Yet another school shooting.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

..and this is where we are now, right?

You have to explain why you're commenting on such a boring, familiar, mundane topic like a mass shooting somewhere in America. You need to have a connection to find it something worthy of discussion.

I posted when it happened in #Annapolis a few years ago. Because it was in my own backyard.

Occasionally these happen in such spectacular fashion, or have some awful wrinkle that they make major news, but for the most part... some guy shoots up nine people somewhere and it's no longer major news.

And we're all quiet about ten people shot, but no fatalities, in Columbus, OH.

[CrimsonFox]

Not a shooting but a mass deathtoll

Deadly Stampede in India

A religious event takes the same turn as the Who concert in cincinnati. They opened one door and the massive overcrowded herd ran.

[GrantDawg]

The case against Alec Balwin was dismissed with prejudice today. Seems the prosecutors brought in a bag of bullets as evidence that had been withheld from the defense. The judge finally said that was enough. The prosecutor had been playing games throughout the entire attempt to prosecute, and the judge had had enough.

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[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The case against Alec Balwin was dismissed with prejudice today. Seems the prosecutors brought in a bag of bullets as evidence that had been withheld from the defense. The judge finally said that was enough. The prosecutor had been playing games throughout the entire attempt to prosecute, and the judge had had enough.

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I'm so glad as the whole thing was bullshit. It was obvious they were going after him because he played Trump on SNL.

I mean they can sure get money for the family from a civil suit but Baldwin is a good enough egg he will probably take care of their family regardless.

I didn't hear about the bag of bullets. Sheesh

[Edward64]

I agree. IMO the armorer bears the majority of blame.

[GrantDawg]

This one a little closer to home. Reportedly four dead. One of my wives co- workers has two kids in the school. They are OK, but she told her everyone immediately knew who did it.

https://x.com/bluestein/status/18313...s_4oz64cw&s=19

Correction: Her co-workers two kids know kids in that school

[sovereignstar v2]

Is that Mike Collins' district?

[GrantDawg]

That sounds right.

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[sovereignstar v2]

Well, let's get this out of the way then

Newsflash: Joe Biden and the Democrats stole the 2020 election.

Donald Trump won Georgia.

Send me to Washington, and I’ll blow up the Democrats’ cover up. pic.twitter.com/oWbj8zfpda

— Mike Collins (@MikeCollinsGA) January 13, 2022

[BYU 14]

Is this Clown actually serving in Congress right now?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Is this Clown actually serving in Congress right now?

Sorta. He's in Congress, but as he said he's really just serving Trump.

[bob]

CNN is reporting 4 dead and 30 injured

[miked]

A few people in my feed have already stated this is Biden/Harris fault for not allowing armed guards in school. Apparently democrats applaud armed guards protecting their banks and congresspeople, but ban them from protecting kids. Also, no crime on GT or UGA campuses because they are open carry.

[GrantDawg]

This is interesting. A threrapist is responding to people on a local board that knows or has kids at the school. They are saying have them play Tetris as soon as they can. Studies show that playing Teteris (or like games) can help prevent PTSD.

Can playing Tetris help prevent PTSD if you’ve witnessed something traumatic?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by miked

A few people in my feed have already stated this is Biden/Harris fault for not allowing armed guards in school. Apparently democrats applaud armed guards protecting their banks and congresspeople, but ban them from protecting kids. Also, no crime on GT or UGA campuses because they are open carry.

Schools have armed guards. They are called school resource officers. My kids school has one employed full time.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by miked

A few people in my feed have already stated this is Biden/Harris fault for not allowing armed guards in school. Apparently democrats applaud armed guards protecting their banks and congresspeople, but ban them from protecting kids. Also, no crime on GT or UGA campuses because they are open carry.

The delusions are so heavy. The "No crime at UGA" meets "Illegal killed pretty white girl at UGA".

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Schools have armed guards. They are called school resource officers. My kids school has one employed full time.

And it’s been proved useless.

[Ben E Lou]

Welp. I can no longer say I don't know anyone who was the direct victim of a school shooting. One of my former YL volunteers teaches and coaches there. He was shot in the foot and the hip, shattering his hip bone. He arrived at the hospital alert and awake, and is out of surgery and stable.

[Thomkal]

wow Ben glad he is going to be okay

[Lathum]

Jesus. Ben that’s horrible. I can’t fathom the trauma.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

wow Ben glad he is going to be okay

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Lathum

Jesus. Ben that’s horrible. I can’t fathom the trauma.

Unfathomable.

Last I'd heard, he was teaching/coaching in Loganville. I had no idea he was at Apalachee until I saw the post from his daughter today. (From checking LinkedIn, it looks like this was his 2nd year there.)


From another fairly reliable source, (current teacher/coach in Georgia,) I'm hearing two football coaches dead.

[Ben E Lou]

Daily Mail is fast. This is the guy I know.
Math teacher named as victim of Georgia high shooting as witnesses describe horror of walking past 'blood and bodies' | Daily Mail Online

[miami_fan]

That text message screenshot is heartbreaking.

Oh well nothing we can do but wait for the next one.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

That text message screenshot is heartbreaking.

