The 2010 FIFA World Cup thread (will contain spoilers) - Page 74

EagleFan · 07-03-2010, 03:11 PM

"He's not going to miss from there!!!"

Technically he didn't but it that is another inch to the right it's not a goal.

kingfc22 · 07-03-2010, 03:12 PM

Wow. Three posts hit in that sequence.

stevew · 07-03-2010, 03:12 PM

if I had to watch paraguay for another 90 minutes I'd rather blow my head off. Thank Villa.

Crapshoot · 07-03-2010, 03:16 PM

Holy shit Spain nearly gave it away. What a keeper Casillas is.

stevew · 07-03-2010, 03:18 PM

fuck....that had to hurt(ramos)

Eaglesfan27 · 07-03-2010, 03:22 PM

And thus ends the hopes for the streaker.

ace1914 · 07-03-2010, 03:22 PM

This was a very poor officiated match. I'm studying and every time look up, some fuckin' Spaniard is rolling on the ground and the ref is falling for this crap. I really hope he doesn't ref the final. I'd like the guy from the Ghana/Uruguay game in there.

MikeVic · 07-03-2010, 03:22 PM

So it's kind of a different story regarding South American and European teams now, eh?

MikeVic · 07-03-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ace1914

This was a very poor officiated match. I'm studying and every time look up, some fuckin' Spaniard is rolling on the ground and the ref is falling for this crap. I really hope he doesn't ref the final. I'd like the guy from the Ghana/Uruguay game in there.

So you're not paying attention to the game but you think Spain is diving? I thought the ref was alright.

Crapshoot · 07-03-2010, 03:24 PM

Classy of the Spanish guys to console Cardozo - poor guy.

RainMaker · 07-03-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

So you're not paying attention to the game but you think Spain is diving? I thought the ref was alright.

If Spain is playing, they are diving.

Fun match. Really looking forward to the semis.

ace1914 · 07-03-2010, 03:28 PM

Yes. Anytime I look up and every player on the squad has some overly theatrical fall. Yea, that's pretty much diving in a nutshell.

Edit: I just went to FiFa.com to check and hmm 24 fouls-PAR vs. 11 fouls-ESP.

Yea...they were diving.

MizzouRah · 07-03-2010, 03:30 PM

I hope Germany kicks the crap out of Spain.

ace1914 · 07-03-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I hope Germany kicks the crap out of Spain.

Cosign. Germany played a fun, fair game and smashed Messi and Co. They deserve to advance.

Icy · 07-03-2010, 03:32 PM

The ref almost made us to lose this game in 5 minutes:

- The penalty against Spain, the defender was the last man, so it must have been a red card, it's the rule. Instead he showed him a yellow.

- Penalty scored, and the ref says it needs to be shot again because an Spanish player was an inch inside?

- Penalty missed, then Fabregas runs towards the ball the the goalkeeper hits him with both arms on his legs, a CLEAR PENALTY and again a RED CARD for the Goalkeeper, instead the ref didn't call anything.

At that point, i thought we would be out of the semi exactly like we did vs Italy in USA's world cup, just because the ref.

Then in the goal play, first Pedrito hits the post, then Villa hits it again and i was WTFFFFFF! but finally it ended inside. Justice was made.

And ace1914, did you really see lots of Spanish players diving?? the only one diving at the end of the game was Ramos and it was after a hard kick on his face with blood coming out, so if you really think he was faking it... agree with you that the ref was horrible, but not because helping Spain.

Anyway the game is over, and one of the games of the decade awards, Spain vs Germany in the semi-finals, repeating the final of the Eurocup won by Spain 2 years ago, hope will end that way, but i must admit that Spain plays better vs good teams that try to attack (leaving holes open) than vs all the ones who just create a defensive wall and refuse to play soccer.

Forgot to say, if there is a soccer GOD, Casillas must be his son, he has barely appeared in the WC so far as we are attacking most of the time, but today he was there when we needed him as always.

RainMaker · 07-03-2010, 03:33 PM

Spain actually got the short end of the stick today from the officials. The missed red card and they missed a penalty after the missed penalty kick.

