WW CXLIX SPAWN IV - GAME OVER (Post 3845)

[CrimsonFox]

Sweet. 5 of us on.

[CrimsonFox]

I wondered about the whole tie thing. Yeah I agree BK In running games ties are so hard to handle.

[CrimsonFox]

sorry abe but i coulkdn't wait and didn't know if you'd be back.

[CrimsonFox]

I did think making me enlisted was a reasonable idea . Actually doesn't it just take an ABE action and NOT a CF action?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I wondered about the whole tie thing. Yeah I agree BK In running games ties are so hard to handle.

I always have clear tie breaking mechanics in place. I'm just not a fan of revealing them to the players before the game.

[Barkeep49]

DV orders himself and DV to do some repairing in the Crew Quarters.

[CrimsonFox]

So do we want to go darth or switch to lsg? i knoiw chubby won't but throwing that out there. if we think either danny or lsg is spawn we probably should avoid either. but i really can't see danny over the other two

[JAG]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I did think making me enlisted was a reasonable idea . Actually doesn't it just take an ABE action and NOT a CF action?

No, you have to have an AP available.

[Barkeep49]

Time check?

[Barkeep49]

With little work to do it gives people plenty of time to talk and discuss who is and is not a Spawn. Nearly everyone’s name is thrown out during the course of the day as a potential Spawn, but the discussion centers around three people. In the end the discussion concludes with a plurality deciding that DV is the most likely Spawn. As you have so many times before you start to approach him when a voice calls out.

”STOP!” JAG says with all of his well earned command behind it. “That is not the direction we will go tonight. Instead we need to know about LSG.”

Once your Captain says it there is little further argument. LSG soon is no more than bits of body. A very SURVIVOR body.

Final Vote Count:
LSG 1 - JAG (3668)
Danny 2 - DV (3705) LSG (3730)
DV 4 - Abe (3722) CF (3740) Chubby (3788) Danny (3798)

Warehouse 1 Inaccessible
Warehouse 2 Inaccessible
Warehouse 3 Inaccessible

Officers’ Offices Damaged but Operational; 1 cycle to repair
Crew Quarters Damaged; 6 sleeping berths; 14 cycles to repair

Power Facility Fully Operational

Water Plant Fully Operational

Scientists’ Lab Fully Operational
Spawn Scanning CrimsonFox and JAG; no Spawn Detected
2 Engineer equivalent tools present


The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - JAG Exhausted
First Officer - Danny

Engineer
Crimson Exhausted
Darth Vilus


Scientists
Chubby Exhausted
Trainer - Abe Sargent Exhausted

Deceased
mauboy - Lynched Day 2 SURVIVOR
Danny- Lynched Day 3 SURVIVOR
Autumn Killed Night 3 SURVIVOR
dubb Killed Night 3 SPAWN
Simbo Klice Lynched Day 4 SCRYING SPAWN
Zinto Lynched Day 5 SPAWN QUEEN
saldana Killed Night 5 SURVIVOR
Chief Rum Killed Night 5 SURVIVOR
Shiggles Lynched Day 6 SURVIVOR
Julio Riddols Killed Night 6 SURVIVOR
hoopsguy Killed Night 6 SURVIVOR
britrock Lynched Day 7 SPAWN
Golden Eagle Killed Night 7 SURVIVOR
LoneStarGirl Lynched Day 8 SURVIVOR

Night 8 has begun. All players have the option of submitting a PM to mutiny against JAG

[Abe Sargent]

HMPF!!!

[JAG]

Bummer.

[Danny]

Wow, that sucks.

[GoldenEagle]

[CrimsonFox]

awww Jag, that wasn't a bad move really. That kinda sucks.

[JAG]

As I said, I thought it was the safest lynch.

[JAG]

Unfortunately it was also wrong.

[CrimsonFox]

I think the fact that I really suspected her and wanted to vote her made her obviously a survivor. I've been wrong about everything.

[Danny]

Lol, you were wth me I zinto so that's something

[britrock88]

Now, this is far too quiet a night after the duke makes a move!

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by JAG

Unfortunately it was also wrong.

Of course it was wrong. Let's not vote based on actions but for meta reasons (oh she's playing like she did that game she was a wolf). Just a bunch of brilliant decisions this game...

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Of course it was wrong. Let's not vote based on actions but for meta reasons (oh she's playing like she did that game she was a wolf). Just a bunch of brilliant decisions this game...

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. If you are basing it on actions, I have done far more to help the village than LSG did. It sucks it turned out wrong, but that doesn't mean it was a bad play. We still have a little time to get it right as well.

[Danny]

And it wasn't for meta reasons. It was for gut read based on peoples typical play style and for her votes, which did not look good. There's nothing meta game about that.

[CrimsonFox]

It is very silly everyone tossing around the phrase "meta reasons". This whole game is meta. Almost everything you do or read in this game is "meta reasons". Trying to figure out who is lying. HOw do you do that if you don't try and tell who sounds different than they usually do?

Sheesh.

[CrimsonFox]

And I'm not just sightin you Chubby. Others have used the phrase this game and others and then turned around and used their own "eta" logic to say "I think this person is a wolf".

