WW CXLIX SPAWN IV - GAME OVER (Post 3845)

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Only rule I"ve seen JAG is that the trainer can train an enlisted to be a specialist and untrain a specialist to be an enlisted. Is that what you meant? I think you said security.

anyway abe is here. Abe, can you tell us if you can train any of us into scientists or not?

and do you know if you have a role?

I would prefer not to talk about any role I may or may not have at this point

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Chubby

If the captain is spawn with no 1st mate, does that mean game over with no mutiny option?

If no doctors are around, yes. I specifically asked BK in a PM and he told me that's how the game ended for Spawn II, a Spawn captain with no way to lynch them. That's why I made the statement about having expected to have been targeted if a Spawn was amongst the officers (after all the doctors were killed especially, since there would be no way to blow them up), but it's possible they weren't aware of this. I wasn't aware until I asked BK the night hoops and Julio were killed. The only reason I bring it up is because the cat is out of the bag with your question and I want people aware of it. I feel decently about Danny since he voted Britrock the past couple days, LSG would be the only officer I don't have a good feel for that's left.

[Chubby]

I brought it up because I was thinking that may be why danny was going after lsg today... I'm between darth and danny, I don't think lsg is spawn as either she or her other spawn would have taken you out. If danny is spawn, he'd know the play is to lynch 1 (not going to be you with a scan) and nk the other that night

unvote darth
vote danny

[Darth Vilus]

For the record I really don't like how Chubby scanned without discussing it. And I'm really puzzled why he didn't scan me, my name has been coming up these last two days

[Darth Vilus]

Execute Danny

I think there's a better chance of him being a spawn than LSG

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

Execute Danny

I think there's a better chance of him being a spawn than LSG

Can you explain?

[Darth Vilus]

No, It's just what I think. He took over this role halfway through the game so it would be harder to catch a spawn that way. Numerous people have already said they thought LSG was playing like a villager compared to how she played in the past

[Danny]

Originally Posted by JAG

If no doctors are around, yes. I specifically asked BK in a PM and he told me that's how the game ended for Spawn II, a Spawn captain with no way to lynch them. That's why I made the statement about having expected to have been targeted if a Spawn was amongst the officers (after all the doctors were killed especially, since there would be no way to blow them up), but it's possible they weren't aware of this. I wasn't aware until I asked BK the night hoops and Julio were killed. The only reason I bring it up is because the cat is out of the bag with your question and I want people aware of it. I feel decently about Danny since he voted Britrock the past couple days, LSG would be the only officer I don't have a good feel for that's left.

The funny thing is, whether I am or not a spawn, I had no idea about this until Jag posted it just now lol.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

No, It's just what I think. He took over this role halfway through the game so it would be harder to catch a spawn that way. Numerous people have already said they thought LSG was playing like a villager compared to how she played in the past

Obviously if you're voting me, you probably won't believe me, but LSG is playing like she did as a wolf last game, not as she did as a villager two games ago. At least to me anyway.

[JAG]

I do have to think it's either Danny, LSG, or DV as last Spawn. If there was an unaware Spawn, they probably wouldn't have wanted to off the doctors before that spawn got scanned.

[Darth Vilus]

Then why havent you voted her before?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I don't think lsg is spawn as either she or her other spawn would have taken you out. If danny is spawn, he'd know the play is to lynch 1 (not going to be you with a scan) and nk the other that night

unvote darth
vote danny

I just don't buy this. If LSG is a spawn and killed Jag, we would be forced to lynch her just to protect ourselves. That would be a bad play.

You are correct on the second part, though as I said, I actually didn't even know that and I volunteered earlier today to be made a scientist or engineer.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Danny

Obviously if you're voting me, you probably won't believe me, but LSG is playing like she did as a wolf last game, not as she did as a villager two games ago. At least to me anyway.

I agree with this. Plus she is the only one of you two not to vote Britrock yesterday which is a mark against her.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

Then why havent you voted her before?

I've been too busy you know, voting other spawn. I am not 100% convinced on LSG, but she seemed like the most likely spawn today.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

He took over this role halfway through the game so it would be harder to catch a spawn that way. t

I don't see how you could honestly buy me as a starting spawn. Packer voted Simbo day 2. Then after I took over day 4 I voted Simbo and then I created the argument for Zinto and got him lynched.

