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08-11-2011, 02:51 PM | #3702 | |
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More smoke now coming from the Big Ten Conference regarding their expansion. This poster has been spot-on with all his posts. He's obviously being fed information from a person in the Big Ten offices or an AD office. I'm not sure how much longer some can continue to be in denial that there is a large amount of upheaval within the conferences and that things are going to change sooner rather than later........
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08-11-2011, 03:08 PM | #3703 | |
This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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08-11-2011, 03:15 PM | #3704 |
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A 16 team SEC is going to create some pissed off fanbases a few years down the line when they realize someone that's used to winning is going to have some 4-8 seasons.
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08-11-2011, 03:23 PM | #3705 |
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If I am a non-Florida member of the SEC, I'm doing everything I can to block FSU. Why give Florida an extra 2 million bucks or so every year for the extra non-conference home game they would get to schedule?
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08-11-2011, 03:25 PM | #3706 |
This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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But having FSU in the SEC weakens UF, and that might please some schools.
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08-11-2011, 03:36 PM | #3707 | |
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I'm worried about this and Michigan in a 16-team Big Ten, since we won't exactly be starting out in the best position, either. |
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08-11-2011, 03:42 PM | #3708 | |
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the SEC stopped at 14. It would be pretty hard for them to justify playing 4 OOC games each year with a 16 team league. With 14 they could have a balanced league schedule; 3 home and 3 road division games and 1 home and 1 road against the other division each year. Leaves plenty of room for all the Directional State U’s they have to fit onto the schedule. |
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08-11-2011, 03:50 PM | #3709 | |
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08-11-2011, 04:02 PM | #3710 |
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08-11-2011, 04:52 PM | #3711 |
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08-11-2011, 04:55 PM | #3712 |
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08-11-2011, 05:35 PM | #3713 |
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The guy closest to the Big Ten who has had a lot of info regarding its expansion is saying that the Big Ten wants to make a run at A&M. I don't see how that would even be remotely possible but it's somewhat intriguing.
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08-11-2011, 05:37 PM | #3714 | |
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I could see that the Big Ten would be extremely interested in finding in-roads into Texas. Not sure if A&M's #1 preference would be the Big Ten. |
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08-11-2011, 06:38 PM | #3715 |
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Aggieyell.com reporting TAMU to the SEC is done. Front page article is titled "Good Bye, Big 12".
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08-11-2011, 06:47 PM | #3716 |
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And the hysteria continues
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08-11-2011, 06:52 PM | #3717 |
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If the Big Ten is expanding more I hope we take two teams and Maryland is one of them. I think we'll keep the door open for ND until there is no choice but to move on. Until we get 16 there ought to always be an invitation for ND to join.
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08-11-2011, 07:13 PM | #3718 | ||
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Not surprising. This guy just confirms what I've heard through several people at Mizzou. Most of the B12 schools have not stopped talking with other conferences despite the 'deal' to 'save' the Big 12. It's going to blow up and we are going to see at least four and probably five 16-team conferences in the very near future. Quote:
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08-11-2011, 07:43 PM | #3719 |
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Come on Big East, just do it.
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08-11-2011, 07:55 PM | #3720 |
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Gonna be fascinating to watch. I have a hard time believing any of the other conferences are going to be OK bringing Texas on board with the Longhorn Network intact. On the other hand, given the way the Pac-12 has set up their networks, if Texas is willing to make a few compromises, their network might be able to fit in to the larger Pac-12 Network plan.
If Texas is off the table and pursues being an independent, Oklahoma quickly becomes the big fish out there. Will politics dictate that Oklahoma has to be paired with Oklahoma State? Would the SEC want Oklahoma enough to accept also taking on Oklahoma State? I'm pretty sure the Pac-12 would take them given their limited options to expand further... |
08-11-2011, 08:00 PM | #3721 |
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Whatever happened to the Missouri to the Big10 being a done deal?
