WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN - Page 75

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm saying it certainly seems like you do. Or you just thought you could get a move to more more likely than a move to him.

I think you are slightly more likely to be a wolf now than McKerney.

dubb93 · 10-13-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Threw it away? I was hoping others would go to Autumn, otherwise it would be all 4 people that voted going for autumn.

Stop. If we make it to D11 you die. If you are a villager you are a dangerous one.

mckerney · 10-13-2011, 10:05 PM

Even if I do I'll be dead by morning, not sure how it changes things if we get the lynch wrong tomorrow. We can still win 1v1, but don't have any roles left (that I know of anyway). :/

J23 · 10-13-2011, 10:06 PM

I'm thinking there very well could be 2 wolves unfortunately. The deaths seem to alternate a broken back and a broken neck. I'm really hoping it's the same person, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if there are 2 and we're at game over.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I think you could have come up with a time to vote me before five minutes left. Five minutes left on what could be a game deciding lynch, that's not a good time to pull a new vote out of your hat.

Wasn't entirely new Dubb was on you for a tiny bit. Maybe he goes on you and then McKerny. Then you are lynched. Out of the people left you two are the most suspicious to me now, with you barely beating out McKerney.

Autumn · 10-13-2011, 10:07 PM

Well, the one thing I can say is that it's probably best to lynch the quieter suspect. Commo gives us plenty to work from in thread, and Mckerney was a harder nut to crack. Better to vote him now, and find out since we're not likely to get much more out of him than this.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Stop. If we make it to D11 you die. If you are a villager you are a dangerous one.

I may die, I have a 40% chance at survival, there you go again assuming the worst for me.

mckerney · 10-13-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I'm thinking there very well could be 2 wolves unfortunately. The deaths seem to alternate a broken back and a broken neck. I'm really hoping it's the same person, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if there are 2 and we're at game over.

Please don't let there be two wolves...

Abe Sargent · 10-13-2011, 10:07 PM

With just five of you left, deliberations are much shorter than before. You only need a plurality of votes on one person. You go around a bit but settle on The Martyr. He could have been corrupted long ago and you wouldn't know it. He's a good target for corruption since he could hide behind the scenes as the Martyr. You've witnessed similar work before.

The Flame is fired, and The Martyr calmly walks in. This has always been his destination, and his calling. This is the fate of all Martyrs, sooner or later.

He steps in, and the Flame brightens, welcoming one of its own back to it. The Flame claims mckerney's body but not his soul, and it is born to all, as a Lightbringer. He was the least powerful of you, but the strongest. No greater love has a man than this, that he lay down his life for his friend.

mckerney was The Martyr and a Lightbringer

Day Ten has ended. Night Ten has begun and will end at 2:00 am

J23 · 10-13-2011, 10:08 PM

The flame sucks.

J23 · 10-13-2011, 10:09 PM

Day 1:
Wolves: Eaglefan, NtnDeacon, Zinto
Village lynches Ntn

Night 1:
Zinto corrupts Narc (or someone else)
SnDvls follows Gram
Wolves NK bhlloy (Found in river eaten - has to be EF's kill)

Day 2:
Wolves: EF, Zinto, Narc/Other
Village lynches Saldana

Night 2:
Wolves NK Lathum (eaten, huge bites out of him - probably EF again.)
SnDvls follows Hoops
Zinto corrupts someone else here? With EF doing the NK's, it's definately possible.
Bug scans Jackal, Danny

Day 3:
Wolves: EF, Zinto, Narc, Other?
SnDvls follows Autumn
Village lynches Zinto

Night 3:
Wolves NK Danny (torn in 3 pieces, consumed - could be EF again)
Bug scans mauboy1
Probably not another conversion w/ Zinto dead.

Day 4:
Wolves: EF, Narc, Other?
SnDvls follows Hoops
Village lynches Raiders Army

Night 4:
Wolves NK Dzilla - (face chewed off, EF?), Crimsonfox - Snapped neck (other wolf)
Bug scans Narcizo

Day 5:
Wolves: EF, Narc, Other?
Village lynches Bug

Night 5:
Wolves NK SnDvls - giant bite (EF)

Day 6:
Wolves: EF, Narc, Other?
Village lynches Narc

Night 6:
Wolves NK Grammaticus (back broken - likely other wolf?)
*If EF is the only wolf left, does he nightkill as well as convert here?

