanboyish. The "could" part doesn't pass the smell test at all - the first post about it in this thread just wonders if he's a troll.

ETA: In the comments, he pretty much confirms it.

Hmm, well it was put forth as a report by the original poster here, not as wild speculation on a fan site. I took that on faith, and I never read further down to see those comments the one time I clicked on the link.

So, yes, it is fanboyish, but I see now it was intended to be. This was never supposed to be a report claiming the Angels and Tigers were possibly working on a deal involving Napoli and Cabrera.

The problem wasn't with Halo's Heaven, which did what it's supposed to do (be a fan site). The problem was with how it was represented here.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-30-2010, 01:30 PM

Yes, and if I were to say/post somewhere "The Red Sox could trade faltering closer Jonathan Papelbon for Adrian Gonzalez" I would have no complaint if called out for fanboyism.

DaddyTorgo · 08-30-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Yes, and if I were to say/post somewhere "The Red Sox could trade faltering closer Jonathan Papelbon for Adrian Gonzalez" I would have no complaint if called out for fanboyism.

I wish they could trade him!!!

Fortunately they'll just let him walk in FA.

Chief Rum · 08-30-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Yes, and if I were to say/post somewhere "The Red Sox could trade faltering closer Jonathan Papelbon for Adrian Gonzalez" I would have no complaint if called out for fanboyism.

If you, a poster in an off topic forum unrelated to any legitimate news source, just tossed that out, you shouldn't have any complaint to be called out for fanboyism. This situation and your hypothetical are apples and oranges. Nice straw man.

Halos Heaven is a mix of throwing out stories on the Angels and fanboy posts, what you would usually see in a more legit fan site. You yourself describe it as "usually not too bad". At the time we were having this discussion, we all thought the Cabrera speculation was being thrown out there as a legit story, not off the cuff wishful thinking on the part of the site operator. At that point, I don't think it was fair to call the site out for fanboyism; we presumed that it was presented as a story with a source. I can see calling it a bad source, but not fanboyism. If theyw ere just reporting a story given to them by a source, that's not them being fanboys.

Now that we have looked more closely at the post on Halo's Heaven, we see it was wild speculation and not intended to be a "story". It was aimed to be a fanboy post. I have no problem calling it a fanboy post now; it's a site that will put up posts like that. I have a problem with presuming it's a fanboy post back when we were all under the assumption it was a story with a source. Unless you have evidence Halo's Heaven has in the past posted outrageous lies with heavy Angels leans as "stories", I don't see how you could presume it's fanboyism before discovering the original intent of the post.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-30-2010, 01:50 PM

Haha, man you are taking this seriously. I don't think anybody but perhaps you thought they were really reporting that trade was being discussed. The ridiculousness of the thought of it put it in fanboy speculation immediately.

sterlingice · 08-30-2010, 01:58 PM

Why again was Napoli dangled on waivers? Was it just to showcase him for a future trade to gauge interest? I mean, why would you let a 20 homer arby-eligible catcher go for the next-to-nothing you get in an August trade?

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dawgfan · 08-30-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Why again was Napoli dangled on waivers? Was it just to showcase him for a future trade to gauge interest? I mean, why would you let a 20 homer arby-eligible catcher go for the next-to-nothing you get in an August trade?

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When you say dangled, how do you mean? My understanding is usually just about everyone on a roster is put through waivers in August just to see what other teams might offer and to open the possibility of making post July 31st trades, and most of those waivers get revoked because there's little chance the team would actually want to let that player go.

sterlingice · 08-30-2010, 02:25 PM

Ah. Did not know that

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dawgfan · 08-30-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Ah. Did not know that

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What usually happens post July is a GM puts most (if not all) of their roster through waivers, and when claims come back on them, they either revoke the waivers or they start talking with the claiming team to see if they can work something out. Or, they just let them go if the player has an albatross of a contract and another team claims him anyway...

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-30-2010, 02:31 PM

So one question then would be why Napoli went so much later? Ramirez too for that matter - just to see if they're still in the race or not come the end of the month? It was my understanding that this "bulk-wavering" happened soon after the non-waiver deadline.

dawgfan · 08-30-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

So one question then would be why Napoli went so much later? Ramirez too for that matter - just to see if they're still in the race or not come the end of the month? It was my understanding that this "bulk-wavering" happened soon after the non-waiver deadline.

From what I've read, no - this stuff can be spaced out over August and into September. They don't necessarily do them all at once.

SackAttack · 08-30-2010, 02:39 PM

The August part is really only for playoff eligibility.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-30-2010, 02:40 PM

Fair enough, though I'm pretty sure the waiver trade deadline is 8/31.

McSweeny · 08-30-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Fair enough, though I'm pretty sure the waiver trade deadline is 8/31.

Trades can still be made after 8/31 but a player must be on the roster on 9/1 to be playoff eligible.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-30-2010, 03:45 PM

I just saw that on mlb.com, I stand corrected.

Lathum · 08-30-2010, 07:58 PM

Decided to watch the Reds game tonight. Their baserunning skills make it obvious they have a manager who doesn't like to clog the bases.

