POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[albionmoonlight]

Without exaggeration, I know people who want to abolish the military who still have more respect for members of the military than MAGA.

The GOP needs to destroy this cancer and get us back to having a non-embarrassing conservative party.

[dubb93]

I was today years old when I realized it was illegal to use Arlington National Cemetery (or any National Cemetery) photo ops for political purposes. I guess I just feel like I’ve seen them before but then again maybe my mind is remembering things that didn’t actually happen.

[Jas_lov]

I wonder if it was just the section they were in where photos weren't allowed. The whole thing seems strange. Calling an Arlington official "mentally ill" isn't a good look, especially if he was a veteran.

[JPhillips]

I don't think it covers the entire cemetery, but the Iraq/Afghanistan section is specifically political purposes free. I don't know when that law was passed.

[GrantDawg]

I know the President or other officials will go and lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier on veteran holidays. Other than that, I don't remember any photo ops in the actual cemetery.

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[Lathum]

Is giving a thumbs up while standing over the grave of a fallen soldier considered a political move?

Between this and the Medal of Honor stuff it’s amazing anyone who serves supports him.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I don't think it covers the entire cemetery, but the Iraq/Afghanistan section is specifically political purposes free. I don't know when that law was passed.

And, of course the only reason he was in that section was because he wanted to make a political statement.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Is giving a thumbs up while standing over the grave of a fallen soldier considered a political move?

The photos have apparently already been used in fundraising, which is strictly illegal. Of course we seem to have an aversion towards holding the orange one accountable for his actions.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

The photos have apparently already been used in fundraising, which is strictly illegal. Of course we seem to have an aversion towards holding the orange one accountable for his actions.

The more that comes out about this the worse it gets. Of course you have to take everything with a grain of salt, but apparently this wasn't an official event but organized by 2 of the families. They also included in the pics the grave of a soldier who's family isn't involved in it. Apparently there is actually an official Arlington photographer so that this stuff doesn't happen and when they tried to prevent it they were assaulted. Then of course the right wing media runs with it as an event Biden sat out.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Is giving a thumbs up while standing over the grave of a fallen soldier considered a political move?

Between this and the Medal of Honor stuff it’s amazing anyone who serves supports him.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The more that comes out about this the worse it gets. Of course you have to take everything with a grain of salt, but apparently this wasn't an official event but organized by 2 of the families. They also included in the pics the grave of a soldier who's family isn't involved in it. Apparently there is actually an official Arlington photographer so that this stuff doesn't happen and when they tried to prevent it they were assaulted. Then of course the right wing media runs with it as an event Biden sat out.

"In a statement to NPR, Steven Cheung, the Trump campaign's spokesman, strongly rejected the notion of a physical altercation, adding: "We are prepared to release footage if such defamatory claims are made.

"The fact is that a private photographer was permitted on the premises and for whatever reason an unnamed individual, clearly suffering from a mental health episode, decided to physically block members of President Trump's team during a very solemn ceremony," Cheung said in the statement."

clearly suffering from a mental health episode

[thesloppy]

Steven Cheung is a world-class asshole. Every one of his press releases is offensive. If you want a real laugh go look up his photo.

[Lathum]

They are all such bottom feeding pond scum. Looks like a congressman is calling for an official investigation. Of course nothing will happen.

[Lathum]

Jesse Waters should be fired.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Jesse Waters should be fired.

Out of a canon.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Out of a canon.

And in to the sun.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Out of a canon.

...into the Sun

ETA Damn you Lathum

[cartman]

so Trump is saying that Zucc admits to White House pressure to downplay the Hunter laptop story in 2020 proved ELECTION INTERFERENCE!!!!

Who is going to tell him who controlled the White House in 2020?

[GrantDawg]

Just to clarify, it is illegal to campaign anywhere in Arlington, not just in section 60.

Moreover, Arlington National Cemetery released a public statement confirming a report had been filed over the incident and included this bit: pic.twitter.com/mYTjkqVAl8

— Charlotte Clymer ���� (@cmclymer) August 28, 2024

[RainMaker]

It seems like it doesn't apply to them as they did what they wanted and there will be no consequences.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

It seems like it doesn't apply to them as they did what they wanted and there will be no consequences.