Day 7:
Wolves: EF, Other
Village lynches EF, EF kills ChiefRum

Night 7:
Wolves NK Thomkal (broken neck - other wolf)

Night 8:
Wolvs NK Hoopsguy (back broken - other wolf)

Day 9:
Wolves: Other
Village lynches mauboy1

Night 9:
Wolves NK Jackal (broken neck - other wolf)

Day 10 :
Wolves: Other
Village lynches Mckerney

Autumn · 10-13-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Wasn't entirely new Dubb was on you for a tiny bit. Maybe he goes on you and then McKerny. Then you are lynched. Out of the people left you two are the most suspicious to me now, with you barely beating out McKerney.

Or you think I'm the most likely to gain traction tomorrow. Mckerney is dying now, and Dubb and J23 haven't gotten a lot of looks today. So it's either you or me, you're thinking.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:09 PM

Sorry Mckerney, but at least I "threw away" my vote in trying to save you.

dubb93 · 10-13-2011, 10:09 PM

Vote Commo

dubb93 · 10-13-2011, 10:09 PM

Too soon?

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Or you think I'm the most likely to gain traction tomorrow. Mckerney is dying now, and Dubb and J23 haven't gotten a lot of looks today. So it's either you or me, you're thinking.

I'm thinking about Dubb now.

Autumn · 10-13-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

The flame sucks.

Seriously, how could we not get one single break??

dubb93 · 10-13-2011, 10:10 PM

How about now?

Vote Commo

dubb93 · 10-13-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

I'm thinking about Dubb now.

Thats fine. Vote me.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:11 PM

If I survive tonight and am lynched tomorrow it would have been a 12% chance that every villager was lynched. 16% chance if the only other villager is lynched.

J23 · 10-13-2011, 10:11 PM

The really bad part about a vote switch that late, especially to a tie, is that it causes confusion. It looks really bad, and makes me wish I'd voted for you to have not allowed the possibility of it happening.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

How about now?

Vote Commo

That last person that did that, Danny, was wrong too.

Autumn · 10-13-2011, 10:12 PM

Wow, damn. Commo seems the obvious vote for sure, but I'm going to have to look at Dubb and J23 too. HE certainly gives quite a smoke screen a quieter wolf could hide behind.

I'm not going to do more 'til the night phase is over. The wolf has to figure out who to try to kill, who's going to vote with them tomorrow. Best not to help them out.

dubb93 · 10-13-2011, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

The really bad part about a vote switch that late, especially to a tie, is that it causes confusion. It looks really bad, and makes me wish I'd voted for you to have not allowed the possibility of it happening.

My point exactly. If he is a villager he is a dangerous one.

dubb93 · 10-13-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

That last person that did that, Danny, was wrong too.

Vote Commo

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

The really bad part about a vote switch that late, especially to a tie, is that it causes confusion. It looks really bad, and makes me wish I'd voted for you to have not allowed the possibility of it happening.

When I did it, it brought me into a 2-2-1 tie with McKerney. After that it moved to a 3-1-1 and then just 3-1. It was still possible for a vote movement off of Mckerney.

dubb93 · 10-13-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

When I did it, it brought me into a 2-2-1 tie with McKerney. After that it moved to a 3-1-1 and then just 3-1. It was still possible for a vote movement off of Mckerney.

No it wasn't. You made McKerney unvote. And you made Autumn move his vote to avoid a tie.

MrBug708 · 10-13-2011, 10:14 PM

We suck

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

My point exactly. If he is a villager he is a dangerous one.

Why because I moved myself into a tie I can easily get out of if I really needed too. I thought Autumn was more likely a wolf, now look who is wrong, not this villager.

Autumn · 10-13-2011, 10:15 PM

I gotta say I spent way too long on this game today, trying to make an end game work well for the village for once. I forgot just how ridiculous it gets. I'm going to go do some work. I'll be back on in the morning if I live. If anyone wants to vote me tomorrow, I'd appreciate if they'll do their homework and at least vote for me for a good reason.