SackAttack · 08-30-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Fair enough, though I'm pretty sure the waiver trade deadline is 8/31.

Yes, but...

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Originally Posted by McSweeny

Trades can still be made after 8/31 but a player must be on the roster on 9/1 to be playoff eligible.

Thus...

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

The August part is really only for playoff eligibility.

Oh. Huh.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I just saw that on mlb.com, I stand corrected.

post-August waiver trades can be useful if you need a temporary replacement for a guy who's injured but will be healthy by the postseason, or if you're acquiring a guy with more than just the rest of the current season in mind.

But if you've got October in mind, you'd better do your acquiring by 8/31, yeah.

Big Fo · 08-30-2010, 08:32 PM

Heyward scoring from first on a single was pretty cool. I know his baserunning has been brought up a few times in here, this was another good example of it.

Scoobz0202 · 08-30-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Decided to watch the Reds game tonight. Their baserunning skills make it obvious they have a manager who doesn't like to clog the bases.

You have caught them on a bad night. They tend to make some errors here and there, but tonight has just been atrocious. They were the first to third kings earlier this season but tonight has been ugh

Easy Mac · 08-30-2010, 08:40 PM

Heyward is like a talented David Eckstein

JPhillips · 08-30-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Yes, but...

Thus...

Oh. Huh.

post-August waiver trades can be useful if you need a temporary replacement for a guy who's injured but will be healthy by the postseason, or if you're acquiring a guy with more than just the rest of the current season in mind.

But if you've got October in mind, you'd better do your acquiring by 8/31, yeah.

There was some debate on another site as to whether you could replace a DL player with a player that wasn't on the twenty five man by 9/1. Does anybody know the answer to this?

MizzouRah · 08-30-2010, 10:40 PM

6 fucking games out? Kudos to Cincy.. 12-4 after we swept them..

Maybe LaRussa will finally retire?

JonInMiddleGA · 08-30-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

There was some debate on another site as to whether you could replace a DL player with a player that wasn't on the twenty five man by 9/1. Does anybody know the answer to this?

Maybe. Read this attempted explanation based on the Tigers roster last season & see if it helps answer your question.
Playoff Roster Eligibility Rules

My reading of that is that they have to be in the organization on 8/31 but not necessarily on the 25-man (or 25+DL) automatic eligibility list on 8/31 in order to become a playoff replacement player.

edit to add an example: I believe that means that the Braves could call up Freddy Freeman for the playoffs to replace a hypothetically injured Derek Lee, even if they didn't add him to the major league roster until 9/4 or whatever.

stevew · 08-30-2010, 10:58 PM

Price and F-Rod both made the playoff rosters via chicanery in recent years. I'm pretty sure if you ggoogle an article from their call up it will explain the situation.

SackAttack · 08-30-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe. Read this attempted explanation based on the Tigers roster last season & see if it helps answer your question.
Playoff Roster Eligibility Rules

My reading of that is that they have to be in the organization on 8/31 but not necessarily on the 25-man (or 25+DL) automatic eligibility list on 8/31 in order to become a playoff replacement player.

edit to add an example: I believe that means that the Braves could call up Freddy Freeman for the playoffs to replace a hypothetically injured Derek Lee, even if they didn't add him to the major league roster until 9/4 or whatever.

Basically this. Let's say through some sort of shenanigans the Braves got A-Rod on September 29.

He wouldn't be eligible for postseason play because he wasn't in the organization prior to 9/1.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-30-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Basically this. Let's say through some sort of shenanigans the Braves got A-Rod on September 29.

He wouldn't be eligible for postseason play because he wasn't in the organization prior to 9/1.

But if the Braves (Heaven forbid) signed Barry Bonds to a minor league deal tonight but didn't call him up to the majors, then he could be added to the post-season roster if Derek Lee (or any position player) went the DL just before the playoffs.

Butter · 08-31-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

6 fucking games out? Kudos to Cincy.. 12-4 after we swept them..

Maybe LaRussa will finally retire?

I'm sure LaRussa and his gang of whiny bitches will try to pick a fight this weekend to get them "fired up" again.

Last night's game guaranteed that the Reds will leave St. Louis with sole possession of the NL Central lead regardless of the series' outcome.

lordscarlet · 08-31-2010, 08:41 AM

Sweet. Zimmerman took out part of the Sun Life Stadium sign last night with a monster HR.

Ramzavail · 08-31-2010, 08:47 AM

anybody see the Lorenzo Cain catch? wow.

sterlingice · 08-31-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I'm sure LaRussa and his gang of whiny bitches will try to pick a fight this weekend to get them "fired up" again.

Last night's game guaranteed that the Reds will leave St. Louis with sole possession of the NL Central lead regardless of the series' outcome.

I was at Reds-Cubs this past Sunday and that was a fun game. I'll be at Reds-Cards this coming Sunday in St Louis and I expect similar fun

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Suicane75 · 08-31-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Sweet. Zimmerman took out part of the Sun Life Stadium sign last night with a monster HR.

That was an awesome shot.