Story of Trump's life. Nothing applies to him and he just does whatever he wants with no consequences. Even if that something is, in this case, desecrating a national cemetery.

[Danny]

In fairness to Trump, he has gotten away with anything and everything so why would he stop now.

[thesloppy]

Most of the time Trump feels like he has some kind of special status that makes him exempt to laws for the common man, but this case was explicitly specific to campaigning politicians, but he's still going to get yet another freebie?? Ridiculous.

[RainMaker]

Good lord Rs picked some shitty candidates.

Downballot here continues to be awful for Rs.

AZSen: Gallego (D) +15
NVSen: Rosen (D) +14
NCGov: Stein (D) +11 https://t.co/Ill36jNcAu

— David Weigel (@daveweigel) August 28, 2024

[CrimsonFox]

[bronconick]

It's been a tradition of theirs to pick a few trash Senate candidates back to 2012 with Mourdock, Akin, Roy Moore, etc. Of course, the Dems decided to return the favor thanks to Cal Cunningham not keeping his dick in his pants.

[Edward64]

Lots of insights in the foxnews poll of AZ, GA, NV and NC.

Kamala lead by 1-2 pts in AZ, GA, NV and Trump by 1pt in NC. Some nice graphics in article.

Fox News Poll: Harris closes gap with Trump in Sun Belt states | Fox News

Economy is by far the #1 issue at 41%.

Economy - 41%
Immigration - 14%
Abortion - 13%
Health Care - 8%
Election Integrity - 7%
Climate Change - 4%
Foreign Policy - 3%
Guns - 3%
Crime - 2%

Kamala leads in Healthcare, Abortion. Trump leads in Immigration, Economy and Israel-Hamas war.

Demographics

Harris receives 79% support among Black voters, 56% among Hispanics, 55% among those under age 30 and 51% among voters ages 65 and over.

There is a 22-point gender gap, as women prefer Harris by 11 points and men back Trump by 11.

Trump is carrying 65% of Whites without a college degree, 60% of rural voters and 42% of Hispanics — about the same as in 2020. He’s at 77% among White evangelical Christians, down from 83%. Yet his support among Black voters has nearly tripled, from 7% to 19%.

Democrats are a touch more likely to back Harris (96%) than Republicans are to support Trump (94%), while independents favor Harris by 6 points.

When third-party candidates Chase Oliver, Jill Stein and Cornel West are included in the voter preference, Harris keeps her 1-point edge over Trump, 48%-47%. Notably, three out of four voters with a favorable view of Kennedy back Trump.

[albionmoonlight]

The Arlington story is the perfect Trump story.

(1) Trump supporters will say that the families gave him permission to be there and that the media is unfairly attacking him. No minds will change.

(2) Harris supporters will say that Trump was breaking the law and about 10 different social norms. No minds will change.

(3) The low-information voters in Pennsylvania who will actually decide the election won't hear about it at all.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Good lord Rs picked some shitty candidates.

Downballot here continues to be awful for Rs.

AZSen: Gallego (D) +15
NVSen: Rosen (D) +14
NCGov: Stein (D) +11 https://t.co/Ill36jNcAu

— David Weigel (@daveweigel) August 28, 2024

Dave, this story is from Philadelphia, Mississippi — not Philadelphia, PA. #PASen pic.twitter.com/woRGWUH2bs

— Maddy McDaniel (@maddymcdaniel14) August 28, 2024

[Ksyrup]

According to Nate Silver, if Harris can win NC she has a 97% chance of winning the EC.

[albionmoonlight]

It’s hard to see a world where she wins NC and loses GA.

[JPhillips]

The Arlington story is a perfect example of how the playing field is tilted towards Trump. The exact same series of events would literally end the campaign of Harris, but with Trump the media mostly just shrugs and says, yeah, sounds like him.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The Arlington story is a perfect example of how the playing field is tilted towards Trump. The exact same series of events would literally end the campaign of Harris, but with Trump the media mostly just shrugs and says, yeah, sounds like him.