Night all.

dubb93 · 10-13-2011, 10:15 PM

I'm out. Will be back in about 3 hours and 45 minutes to snap Commo's neck.

Wait did I say that out loud. Was supposed to be in PM.

J23 · 10-13-2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

When I did it, it brought me into a 2-2-1 tie with McKerney. After that it moved to a 3-1-1 and then just 3-1. It was still possible for a vote movement off of Mckerney.

With how little time was left, moving votes is extremely risky or you end up with another tie because everyone is scrambling. It causes confusion as I mentioned and is really just bad.

Autumn · 10-13-2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Why because I moved myself into a tie I can easily get out of if I really needed too. I thought Autumn was more likely a wolf, now look who is wrong, not this villager.

Can I just say that the only villagers who are never wrong are the wolves. Making yourself look good by getting off an innocent villager is a classic move.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Why because I moved myself into a tie I can easily get out of if I really needed too. I thought Autumn was more likely a wolf, now look who is wrong, not this villager.

Unless Autumn is a villager, then I guess only the wolf was right. At least there is only one wolf left and the village still has two chances to win this thing.

dubb93 · 10-13-2011, 10:17 PM

Commo is clearly playing the wolf who thinks he has to look right at the end. He is playing the exact game Poli played for years minus blowing up games when he gets voted for.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I gotta say I spent way too long on this game today, trying to make an end game work well for the village for once. I forgot just how ridiculous it gets. I'm going to go do some work. I'll be back on in the morning if I live. If anyone wants to vote me tomorrow, I'd appreciate if they'll do their homework and at least vote for me for a good reason.

Night all.

I voted for you because of how much you were deflecting everything onto everyone else and making it be less about you. It does take alot of time to do things, time I didn't have today, but tomorrow is Friday and mandatory that I leave by 3 and not 5 so I will have more time to research if need be.

Autumn · 10-13-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

With how little time was left, moving votes is extremely risky or you end up with another tie because everyone is scrambling. It causes confusion as I mentioned and is really just bad.

Yeah, if we were 4-1, then a tie could have taken out two villagers and given the wolf the win tonight. I thought about letting Mckerney and Commo tie, but didn't because I would have to be 100% certain one of them was a wolf, not 99% certain. That's giving the game away, allowing a tie.

Okay now I'm realy going to work.

J23 · 10-13-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Unless Autumn is a villager, then I guess only the wolf was right. At least there is only one wolf left and the village still has two chances to win this thing.

We have one chance if there's a NK tonight.

We lynch 1 tomorrow afterwards and if we're wrong, it's 1-1 and off to some mystery mechanic.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

With how little time was left, moving votes is extremely risky or you end up with another tie because everyone is scrambling. It causes confusion as I mentioned and is really just bad.

I can see that, but with 5 people left and everyone here not so bad. Especially when you think the person up is a villager, what am I suppose to do lynch a villager because it looks bad not to?

J23 · 10-13-2011, 10:21 PM

You said you thought mckerney or Autumn were the wolves. In that position, I leave the vote where it is and hope your 2nd choice was the wolf and worry about lynching your first choice the next night.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Can I just say that the only villagers who are never wrong are the wolves. Making yourself look good by getting off an innocent villager is a classic move.

I take it being the only one left, I believe, maybe J23, to vote out every wolf is a classic wolf move to, even pushing a little for the first two original wolves, who happen to appear to be the only two with conversion powers to die by day three is classic to. If it is I don't want to be new age.

J23 · 10-13-2011, 10:22 PM

I should say "was the wolf", since the lack of an endgame condition should mean just 1 remaining.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Yeah, if we were 4-1, then a tie could have taken out two villagers and given the wolf the win tonight. I thought about letting Mckerney and Commo tie, but didn't because I would have to be 100% certain one of them was a wolf, not 99% certain. That's giving the game away, allowing a tie.

Okay now I'm realy going to work.

Glad to be in your 1% range then as you were wrong on both accounts.