Where has Dibble been this week? Listening to Ray Knight is like ear rape.

lungs · 08-31-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramzavail

anybody see the Lorenzo Cain catch? wow.

Yes, awesome catch. I'm glad Cain has really come on this year so we are hopefully spared from more Carlos Gomez.

lordscarlet · 08-31-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

That was an awesome shot.

Where has Dibble been this week? Listening to Ray Knight is like ear rape.

After his thing about Strasburg on XM he has been on a supposedly self-imposed leave of absence.

sterlingice · 08-31-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

That was an awesome shot.

Where has Dibble been this week? Listening to Ray Knight is like ear rape.

He got in some trouble over the calling-Strasburg-a-pansy thing so he went to the time out corner

Dibble away from booth after criticizing Strasburg - MLB - Sporting News

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08-29-2010, 10:28 PM	#3552
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08-29-2010, 10:57 PM	#3554
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08-30-2010, 06:37 AM	#3557
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08-30-2010, 08:43 AM	#3559
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	If, and that's a huge if, Detroit wanted to trade Cabrera it makes absolutely no sense to do it now. Pre-deadline? Maybe. After the season? Definitely. Halos Heaven is usually not bad but this idea was very fanboyish. Why would Detroit try to limit the market for Cabrera by trading him through waivers, even if he did make it to the Angels? The whole thing makes so little sense. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs2 : 08-30-2010 at 11:59 AM.

08-30-2010, 08:54 AM	#3560
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	That's exactly it. It's not that he couldn't be traded, particularly in the offseason- big contract, maybe Detroit wants to go another way or something (seems stupid to me, tho). It just has no way in hell of happening over waivers at this time in the year. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-30-2010, 12:25 AM	#3555
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Cabrera is going nowhere. Illitch lives for the Tigers and he personally asked Dombrowski if he could get Cabrera when the trade happened. No way he ever signs off on that considering the town has forgiven him and he has had no issues this season.

08-30-2010, 08:40 AM	#3558
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I had a dream about Cabrera getting through waivers and the Sox picking him up in a 3-way trade with LAA and DET.

08-30-2010, 09:12 AM	#3561
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Of course not. I'm just saying - I had a dream about it. I never have dreams - I don't sleep enough usually. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 08-30-2010 at 09:12 AM.

08-30-2010, 09:25 AM	#3562
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Not directed at you, DT- you weren't acting like this could actually happen SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-30-2010, 11:42 AM	#3563
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Very random thought, but - has anyone ever read anything about how MLB transactions are actually processed? I'd guess in the old days there was a lot of faxing of paperwork with signatures, but now, I wonder if there's an online transaction software that facilitates waivers, trades, etc. That's be an interesting outside the lines episode. Last edited by molson : 08-30-2010 at 11:43 AM.

08-30-2010, 01:30 PM	#3568
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Yes, and if I were to say/post somewhere "The Red Sox could trade faltering closer Jonathan Papelbon for Adrian Gonzalez" I would have no complaint if called out for fanboyism. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

08-30-2010, 01:50 PM	#3571
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Haha, man you are taking this seriously. I don't think anybody but perhaps you thought they were really reporting that trade was being discussed. The ridiculousness of the thought of it put it in fanboy speculation immediately. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

08-30-2010, 01:58 PM	#3572
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Why again was Napoli dangled on waivers? Was it just to showcase him for a future trade to gauge interest? I mean, why would you let a 20 homer arby-eligible catcher go for the next-to-nothing you get in an August trade? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-30-2010, 02:25 PM	#3574
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Ah. Did not know that SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-30-2010, 02:31 PM	#3576
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	So one question then would be why Napoli went so much later? Ramirez too for that matter - just to see if they're still in the race or not come the end of the month? It was my understanding that this "bulk-wavering" happened soon after the non-waiver deadline. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

08-30-2010, 02:39 PM	#3578
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	The August part is really only for playoff eligibility.

08-30-2010, 02:40 PM	#3579
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Fair enough, though I'm pretty sure the waiver trade deadline is 8/31. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

08-30-2010, 03:45 PM	#3581
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	I just saw that on mlb.com, I stand corrected. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

08-30-2010, 07:58 PM	#3582
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Decided to watch the Reds game tonight. Their baserunning skills make it obvious they have a manager who doesn't like to clog the bases.

08-30-2010, 08:32 PM	#3584
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Heyward scoring from first on a single was pretty cool. I know his baserunning has been brought up a few times in here, this was another good example of it.

08-30-2010, 08:40 PM	#3586
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Heyward is like a talented David Eckstein

08-30-2010, 10:40 PM	#3588
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	6 fucking games out? Kudos to Cincy.. 12-4 after we swept them.. Maybe LaRussa will finally retire?

08-30-2010, 10:58 PM	#3590
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Price and F-Rod both made the playoff rosters via chicanery in recent years. I'm pretty sure if you ggoogle an article from their call up it will explain the situation.

08-31-2010, 08:41 AM	#3594
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	Sweet. Zimmerman took out part of the Sun Life Stadium sign last night with a monster HR. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

08-31-2010, 08:47 AM	#3595
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	anybody see the Lorenzo Cain catch? wow.

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