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08-11-2011, 08:12 PM | #3722 |
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Of the Big East teams I'm interested to see where Syracuse, Rutgers, and Louisville end up. I think WVU, Pitt, and UConn end up in the ACC. Rutgers would be a solid Big 10 addition but I'm not sure the ACC would be interested.
Of course if the Big East were to boot Seton Hall and DePaul and Notre Dame ends up in the Big 10 then Maryland and BC to the Big East may be an attractive option with TV contract negotiations taking place now. I don't see Big East football surviving this, but there is a chance if the SEC grabs FSU along with Virginia Tech or Clemson. In that scenario the Big East may become a more attractive option just because of the open TV contract. It's definitely going to be interesting. |
08-11-2011, 08:25 PM | #3723 |
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If the Big East is proactive and nabs Kansas and Missouri it might be able to safe itself. I don't know though. It's a tough situation for them to be in.
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08-11-2011, 08:25 PM | #3724 | |
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Oklahoma is reportedly livid about this development. They're stuck with OSU, so if the SEC goes to 14 teams in the short term, there's no way OU can jump until they make a move to 16 teams. |
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08-11-2011, 08:30 PM | #3725 | |
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BC and Maryland would be excellent fits and a new TV deal would possibly bring both schools more money than they're getting in the ACC. Some basketball only schools are going to have to go though for things to work. Seton Hall could go because it's become obvious they aren't interested in actually competing, DePaul is just a terrible fit, Notre Dame will be gone. That leaves Marquette as the only other school that doesn't have long standing ties that I could see being asked to move along. |
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08-11-2011, 08:33 PM | #3726 | |
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That would be nice. If the Big Ten wanted to expand for the sake of expanding I could see two of Maryland, Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers getting invited. |
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08-11-2011, 08:33 PM | #3727 |
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Article from the UT Minister of Information..........
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08-11-2011, 08:46 PM | #3728 | |
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08-11-2011, 09:11 PM | #3729 | |
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Max of 2 west teams though, with 1 being TAMU, so no way SEC would also take 2 more west teams. They would pair 1 or 2 west teams with 1 or 2 east teams. Assuming any of this is real...
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08-11-2011, 09:12 PM | #3730 |
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Source said talk of 'done deal' is premature, but also doesn't deny that SEC and A&M are working on details...........
Source: Report of Texas A&M accepting SEC invitation 'just not true' - NCAA Football - Sporting News |
08-11-2011, 09:20 PM | #3731 | |
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I don't see how it's not inevitable with this much smoke out there. I'd assume TAMU is working on its exit strategy while the SEC figures out who the 14th member will be. |
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08-11-2011, 09:21 PM | #3732 |
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I'd really like to see the Big East stay intact through this, but it is hard to see how it avoids getting chopped apart.
One thing that I am watching is if Virginia Tech and UVA could manage to part ways without either of them being harmed. I can envision Tech going to the SEC with A&M and the Big Ten inviting Maryland and UVA. As a WVU fan, I am terrified that we will get left out. On the one hand, we have pretty strong football and basketball programs, strong followings, and do not have any political ties to less desirable schools. But our academics and media market size kills us with the Big Ten and (most likely) with the ACC, unless they relax their parameters. |
08-11-2011, 09:27 PM | #3733 | |
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Big East isn't going to be the one chopped up, it'll be the Big 12. Heck if Florida State leaves the ACC, they are ripe for a raid.
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08-11-2011, 09:29 PM | #3734 |
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I'm guessing this is a reason why they turned down ESPN's offer? to use as a bargaining chip in staying a league?
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08-11-2011, 09:30 PM | #3735 | |
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I think all the 'we'll get left out' by some of these schools and their fans is awfully premature. There's going to be at least one and possibly two more large conferences to emerge from this whole thing. The three obvious survivors are going to be the B10, SEC, and PAC-whatever. There's going to be another eastern and another western conference that pop out of this whole mess. It's going to be a different landscape, but there will be plenty of room for all the schools that are relevant now. |
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08-11-2011, 09:34 PM | #3736 | |
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It makes more sense that way. The way I see it, there will end up being 5 major conferences, 3 with 16, 2 with 12. It makes much more sense for schools that want to jump to go to a conference that is free to renegotiate its contract in the next 18 months than a conference that is locked in for the next 10 years.