Autumn · 10-13-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

I voted for you because of how much you were deflecting everything onto everyone else and making it be less about you. It does take alot of time to do things, time I didn't have today, but tomorrow is Friday and mandatory that I leave by 3 and not 5 so I will have more time to research if need be.

That's not deflecting. Frankly the work I did was for myself, to make a decision. I'm not going to spend the extra time quoting back my own posts as well. If I did do that there's no way at all any of you should pay attention to it, because a wolf would just cherry pick his own posts.

Autumn · 10-13-2011, 10:24 PM

Really going now. Really.

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

We have one chance if there's a NK tonight.

We lynch 1 tomorrow afterwards and if we're wrong, it's 1-1 and off to some mystery mechanic.

one - one and a mystery mechanic is still a chance. I really am not sure who would be my vote tomorrow, dubb seems very dubious to me again especially with his neck crack comment, easy to play off as joking I'm sure for a wolf.

Abe Sargent · 10-13-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Seriously, how could we not get one single break??

I rolled a 12

Commo_Soldier · 10-13-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

That's not deflecting. Frankly the work I did was for myself, to make a decision. I'm not going to spend the extra time quoting back my own posts as well. If I did do that there's no way at all any of you should pay attention to it, because a wolf would just cherry pick his own posts.

I understand that, but you had to have come across some strange posts of yours while going through page by page, adding one or two wouldn't have hurt, I would have done it. If you truly believe you were in the right it shouldn't be that hard for you to explain. Getting others to believe you is another story as I'm seeing however.

J23 · 10-13-2011, 10:27 PM

With the remaining wolf likely being a convert, I think the vote on ntn is completely useless to look at other than for which villager looks good and is therefore a good person to convert.

I think when Zinto died, the remaining wolf had already been converted, so that vote might have some good information in it, however, a lot of conversion mechanics have a limited number of uses, and if his were used up, it might not be a bad spot to buy trust as a villager. I'll have to go back to the vote records to have an idea if there's anything there that I can see.

J23 · 10-13-2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

I understand that, but you had to have come across some strange posts of yours while going through page by page, adding one or two wouldn't have hurt, I would have done it. If you truly believe you were in the right it shouldn't be that hard for you to explain. Getting others to believe you is another story as I'm seeing however.

I wouldn't quote dubious things about myself as I'm looking through. When I was scanning the thread earlier tonight, I was definitely more drawn to the parts that I got it right as opposed to questionable posts. When I read back through, I still have the justifications for why I said the things I did in my head, so it's harder for me to spot anything "bad" honestly.

10-13-2011, 10:07 PM	#3709
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	With just five of you left, deliberations are much shorter than before. You only need a plurality of votes on one person. You go around a bit but settle on The Martyr. He could have been corrupted long ago and you wouldn't know it. He's a good target for corruption since he could hide behind the scenes as the Martyr. You've witnessed similar work before. The Flame is fired, and The Martyr calmly walks in. This has always been his destination, and his calling. This is the fate of all Martyrs, sooner or later. He steps in, and the Flame brightens, welcoming one of its own back to it. The Flame claims mckerney's body but not his soul, and it is born to all, as a Lightbringer. He was the least powerful of you, but the strongest. No greater love has a man than this, that he lay down his life for his friend. mckerney was The Martyr and a Lightbringer Day Ten has ended. Night Ten has begun and will end at 2:00 am __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-13-2011, 10:09 PM	#3713
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	Sorry Mckerney, but at least I "threw away" my vote in trying to save you. __________________ I killed a wolf and I liked it.

10-13-2011, 10:11 PM	#3720
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	If I survive tonight and am lynched tomorrow it would have been a 12% chance that every villager was lynched. 16% chance if the only other villager is lynched. __________________ I killed a wolf and I liked it.

10-13-2011, 10:05 PM	#3703
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Even if I do I'll be dead by morning, not sure how it changes things if we get the lynch wrong tomorrow. We can still win 1v1, but don't have any roles left (that I know of anyway). :/

10-13-2011, 10:06 PM	#3704
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	I'm thinking there very well could be 2 wolves unfortunately. The deaths seem to alternate a broken back and a broken neck. I'm really hoping it's the same person, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if there are 2 and we're at game over.