Icy · 07-03-2010, 03:37 PM

Dola, for those doubting if any about the penalty not called after Xavi missed the second attempt:

RainMaker · 07-03-2010, 03:37 PM

The one thing I like about Germany is they never miss good scoring chances. Seems like everyone converts them at a real low rate and they just pound any team that gives them an inch.

ace1914 · 07-03-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Icy

The ref almost made us to lose this game in 5 minutes:

- The penalty against Spain, the defender was the last man, so it must have been a red card, it's the rule. Instead he showed him a yellow.

- Penalty scored, and the ref says it needs to be shot again because an Spanish player was an inch inside?

- Penalty missed, then Fabregas runs towards the ball the the goalkeeper hits him with both arms on his legs, a CLEAR PENALTY and again a RED CARD for the Goalkeeper, instead the ref didn't call anything.

At that point, i thought we would be out of the semi exactly like we did vs Italy in USA's world cup, just because the ref.

Then in the goal play, first Pedrito hits the post, then Villa hits it again and i was WTFFFFFF! but finally it ended inside. Justice was made.

And ace1914, did you really see lots of Spanish players diving?? the only one diving at the end of the game was Ramos and it was after a hard kick on his face with blood coming out, so if you really think he was faking it... agree with you that the ref was horrible, but not because helping Spain.

Anyway the game is over, and one of the games of the decade awards, Spain vs Germany in the semi-finals, repeating the final of the Eurocup won by Spain 2 years ago, hope will end that way, but i must admit that Spain plays better vs good teams that try to attack (leaving holes open) than vs all the ones who just create a defensive wall and refuse to play soccer.

Well you tend to see what you want. The penalty was trash in the first place as Villa waited to feel any slight contact and went down like his fuckin' disc slipped.

Ok there was a unintentional, yet legit kick in the head, and therefore, they weren't diving during the first 89'? I don't see the logic. You are a fan, so I do understand that rose-tinted glasses come with the territory. They were diving a lot, but that's their game. I promise if they hit a good countering team (insert Germany), and a decent ref, they will get hammered.

RainMaker · 07-03-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Icy

Dola, for those doubting if any about the penalty not called after Xavi missed the second attempt:

The risk you run when you dive all the time is that the official will think you are faking during legitimate penalties.

ace1914 · 07-03-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Spain actually got the short end of the stick today from the officials. The missed red card and they missed a penalty after the missed penalty kick.

24 calls to 11. There's no short end of the stick there.

Icy · 07-03-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Really? You're ignoring the other 5 guys in the area on purpose or you can't see straight with your head up Iniesta's ass?

I'll try to find a nice pic for you to shut up your mouth, and btw when did i insult you or anybody else? you are showing your class and soccer knowledge talking about heads into asses, are you sure you weren't watching a gay pron movie instead?

Icy · 07-03-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ace1914

24 calls to 11. There's no short end of the stick there.

Maybe because one team was defending while the other was attacking most of the game? you can't make fouls when you are attacking.

ace1914 · 07-03-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Icy

Maybe because one team was defending while the other was attacking most of the game? you can't make fouls when you are attacking.

You can when you are diving.

Even still, there's no short end of the stick when you double your opponents' foul total.

Crapshoot · 07-03-2010, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ace1914

Well you tend to see what you want. The penalty was trash in the first place as Villa waited to feel any slight contact and went down like his fuckin' disc slipped.

Ok there was a unintentional, yet legit kick in the head, and therefore, they weren't diving during the first 89'? I don't see the logic. You are a fan, so I do understand that rose-tinted glasses come with the territory. They were diving a lot, but that's their game. I promise if they hit a good countering team (insert Germany), and a decent ref, they will get hammered.

Are you fucking nuts? Your glasses seem as rose-tinted as Icy's - there was very little diving, and Paraguay should have had a red-card on that penalty - last man and what not. I forget if you're a Dutch or German fan, but its ridiculous.

ace1914 · 07-03-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Are you fucking nuts? Your glasses seem as rose-tinted as Icy's - there was very little diving, and Paraguay should have had a red-card on that penalty - last man and what not. I forget if you're a Dutch or German fan, but its ridiculous.