I hadn't read the article in its entirety when I posted a bit ago. Was just coming back to say that. Not fun picturing my sophomore sending us that text.

[Ksyrup]

Damn. Sorry to hear Ben.

When we had that bank shooting in downtown Louisville about 18 months ago, one of our more connected guys in the community knew several of the people who were shot, including one good friend who made it out alive from the conference room where most of the damage was done.

The "everybody knows someone affected by..." seems to work equally well these days for cancer and mass shootings.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Welp. I can no longer say I don't know anyone who was the direct victim of a school shooting. One of my former YL volunteers teaches and coaches there. He was shot in the foot and the hip, shattering his hip bone. He arrived at the hospital alert and awake, and is out of surgery and stable.

That's horrible but I'm happy he is alive. One thing that bothers me about these shootings is how little attention is paid to those wounded. A shattered hip and gunshot to the foot is going to be a long recovery and likely life altering.

[GrantDawg]

They are saying the kid surrendered to the resource officer. Just 14, man.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I hadn't read the article in its entirety when I posted a bit ago. Was just coming back to say that. Not fun picturing my sophomore sending us that text.

My sons first day of high school was today. I can't even imagine.

[miami_fan]

Two students, two teachers are among the deceased.

The shooter in this case has been named and he will be tried as an adult.

I am forever confused about the factors involved in identifying suspects in these types of cases even moreso as he is a minor. Not saying he should not be identified but more curious as to why in comparison to other cases where I perceive suspect identification to be more delayed.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They are saying the kid surrendered to the resource officer. Just 14, man.

How the fuck does a 14 year old get easy access to a loaded firearm?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

How the fuck does a 14 year old get easy access to a loaded firearm?

I could give you a number of both entirely innocent and entirely nefarious answers to that question.

Depends largely on the kid and what circles he has access to.

edit to add: access to pretty much anything isn't too difficult these days (okay, other than health care and mental health care). As an example, I'm as anti-drug as anybody you're likely to find & haven't had anybody in direct contact in that world in many years and I don't believe I'd have much trouble getting most anything you randomly asked for before the weekend arrives. And it's 521p on Wed as I type that.

(obviously I'm going for an example of "pretty much anything" with that, ease despite at least one full degree of separation. It's a consumer world, if you want something enough, you can generally find it)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

How the fuck does a 14 year old get easy access to a loaded firearm?

Parents need to be held accountable.

[GrantDawg]

I owned a hunting rifle and a shot gun when I was 14. That was before the fetishizing of military rifles, so it wouldn't surprise me a bit if this kids parents had bought him an AR-15. Heck, they named him Colt.

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[RainMaker]

I knew kids who hunted and were gifted their own guns. But I don't remember them ever having access to them at that age. They were usually locked up in a safe by the parents and only used with their permission. Even if you trust your kid, I wouldn't trust their friends. 14 year olds are pretty dumb.

[Lathum]

My son is 14 and would have zero clue how to obtain a gun.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I knew kids who hunted and were gifted their own guns. But I don't remember them ever having access to them at that age. They were usually locked up in a safe by the parents and only used with their permission. Even if you trust your kid, I wouldn't trust their friends. 14 year olds are pretty dumb.

I'm virtually certain I'd never heard of a "gun safe" until I was in my early 20s.

Yes, I'm old. Yes, I believe that's exponentially more common today. I don't recall our age difference off-hand but that definitely hasn't always been the case.

Remember now, I'm literally so old that probably 15-20 percent of the vehicles in my HS parking lot had gun racks in them, with weapons.

[GrantDawg]

Mine too, Jon. Every pickup had a gun rack. I always had access to guns from the time I was 10. They were right in a closet with the ammo beside them.
I live 40 miles from Winder. I have said this on here before. I am in houses all the time with children that have loaded guns sitting beside the windows, hand guns on the side tables of the bedroom and the living room. There are people with gun safes as well, but even then there is generally guns somewhere unsecured in the house.

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[bob]

I graduated high school in 97 and there were trucks with gun racks and weapons in them.

[Edward64]

Normal to see gun racks in the back windows of pickup trucks in the 80s. Weapons in college dorm rooms.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

How the fuck does a 14 year old get easy access to a loaded firearm?

The same way all of us could get access to a loaded firearm if we wanted one.

Buy, steal, borrow from a friend, etc. It may be easier for some than others but if a gun is wanted in the U.S. a gun can and will be provided. Legally or otherwise. I know we all were perfect kids who only knew other perfect kids way back when but I could have definitely copped a loaded firearm when I was in high school in the late 80s/early 90s in the same way I could get a cigarette, weed or a flask of liquor. My parents would have been none the wiser as well.

Originally Posted by Lathum

Parents need to be held accountable.

Maybe it is just coming with age but I have more sympathy with the parents now than I did before. My youngest son knows how to handle a weapon. The only reason I taught him when I did (Summer 2020 when he was 13) was he had told me about one too many kid he had been around who had access to weapons that I did not think should have access to a baseball glove, much less a firearm. He has not become a huge fan of firearms. He does not have easy access to any weapons and I trust him to not attempt to obtain one legally or illegally and/or to shoot up a school. I don't what I am supposed to do if he gets an AR-15 from someone outside the home and shoots up a school to prove I did not raise him to do that.