10-13-2011, 10:07 PM	#3706
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Well, the one thing I can say is that it's probably best to lynch the quieter suspect. Commo gives us plenty to work from in thread, and Mckerney was a harder nut to crack. Better to vote him now, and find out since we're not likely to get much more out of him than this.

10-13-2011, 10:08 PM	#3710
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	The flame sucks.

10-13-2011, 10:09 PM	#3711
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	Day 1: Wolves: Eaglefan, NtnDeacon, Zinto Village lynches Ntn Night 1: Zinto corrupts Narc (or someone else) SnDvls follows Gram Wolves NK bhlloy (Found in river eaten - has to be EF's kill) Day 2: Wolves: EF, Zinto, Narc/Other Village lynches Saldana Night 2: Wolves NK Lathum (eaten, huge bites out of him - probably EF again.) SnDvls follows Hoops Zinto corrupts someone else here? With EF doing the NK's, it's definately possible. Bug scans Jackal, Danny Day 3: Wolves: EF, Zinto, Narc, Other? SnDvls follows Autumn Village lynches Zinto Night 3: Wolves NK Danny (torn in 3 pieces, consumed - could be EF again) Bug scans mauboy1 Probably not another conversion w/ Zinto dead. Day 4: Wolves: EF, Narc, Other? SnDvls follows Hoops Village lynches Raiders Army Night 4: Wolves NK Dzilla - (face chewed off, EF?), Crimsonfox - Snapped neck (other wolf) Bug scans Narcizo Day 5: Wolves: EF, Narc, Other? Village lynches Bug Night 5: Wolves NK SnDvls - giant bite (EF) Day 6: Wolves: EF, Narc, Other? Village lynches Narc Night 6: Wolves NK Grammaticus (back broken - likely other wolf?) *If EF is the only wolf left, does he nightkill as well as convert here? Day 7: Wolves: EF, Other Village lynches EF, EF kills ChiefRum Night 7: Wolves NK Thomkal (broken neck - other wolf) Night 8: Wolvs NK Hoopsguy (back broken - other wolf) Day 9: Wolves: Other Village lynches mauboy1 Night 9: Wolves NK Jackal (broken neck - other wolf) Day 10 : Wolves: Other Village lynches Mckerney

10-13-2011, 10:11 PM	#3721
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	The really bad part about a vote switch that late, especially to a tie, is that it causes confusion. It looks really bad, and makes me wish I'd voted for you to have not allowed the possibility of it happening.

10-13-2011, 10:12 PM	#3723
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Wow, damn. Commo seems the obvious vote for sure, but I'm going to have to look at Dubb and J23 too. HE certainly gives quite a smoke screen a quieter wolf could hide behind. I'm not going to do more 'til the night phase is over. The wolf has to figure out who to try to kill, who's going to vote with them tomorrow. Best not to help them out.

10-13-2011, 10:14 PM	#3728
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	We suck

10-13-2011, 10:15 PM	#3730
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I gotta say I spent way too long on this game today, trying to make an end game work well for the village for once. I forgot just how ridiculous it gets. I'm going to go do some work. I'll be back on in the morning if I live. If anyone wants to vote me tomorrow, I'd appreciate if they'll do their homework and at least vote for me for a good reason. Night all.

10-13-2011, 10:21 PM	#3740
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	You said you thought mckerney or Autumn were the wolves. In that position, I leave the vote where it is and hope your 2nd choice was the wolf and worry about lynching your first choice the next night.

10-13-2011, 10:22 PM	#3742
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	I should say "was the wolf", since the lack of an endgame condition should mean just 1 remaining.

10-13-2011, 10:24 PM	#3745
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Really going now. Really.

10-13-2011, 10:27 PM	#3749
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	With the remaining wolf likely being a convert, I think the vote on ntn is completely useless to look at other than for which villager looks good and is therefore a good person to convert. I think when Zinto died, the remaining wolf had already been converted, so that vote might have some good information in it, however, a lot of conversion mechanics have a limited number of uses, and if his were used up, it might not be a bad spot to buy trust as a villager. I'll have to go back to the vote records to have an idea if there's anything there that I can see.

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