I don't even think it's the media's fault as much as GOP voters don't care and dems and dem leaning voters usually look for reasons not to vote for their candidate.

[Lathum]

He could whip out his tiny mushroom dick and piss on a soldiers grave and the GOP would praise him for watering the grass...

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Dave, this story is from Philadelphia, Mississippi — not Philadelphia, PA. #PASen pic.twitter.com/woRGWUH2bs

— Maddy McDaniel (@maddymcdaniel14) August 28, 2024

I mean, he's as much a Pennsylvanian as Dr. Oz was in 2022 so it's not surprising he's only off by a thousand miles.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

It’s hard to see a world where she wins NC and loses GA.

I just listened to an interview between James Carville and Jennifer Rubin and the first thing he said when she asked what he thought might happen in the election was that he thought Harris would run 1-2% higher in North Carolina than Georgia. I have read that the governor's race and the difference in the make up of black, white, and Hispanic voters are thought to be factors.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I just listened to an interview between James Carville and Jennifer Rubin and the first thing he said when she asked what he thought might happen in the election was that he thought Harris would run 1-2% higher in North Carolina than Georgia. I have read that the governor's race and the difference in the make up of black, white, and Hispanic voters are thought to be factors.

I think people are underestimating just how much Robinson will drag the ticket down. Dude is legit crazy

[Swaggs]

I think people also sort of forget how much energy there was around the two GA senate races in 2020. Warnock, in particular, seemed to energize and motivate the GOTV in '20 and '22. Even though it is certainly in swing territory, it's probably not as purple as dems would like to think.

Carville also said he thinks that Florida is probably more in play than people think. There are votes on legalizing marijuana and abortion rights on the ballot this November there that he thinks might drive up the vote and bring out some non-traditional voters.

[cuervo72]

I saw Boar's Head was trending and my first thought was to wonder what Kennedy did this time.

— S.R.Miller (@SRMillerAuthor) August 28, 2024

[albionmoonlight]

“Mr. Trump, we need to do something to counteract the accusations that you are weird.“

“What if I got in a fight with a cemetery?“


“I don’t know if I quite understand, sir. Do you mean get into a fight in a cemetery?“

“No! I am going to get into a fight with a cemetery!”

“Brilliant idea, sir!“

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Lathum

He could whip out his tiny mushroom dick and piss on a soldiers grave and the GOP would praise him for watering the grass...

Exclusive! PRESIDENT TRUMP puts out fire at cemetery!

[RainMaker]

lmao


Kamala Harris Says She Would Appoint A Republican To Her Cabinet | HuffPost Latest News

[cartman]

one of Trump's campaign managers posted vids from Arlington and said he hoped it triggered the hacks in the Army

[Lathum]

Trump is busy desecrating Arlington why ignoring explicit orders from the DOD, meanwhile MAGA trying to make proving Kamala didn't work at McDonalds a thing.

This is why people think they are weird and it reeks of desperation.

[JPhillips]

I'll go further and give a cabinet post to every GOP senator in a state with a Dem governor.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by cartman

one of Trump's campaign managers posted vids from Arlington and said he hoped it triggered the hacks in the Army

That has to be Steven Cheung again. If Trump wins I at least hope he appoints Steven Cheung to press secretary, for the chaos.

[thesloppy]

I guess it was LaCivita. I didn't expect the architect of the Swift Boating & attacks on Walz' military service to directly insult the Army, but here we are.

[Lathum]

anyone have a link to the video?

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think people are underestimating just how much Robinson will drag the ticket down. Dude is legit crazy

NC is fine with ticket splitting. I think that Cooper outran Biden by, like, 5 points in 2020.

[RainMaker]

It sounds like the Trump campaign strategy is to win Georgia, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. With such disastrous candidates in Arizona and Nevada, they may be writing them off. And I just don't see how he gets Wisconsin or Minnesota barring some huge fuckup by Harris. Michigan is tricky for Harris but might not matter.

Georgia is such a clusterfuck with the new rules that I don't see them certifying a Harris win. Trump still has to be the favorite in North Carolina despite some good polls for Harris.

I think it'll all come down to Pennsylvania. Harris has to be the favorite considering how poorly Trump candidates have done at the state level.