[JAG]

Really, the only good vote LSG had was D4, and it was a decent vote, but Danny and DV voted Simbo that day also.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm not voting for Danny today. I remain unconvinced of the other two and I see good arguments for each, but Danny, nah.

[Abe Sargent]

There are two reasons why i see Danny as a convert:

1). PF was cleared early in the game by a doc. Nice conversion target.

2). Here is the list of spawn: dubb who was a convert, Zinto, Simbo, britrock - some or all of whom may have been starters. Now if that's your roster, and after dubb is found, don;t you want a convert with really good WW experience and play? dubb was a good choice for that reason, but he was found early. Wouldn't you want a hoops or Danny or Chief Rum for your team? Then add to the fact that Danny is playing PF who was scanned and cleared, and you have an interesting case to be made for conversion later.


But I don''t buy those enough for voting today.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Danny

I've been too busy you know, voting other spawn. I am not 100% convinced on LSG, but she seemed like the most likely spawn today.

Based on what? If you are going off of actions then dv is way more likely than lsg

[Danny]

I've been saying all game I didn't think darth was a wolf. Lsg has the worst voting record and she is pinging me as playing the same ad last game by nt being around much and seeming out of it. She was a wolf then

[Danny]

And you know what maybe it's a little guilt about last game when I voted darth and we lost because of it.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote DV

Danny has totally failed to convince me of LSG's spawn-ness right now.

[Chubby]

Vote count?

[JAG]

Abe, look at the D2 voting. LSG votes Simbo up to 6 and Zinto (known baddie) piles on with 7 a bit later. But later she moves off Simbo onto the eventual lynch mauboy. DV? He had no vote the whole day.

[Barkeep49]

Vote Count:

Votes Needed to lynch: 2

LSG 3 - CF (3605) Danny (3650) JAG (3668)
Danny 2 - Chubby (3703) DV (3705)
DV 1 - Abe (3722)

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

I wont be around today but i did put my action in

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

Going to supervise on warhouse 3

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

Good luck all!

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

The colony buzzes with some activity. DV and six slaves head over to convert Warehouse 3. Meanwhile, Autumn gathers his away team composed of himself Shiggles, Mauboy1, Britrock88 and a slave for a mining mission.

All of this is done under the now watchful eye of Chief Rum in the Security HQ.

DV had time to put in an action but not a vote when a Spawn was leading the vote tied with 2 with 2 others.

You can argue he could have been the mutation choice, but his behavior yesterday made him stand out like a sore thumb when he already had a good deal of suspicion on him.

[Chubby]

if abe were the last scientist, would he be able to use the spawn detector?

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Chubby

if abe were the last scientist, would he be able to use the spawn detector?

He can't be turned into a scientist. He would have to train himself into enlisted crew and then into a scientist...but if he's enlisted crew, he won't be a trainer anymore.

[Chubby]

He's listed and colored under scientists with me so I thought id ask.

[LoneStarGirl]

For self preservation

vote danny

And didn't I put one of the first votes on a spawn a few nights ago?

[LoneStarGirl]

And y'all saying that I didn't play much last game when I was a wolf, I had stomach surgery during that game, and I knew CF could handle it enough for both of us.

This game shouldn't be compared to that game.

[CrimsonFox]

okay danny is totally the wrong play here mostly for percentage reasons.

really don't like how DV jumped that quickly to danny.
Granted i don't like chubby's reasoning there.

i'm very surprised aagain that DV is giving no explanations for yesterday.
then again maybe i should stop being surprised about anything DV foes or doesn't do.

[CrimsonFox]

so did you have stomach problems this game too? We're saying that the type of posting you have done all game is similar to the frequency and types of posts you made last game.

[CrimsonFox]

jag can you do your vote count magic of all the days again so we can see the new analysis?

DV is the only one i'd switch to.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JAG

DV had time to put in an action but not a vote when a Spawn was leading the vote tied with 2 with 2 others.