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08-11-2011, 09:37 PM | #3737 |
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Would the rumor of them wanting A&M just be to get Texas to give a little on their Longhorn Network?
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08-11-2011, 09:41 PM | #3738 |
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Wow. Some amazing stuff hitting the B12 premium message boards on Rivals right now. Not going to list specifics, but it sounds like other B12 schools already have gigs lined up (and have for several months) if A&M pulls the pin out of the grenade.
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08-11-2011, 09:42 PM | #3739 |
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I hope you guys are right, but I have a tough time seeing ESPN doing the Big East any favors at the ACC's expense (whether it is a diminished ACC or not). I want WVU to end up in a BCS conference, at all costs, but I'll be really bummed if we split up from Pitt/Syracuse/Rutgers/UConn and, to a lesser extent, Louisville.
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08-11-2011, 09:49 PM | #3740 | |
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ESPN might not, but NBC needs programming for their sports network too.
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08-11-2011, 09:54 PM | #3741 | |
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Yeah, it is hard to envision ESPN letting that happen quietly. I can see them kicking the legs out from under NBC and the Big East by suggesting that the ACC grab 3 or 4 Big East teams and renegotiating with them. |
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08-11-2011, 10:25 PM | #3742 | |
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How about teams and conferences. Or is that too specific? |
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08-11-2011, 10:26 PM | #3743 |
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Or more specifically, where does Mizzou end up?
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08-11-2011, 10:47 PM | #3744 |
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I'd guess that Texas and Oklahoma probably have standing offers to the Pac 12 and SEC (and probably both to the Big Ten, but certainly Texas does).
Oklahoma State probably can go SEC or Pac 12 with Oklahoma. Texas Tech can probably go to the Pac 12 with Texas and possibly with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Missouri, Kansas, KSU, and Iowa State were voted on and approved by Big East presidents last fall, before TCU wass added. I would guess that Missouri, Kansas, and KSU still have an open invite and Iowa State probably does, as well. Kansas and Missouri may be possibilities for the Pac 12, if better options fall through, and are longshots for the Big Ten. Missouri is a longshot, but possibility for the SEC or ACC. Baylor is probably SOL. Texas and/or Oklahoma have enough gravity to anchor a BCS conference with a mishmash of non-AQ teams and BCS leftovers, if they so choose, I would imagine. Last edited by Swaggs : 08-11-2011 at 10:49 PM. |
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Tech wants badly to be in the PAC-12. The PAC-10 will only expand if they can get Texas though, IMO. They dont see the need to expand for the sake of expanding right now. If Oklahoma is indeed tied to OSU, it seems like it will be those four or nothing for the PAC-12
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08-11-2011, 10:55 PM | #3746 |
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08-11-2011, 11:28 PM | #3747 | |
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That said, I think Texas is going to have a hard time going independent. Obviously they could pull it off just fine in football, but what about all their other sports? BYU could do it because, frankly, their other sports aren't a big deal, and so placing them in the WCC was a viable solution. What would Texas do with their other sports? Conference USA or the Sun Belt? I have my doubts... Joining the Pac-12 would make a lot of sense, as would the Big Ten. |
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08-11-2011, 11:38 PM | #3748 | |
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I agree. I don't see why the PAC 12 wouldn't go for the 2 most desirable schools that are willing to join as soon as the Big 12 implodes. It doesn't make sense to sit around and end up with last picks on this. They can get to 14 and then wait and see how think the dominoes are going to fall before expanding to 16. |
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PAC 12 could go BYU and Air Force. Along with OU and OSU. They have 2 schools in each state in their conference and I think they like that. (I'm counting Cali as 2 states.
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08-11-2011, 11:58 PM | #3750 |
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BYU isn't an option
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