Uhh..no I am an American fan. I just prefer Germany's style of play. I have no problem admitting my bias. I still believe that Spain dove the entire match.

oykib · 07-03-2010, 03:50 PM

Everything Icy said except for the Fabregas should-have-been penalty being a red card was spot on (the keeper wasn't the last man in that situation, as there were a few defenders on the line-- also Fabregas' touch took the ball away from goal before the keeper fouled him).

kingfc22 · 07-03-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Are you fucking nuts? Your glasses seem as rose-tinted as Icy's - there was very little diving, and Paraguay should have had a red-card on that penalty - last man and what not.

QFT.

Big Fo · 07-03-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oykib

Everything Icy said except for the Fabregas should-have-been penalty being a red card was spot on (the keeper wasn't the last man in that situation, as there were a few defenders on the line-- also Fabregas' touch took the ball away from goal before the keeper fouled him).

Well, the Spanish players were more like several yards in front of where they should have been when Xabi Alonso's first PK was struck. It was clearly the right call to have it be retaken.

But other than that and what you said, Icy is pretty much right.

EagleFan · 07-03-2010, 04:36 PM

Only thing is Icy sure can't complain about the retake on the PK after the Spanish players were more than just over the line on the Paraguay PK. Hell, they practically could have tried to tackle the taker before he shot, they were almost that close.

Matthean · 07-03-2010, 04:55 PM

Well, with Spain moving on the jQuery book I was looking at is 66% off. Link It was the only one I was interested in anyway.

MJ4H · 07-03-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Only thing is Icy sure can't complain about the retake on the PK after the Spanish players were more than just over the line on the Paraguay PK. Hell, they practically could have tried to tackle the taker before he shot, they were almost that close.

Nonsense. Over the line, yes, but not by all that much.

Only angle I could find of the Paraguay PK preceding this showed no one encroaching.

larrymcg421 · 07-03-2010, 05:10 PM

So I saw some debate about the "sportsmanship" of the handball in the Uruguay-Ghana match.

I'm wondering how this is different than a Cornerback who is beaten downfield by a Wide Receiver, and reaches out to commit interference and prevent the TD?

The way I see it, if the guy is willing to sit out a full game for a 15-20% chance that the handball will save the game for his team, then so be it. I don't see what the controversy is all about.

k0ruptr · 07-03-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

So I saw some debate about the "sportsmanship" of the handball in the Uruguay-Ghana match.

I'm wondering how this is different than a Cornerback who is beaten downfield by a Wide Receiver, and reaches out to commit interference and prevent the TD?

The way I see it, if the guy is willing to sit out a full game for a 15-20% chance that the handball will save the game for his team, then so be it. I don't see what the controversy is all about.

agreed. He made a great play, and sacrificed himself for his team.

MJ4H · 07-03-2010, 05:16 PM

Obviously handball was the right play.

ace1914 · 07-03-2010, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

So I saw some debate about the "sportsmanship" of the handball in the Uruguay-Ghana match.

I'm wondering how this is different than a Cornerback who is beaten downfield by a Wide Receiver, and reaches out to commit interference and prevent the TD?

The way I see it, if the guy is willing to sit out a full game for a 15-20% chance that the handball will save the game for his team, then so be it. I don't see what the controversy is all about.

I think a better analogy is instead of getting the points, you have to shoot free throws after a goaltending call.

MJ4H · 07-03-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ace1914

I think a better analogy is instead of getting the points, you have to shoot free throws after a goaltending call.

Well, and get to play a man-up the rest of the game?

larrymcg421 · 07-03-2010, 05:22 PM

Yeah, for example, Gasol isn't going to goaltend if it means he's out for the next game and the Lakers will only be able to play 4 men the rest of the current game.

MIJB#19 · 07-03-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ace1914

Edit: I just went to FiFa.com to check and hmm 24 fouls-PAR vs. 11 fouls-ESP.

Yea...they were diving.

That's one horrible way to use stats to prove a point. I'm not going to defend the Spanish players, but calling them divers because they get fouled on is absurd.

ace1914 · 07-03-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

That's one horrible way to use stats to prove a point. I'm not going to defend the Spanish players, but calling them divers because they get fouled on is absurd.