You can argue he could have been the mutation choice, but his behavior yesterday made him stand out like a sore thumb when he already had a good deal of suspicion on him.

i really don't know why anyone is being secretive anymore when reveals will only help us. It seems like abe and chubby are spawn too really.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

There are two reasons why i see Danny as a convert:

1). PF was cleared early in the game by a doc. Nice conversion target.

2). Here is the list of spawn: dubb who was a convert, Zinto, Simbo, britrock - some or all of whom may have been starters. Now if that's your roster, and after dubb is found, don;t you want a convert with really good WW experience and play? dubb was a good choice for that reason, but he was found early. Wouldn't you want a hoops or Danny or Chief Rum for your team? Then add to the fact that Danny is playing PF who was scanned and cleared, and you have an interesting case to be made for conversion later.


But I don''t buy those enough for voting today.

1 is the only good reason.
for your 2 reason is the reason i wouldn't choose Danny as he is likely , VERY likely to be scanned or protected. And "he" was already lynched once so why would you want to choose him?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Based on what? If you are going off of actions then dv is way more likely than lsg

then why don't you vote for him?
And DV is actually just as likely really. Both have a chance of being spawn and both have acted in a way that suggests wolf.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

No, because of what you just said. We don't have any enlisted people, just specialists and officers, so I woul dhave to move someone such as an engineer to enlisted, such as specialist or medic, and then back over to scientist two days later.

just checking. is it worth trying to convert someone to a scientist even though it would take 2 days?

[CrimsonFox]

so darth you going to tell us about your vigilante thing? tell us what happened with that again please.

[CrimsonFox]

unvote lsg
vote DV

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Chubby

if abe were the last scientist, would he be able to use the spawn detector?

I'm not a scientist I'm a trainer, just like the medic is not a doctor, but a medic, and so forth

[CrimsonFox]

Day 2 Voting:

759: Chief Rum votes mauboy (1)
761: PackerFanatic votes Simbo Klice (1)
764: britrock88 votes Schmidty (1)
784: Simbo votes mauboy (2)
790: Autumn votes Simbo (2)
852: LSG votes Schmidty (2)
886: CrimsonFox votes Simbo (3)
894: mauboy votes Schmidty (3)
902: Julio votes Schmidty (4)
903: Chubby votes Simbo (4)
918: Abe votes mauboy (3)
923: saldana votes mauboy (4)
959: Zinto votes mauboy (5)
976: Danny votes Simbo (5)
989: LSG unvotes Schmidty (3), votes Simbo (6)
999: Julio unvotes Schmidty (2)
1003: Zinto unvotes mauboy, votes Simbo (7)
1011: dubb votes LSG (1)
1016: britrock88 unvotes Schmidty (1)
1027: Autumn unvotes Simbo (6), votes mauboy (5)
1034: JAG votes mauboy (6)
1046: Chubby unvotes Simbo (5), votes mauboy (7)
1050: LSG unvotes Simbo (4), votes mauboy (8)

mauboy 8 - chief (759) simbo (784) abe (918) saldana 923 autumn 1027 jag 1034 chubby (1046) Lonestar 1050
simbo 4 - packerfan (761) CrimsonFox (886) Danny 976 Zinto 1003
schmidty 1 - mauboy (894)
LSG 1 - dubb (1011)

Day 3 voting:

1249: CrimsonFox votes Schmidty (1)
1337: Autumn votes CrimsonFox (1)
1372: CrimsonFox unvotes Schmidty (0), votes hoopsguy (1)
1374: Julio votes hoopsguy (2)
1450: Danny1 votes Simbo (1)
1486: saldana votes dubb (1) <---- saldana mentions investigating dubb and finds he's a spawnling
1514: Abe votes dubb (2)
1520: Julio unvotes hoops (1)
1532: Chief Rum votes dubb (3)
1551: dubb votes Danny1 (1)
1561: Chief Rum unvotes dubb (2)
1624: Shiggles votes Danny (2)
1626: Autumn unvotes CrimsonFox (0), votes Julio (1)
1636: Chubby votes dubb (3)
1643: Chief Rum votes hoops (2)
1659: CrimsonFox unvotes hoops (1), votes dubb (4)
1665: Julio votes Dubb (5)
1694/1696: LSG votes dubb (6)
1697: Simbo votes dubb (7)
1701: hoops votes Julio (2)
1709: CrimsonFox unvotes dubb (6), votes LSG (1)
1725: LSG unvotes dubb (5), votes Julio (3)
1730: Julio unvotes dubb (4), votes Simbo (2)
1732: CrimsonFox unvotes LSG (0), votes hoops (2)
1735: dubb unvotes Danny1 (1), votes Julio (4)
1762: Zinto votes hoops (3)
1799: JAG votes Danny1 (2)
1802: LSG unvotes Julio (3), votes Danny1 (3)
1803: Autumn unvotes Julio (2), votes Danny1 (4)
1804: britrock votes Dann1y (5)
1810: Zinto unvotes hoops (2), votes dubb (5)
1814: dubb unvotes Julio (1), votes Danny1 (6)
1817: Zinto unvotes dubb (4), votes Danny1 (7)
1836: Julio unvotes Simbo (1), votes Danny1 (8)