Maybe I am being naive but I feel like most parents are not like the folks up in Michigan. If the parents left the weapon unsecured and he took it, or to the extreme they trained him to be an assassin, sure. Outside of that, I'm not sure I immediately blaming a parent for not identifying their seemingly normal child as a future mass murderer.

BTW an "Atta Boy" for the school resource officer for a job well done for being able to engage the armed shooter, not empty their weapons into the shooter but instead taking the shooter into custody unharmed. Well done!

[RainMaker]

Maybe it's a regional thing. I went to college with a ton of hunters from Wisconsin, but I don't remember any of them ever having their rifles just sitting in their pickups. They were into guns a bit, but it wasn't fetishized like it is today. I think almost everyone left their guns at home as they went home on the weekends to hunt in the Fall.

As for high school, it was just inconceivable to have access to it. I'm a bit younger than some here but I don't think I ever came close to being near a gun. Huge safes in the garage or basement were popular and I don't think there was ever a chance we could break into it. It was a nice suburb though so there wasn't concern over crime or anything. School shootings weren't really a thing yet and kids were far more invested in cars/girls/sports/clothes.

[Lathum]

I graduated HS in 1993 in Jersey and never once saw anyone with a gun anywhere. Ever.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Maybe it is just coming with age but I have more sympathy with the parents now than I did before. My youngest son knows how to handle a weapon. The only reason I taught him when I did (Summer 2020 when he was 13) was he had told me about one too many kid he had been around who had access to weapons that I did not think should have access to a baseball glove, much less a firearm. He has not become a huge fan of firearms. He does not have easy access to any weapons and I trust him to not attempt to obtain one legally or illegally and/or to shoot up a school. I don't what I am supposed to do if he gets an AR-15 from someone outside the home and shoots up a school to prove I did not raise him to do that.

Maybe I am being naive but I feel like most parents are not like the folks up in Michigan. If the parents left the weapon unsecured and he took it, or to the extreme they trained him to be an assassin, sure. Outside of that, I'm not sure I immediately blaming a parent for not identifying their seemingly normal child as a future mass murderer.

I have less sympathy, FAR less. It isn't about identifying your kid as a mass shooter, it is about letting a 14 year old kid gain access to a weapon capable of killing 4 people and injuring 30 more, and could have been worse if not for a school resource officer who had the balls 400 cops in Uvalde did not.

If a kid comes to my house, drinks a bottle of vodka, and kills 3 classmates driving home drunk guess who is going to jail? Me. Hell, I was at a labor day BBQ one street over sunday and my daughter came and told me the 13 year old whos parents party it was and his friends were in my pool. Since we were at the party no one was at my house. If one of those kids drowns guess who is fucked? I am.

With the exhausting number of shooting we have had why can't we hold people similarly accountable?

[GrantDawg]

This kid lived a mile from my sister.

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[GrantDawg]

https://x.com/JustinGrayWSB/status/1...mKoIiHIjw&s=19

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Mine too, Jon. Every pickup had a gun rack. I always had access to guns from the time I was 10. They were right in a closet with the ammo beside them.

And yet you didn't shoot anybody. And odds are, neither did anybody you know.

I saw what I figure was an average share of HS fights, never once saw a gun put into play.

Hell, I was probably around 20 before I saw one introduced into an altercation, and that was to shut down something before it escalated into something else. And that wasn't anywhere near my rural upbringing, that was at Aker's Mill shopping center (younger folks would know that as basically near enough where the Braves current stadium sits). And it was a guy we'll just call Steve Surbanite. (til that moment I never had a clue he kept significant firepower handy ... and I do mean significant)

[GrantDawg]

We had a kid bring a gun into middle school to show it off. In high school, we had a kid that got caught with a hand gun that threatened to kill another student The year after I graduated, a kid brought a shotgun onto the school and was planning to shoot into the senior class during a pep rally.
Luckily, I didn't know anyone shot, but this was also before AR-15s were common.

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[GrantDawg]

Of course, that is not to mention the kid I went to church with that was accidently shot by his best friend while hunting. I actually knew two kids killed by guns growing up. The other was shot while playing a prank.
It was when a friend's son killed his other son in a hunting accident when I gave up hunting all together.

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[RainMaker]

He did warn everyone.

According to a joint statement from FBI Atlanta and the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office, today's 14-year-old shooter was questioned by law enforcement last year, when he was 13, regarding “several anonymous tips about online threats to commit a school shooting at an unidentified…

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) September 5, 2024

[cuervo72]

The only gun I ever saw was on the top shelf of my Dad’s closet. Not even sure if it was a real gun as opposed to a pellet gun or something. Didn’t think to touch it.

Now, the Playboys that were up there…those interested me greatly.

(Never encountered drugs either. My house was dry - father joined AA when I was three - and didn’t encounter booze at a party until graduation. Didn’t hang around any non-family who smoked until I was in college, and that was not AT college.)