Its all subjective right? One man's dive is another man's foul....

ace1914 · 07-03-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Yeah, for example, Gasol isn't going to goaltend if it means he's out for the next game and the Lakers will only be able to play 4 men the rest of the current game.

He will on the last play of the game and the ball is destined to go into the net.

Its the rules of the game. However, I do not have to agree with it.

EagleFan · 07-03-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ4H

Nonsense. Over the line, yes, but not by all that much.

Only angle I could find of the Paraguay PK preceding this showed no one encroaching.

I didn't say they were over the line a lot on the Spanish PK (though they were over the line and the rule doesn't state that "a little is okay"), they were on the Paraguay PK... they practically could have tapped him on the shoulder when he kicked it.

MJ4H · 07-03-2010, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I didn't say they were over the line a lot on the Spanish PK (though they were over the line and the rule doesn't state that "a little is okay"), they were on the Paraguay PK... they practically could have tapped him on the shoulder when he kicked it.

Only replay I saw showed nothing like this. Have any pictures?

And I'm aware that a little is not okay. I agree this should be called. I was showing that it was just a little, and not tapping on the kicker's shoulder. However, again, if you meant the Paraguay penalty, I'll need to see an angle other than the only one I can find, which shows absolutely no one encroaching.

AlexB · 07-03-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ4H

Nonsense. Over the line, yes, but not by all that much.

Only angle I could find of the Paraguay PK preceding this showed no one encroaching.

When you consider that you're not supposed to be over the arc line, then you might reconsider that it was 'only just' encroachment. Maybe by 2-3 yards?

EagleFan · 07-03-2010, 05:45 PM

Here is the Paraguay PK. Two Spanish players clearly over the line (by more than just a couple inches) and the keeper already having moved off the line.

EagleFan · 07-03-2010, 05:46 PM

Maybe the touch them on the shoulder line was a bit much but that is easily over the line.

AlexB · 07-03-2010, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Only replay I saw showed nothing like this. Have any pictures?

And I'm aware that a little is not okay. I agree this should be called. I was showing that it was just a little, and not tapping on the kicker's shoulder. However, again, if you meant the Paraguay penalty, I'll need to see an angle other than the only one I can find, which shows absolutely no one encroaching.

On the Paraguay penaly, it weas the Spanish encroaching, and the keeper came off his line. That too should have been retaken, without question (Major edit here! - only, if the Paraguayan had missed)

larrymcg421 · 07-03-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ace1914

He will on the last play of the game and the ball is destined to go into the net.

Its the rules of the game. However, I do not have to agree with it.

Well that's fine, you're arguing the rule. I'm talking about the sportsmanship angle. I see nothing wrong with what the guy did. He took a major risk and it paid off.

Scoobz0202 · 07-03-2010, 06:13 PM

I was able to win the group stage of the 2010 World Cup with USA. Other teams in my group? Spain, Brazil, and Australia.

I had the lead over Chile 4-1 in the 80th minute in the first match after group play. I fucking just lost 5-4 in ET. Im going to go smoke a pack of cigs.

07-03-2010, 03:12 PM	#3652
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07-03-2010, 03:22 PM	#3656
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07-03-2010, 03:32 PM	#3665
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	The ref almost made us to lose this game in 5 minutes: - The penalty against Spain, the defender was the last man, so it must have been a red card, it's the rule. Instead he showed him a yellow. - Penalty scored, and the ref says it needs to be shot again because an Spanish player was an inch inside? - Penalty missed, then Fabregas runs towards the ball the the goalkeeper hits him with both arms on his legs, a CLEAR PENALTY and again a RED CARD for the Goalkeeper, instead the ref didn't call anything. At that point, i thought we would be out of the semi exactly like we did vs Italy in USA's world cup, just because the ref. Then in the goal play, first Pedrito hits the post, then Villa hits it again and i was WTFFFFFF! but finally it ended inside. Justice was made. And ace1914, did you really see lots of Spanish players diving?? the only one diving at the end of the game was Ramos and it was after a hard kick on his face with blood coming out, so if you really think he was faking it... agree with you that the ref was horrible, but not because helping Spain. Anyway the game is over, and one of the games of the decade awards, Spain vs Germany in the semi-finals, repeating the final of the Eurocup won by Spain 2 years ago, hope will end that way, but i must admit that Spain plays better vs good teams that try to attack (leaving holes open) than vs all the ones who just create a defensive wall and refuse to play soccer. Forgot to say, if there is a soccer GOD, Casillas must be his son, he has barely appeared in the WC so far as we are attacking most of the time, but today he was there when we needed him as always. __________________ Last edited by Icy : 07-03-2010 at 03:35 PM.