Simbo 1 - Danny (1450)
Julio 1 - hoops (1701)
hoops 2 - CR (1643) CF (1732)
dubb 4 - saldana (1486) Abe (1514) Chubby (1636) Simbo (1697)
Danny1 8 - Shiggles (1624) JAG (1799) LSG (1802) Autumn (1803) brit (1804) dubb (1814) Zinto (1817) Julio (1836)

[Danny]

Those votes do not look good from lsg, they all look she was willIng to vote a dead in the water spawn but as soon as another candidate came up, she switched

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

then why don't you vote for him?
And DV is actually just as likely really. Both have a chance of being spawn and both have acted in a way that suggests wolf.

I did have my vote on him, I think LSG is the worst play possible here and am trying to avoid that

[Danny]

Has anyone been a spawn in a past game? What is te likelihood a spawn stays unevolved for 6 days?

[CrimsonFox]

Day 4 Voting:

2094: Julio Votes Hoops (1)
2096: Crimson votes Darth (1)
2134: Crimson unvotes Darth (0) votes Chubby (1)
2250: Simbo votes CrimsonFox (1)
2248: Abe votes Packer / Danny2 (1)
2252: Shiggles votes Zinto (1)
2295: Abe unvotes Packer / Danny2 (0)
2297: Abe votes Chubby (2)
2329: Chubby votes Julio (1)
2330: Chubby unvotes Julio (0) votes Crimson (2)
2336: Shiggles unvotes Zinto (0) votes Simbo (1)
2356: Julio votes Zinto (1)
2357: Saldana votes Chubby (3)
2358: LSG votes Simbo (2)
2361: Chief votes Simbo (3)
2380: Chubby unvotes CF (1) votes Zinto (2)
2413: Julio unvotes Zinto (1) votes Simbo (4)
2422: Brit votes Chubby (4)
2432: Chubby unvotes Zinto (0) votes Simbo (5)
2439: GE votes Simbo (6)
2440: Simbo unvotes CF (0) votes Chubby (5)
2443: Darth votes Simbo (7)
2445: Jag votes Simbo (8)

Simbo (8): Shiggles (2336), LSG (2358), Chief (2361), Julio (2413), Chubby (2432), GE (2439), Darth (2443), JAG (2445) (Hoops was in there somewhere too)

Chubby (5): Crimson (2134), Abe (2297), Saldana (2357), Brit (2422), Simbo (2440)

No vote: Zinto

Final Vote Count Day 6

Brit 2 - JAG (3357) Danny (3359)
Shiggles 8 - CF (3081) Julio (3096) Chubby (3155) DV (3203) brit (3391) LSG (3419) hoops (3428) GE (3428)
DV 2 - Shiggles (3101) Abe (3296)

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Danny

Has anyone been a spawn in a past game? What is te likelihood a spawn stays unevolved for 6 days?

I was I believe. Not likely IMO

[Danny]

If Brit was not the 3rd starting spawn then it has to be lsg or darth, thigh Brit is an odd mutation choice

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I was I believe. Not likely IMO

really looking at voting there is no way danny is a spawn.

And if you really think that the the last spawn is an original then it can't be danny. He was already cleared.

[CrimsonFox]

Green = good, red = bad, blue = smurf