07-03-2010, 03:37 PM	#3668
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Dola, for those doubting if any about the penalty not called after Xavi missed the second attempt: __________________

07-03-2010, 04:55 PM	#3682
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07-03-2010, 03:11 PM	#3651
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	"He's not going to miss from there!!!" Technically he didn't but it that is another inch to the right it's not a goal.

07-03-2010, 03:12 PM	#3653
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	if I had to watch paraguay for another 90 minutes I'd rather blow my head off. Thank Villa.

07-03-2010, 03:16 PM	#3654
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Holy shit Spain nearly gave it away. What a keeper Casillas is.

07-03-2010, 03:18 PM	#3655
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	fuck....that had to hurt(ramos)

07-03-2010, 03:22 PM	#3657
ace1914 High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2007	This was a very poor officiated match. I'm studying and every time look up, some fuckin' Spaniard is rolling on the ground and the ref is falling for this crap. I really hope he doesn't ref the final. I'd like the guy from the Ghana/Uruguay game in there.

07-03-2010, 03:22 PM	#3658
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	So it's kind of a different story regarding South American and European teams now, eh?

07-03-2010, 03:24 PM	#3660
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Classy of the Spanish guys to console Cardozo - poor guy.

07-03-2010, 03:28 PM	#3662
ace1914 High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2007	Yes. Anytime I look up and every player on the squad has some overly theatrical fall. Yea, that's pretty much diving in a nutshell. Edit: I just went to FiFa.com to check and hmm 24 fouls-PAR vs. 11 fouls-ESP. Yea...they were diving.

07-03-2010, 03:30 PM	#3663
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I hope Germany kicks the crap out of Spain.

07-03-2010, 03:33 PM	#3666
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Spain actually got the short end of the stick today from the officials. The missed red card and they missed a penalty after the missed penalty kick.

07-03-2010, 03:37 PM	#3669
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	The one thing I like about Germany is they never miss good scoring chances. Seems like everyone converts them at a real low rate and they just pound any team that gives them an inch.

07-03-2010, 03:50 PM	#3678
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Everything Icy said except for the Fabregas should-have-been penalty being a red card was spot on (the keeper wasn't the last man in that situation, as there were a few defenders on the line-- also Fabregas' touch took the ball away from goal before the keeper fouled him).

07-03-2010, 04:36 PM	#3681
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Only thing is Icy sure can't complain about the retake on the PK after the Spanish players were more than just over the line on the Paraguay PK. Hell, they practically could have tried to tackle the taker before he shot, they were almost that close.

07-03-2010, 05:10 PM	#3684
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	So I saw some debate about the "sportsmanship" of the handball in the Uruguay-Ghana match. I'm wondering how this is different than a Cornerback who is beaten downfield by a Wide Receiver, and reaches out to commit interference and prevent the TD? The way I see it, if the guy is willing to sit out a full game for a 15-20% chance that the handball will save the game for his team, then so be it. I don't see what the controversy is all about. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-03-2010, 05:16 PM	#3686
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07-03-2010, 05:22 PM	#3689
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07-03-2010, 05:46 PM	#3697
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Maybe the touch them on the shoulder line was a bit much but that is easily over the line.

07-03-2010, 06:13 PM	#3700
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	I was able to win the group stage of the 2010 World Cup with USA. Other teams in my group? Spain, Brazil, and Australia. I had the lead over Chile 4-1 in the 80th minute in the first match after group play. I fucking just lost 5-4 in ET. Im going to go smoke a pack of cigs.

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