[CrimsonFox]

I think it was less about people making bad decisions and more about a LOT of people acting secretive or simply checking out this game and seeming guilty.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Danny

And it wasn't for meta reasons. It was for gut read based on peoples typical play style and for her votes, which did not look good. There's nothing meta game about that.

if you're basing it on things outside the game you are playing, it's a meta reason.

hey, you know what doesn't look good:
disappearing the whole game
no getting votes in
ominous "you'll be sorry" posts
not doing any work
doing work which hurts the village when they weren't told to do
claiming a 2nd vigilante role
"attacking" someone who wasn't really the main focus of being a wolf til after the attack

do you want me to continue?

I mean, sure, "she played like she did as a wolf 6 months ago" is a much better reason and NOT meta

and people wonder why I didn't wait for discussion on the tools...

[Danny]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

It is very silly everyone tossing around the phrase "meta reasons". This whole game is meta. Almost everything you do or read in this game is "meta reasons". Trying to figure out who is lying. HOw do you do that if you don't try and tell who sounds different than they usually do?

Sheesh.

While I used different words trying to say it wasn't meta, in principle we agree. That's how the game is played.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

And I'm not just sightin you Chubby. Others have used the phrase this game and others and then turned around and used their own "eta" logic to say "I think this person is a wolf".

i'm not using meta logic, i'm basing it off of stuff he's done in game.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chubby

if you're basing it on things outside the game you are playing, it's a meta reason.

hey, you know what doesn't look good:
disappearing the whole game
no getting votes in
ominous "you'll be sorry" posts
not doing any work
doing work which hurts the village when they weren't told to do
claiming a 2nd vigilante role
"attacking" someone who wasn't really the main focus of being a wolf til after the attack

do you want me to continue?

I mean, sure, "she played like she did as a wolf 6 months ago" is a much better reason and NOT meta

and people wonder why I didn't wait for discussion on the tools...

Did you even look at the voting analysis? LSG did not have good votes. In fact, even knowing now she is not a wolf, I would say her votes still look bad and are typical wolf play. It wasn't just gut feel, but even if it was, that is part of werewolf.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

Lol, you were wth me I zinto so that's something

yeah for the same reason that zinto seemed suspicious ended up being the same reason that LSG seemed suspicious to me actually. But that's why I try and factor in the "okay this person is acting odd. Is it for mistakes or RL or something that isn't about being a wolf?"

OFten those things are very hard to disect if the person doesn't give you much but I guess you just have to look for instances where they can clear themselves and other instances where people damn themselves.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Chubby

i'm not using meta logic, i'm basing it off of stuff he's done in game.

yup and I've done that before and have been absolutely wrong too. I'm not saying DV didn't look guilty. I'm saying multiple people did. I do really think as a whole the village is second guessing themselves a little too much and/or trying to work 2 moves ahead instead of just the move in front of them. And that's not just this game, that's been really all year.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Danny

Did you even look at the voting analysis? LSG did not have good votes. In fact, even knowing now she is not a wolf, I would say her votes still look bad and are typical wolf play. It wasn't just gut feel, but even if it was, that is part of werewolf.

yes I did, and I made the right call now didn't I

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

yup and I've done that before and have been absolutely wrong too. I'm not saying DV didn't look guilty. I'm saying multiple people did. I do really think as a whole the village is second guessing themselves a little too much and/or trying to work 2 moves ahead instead of just the move in front of them. And that's not just this game, that's been really all year.

yup, people want to look like a giant werewolf genius sometimes instead of just trying to win the game

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chubby

yes I did, and I made the right call now didn't I

Yeah and you were basing it off gut as I certainly didn't see you post much of any evidence for her not being a spawn

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Chubby

yes I did, and I made the right call now didn't I

you did? you were on Danny pretty much all day and wouldn't move.
If you thought it was DV then you should have went there. YOu staying on Danny does not speak of being confident about that.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

you did? you were on Danny pretty much all day and wouldn't move.
If you thought it was DV then you should have went there. YOu staying on Danny does not speak of being confident about that.

which I did, ya know, like the last 3 days and nobody else would vote for her so I went to my 2nd option until it was late enough that I could switch back and not have a giant mass of people switch votes at the last second.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Danny

Yeah and you were basing it off gut as I certainly didn't see you post much of any evidence for her not being a spawn

feel free to post your ironclad evidence that she is spawn knowing that she isn't spawn

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

Yeah and you were basing it off gut as I certainly didn't see you post much of any evidence for her not being a spawn

yeah that was my thing. I just wanted discussion about it. Which of the 2 seemed guilty and innocent. You demanded DV but I never did see you give any analysis aobut LSG except saying "I don't think it's LSG". That's not anything.

I heard your analysis on Danny was that he was alive and therefore must be a wolf. That is very very circumstantial unless you were just setting some kind of test or trap in thread.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Danny

And you know what maybe it's a little guilt about last game when I voted darth and we lost because of it.

this is exactly what we should be basing our votes on...

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Chubby

which I did, ya know, like the last 3 days and nobody else would vote for her so I went to my 2nd option until it was late enough that I could switch back and not have a giant mass of people switch votes at the last second.

well at least you were thinking about it. The vibe you were giving off today told me you absolutely stubbornly not moving off of Danny. I kept telling you and even showing you that I would move and make it DV which I did. KNowing Danny had said that he was voting LSG "for now" made me think that yes there would be some good discussion about the two of them late in the day. But there really was not. And the fact that both of them were on Danny was just weird. LSG saying "voting for self preservation" was just so screaming wolf actually. It's a bit late to give reasons like that. Because you should be voting for who you think is a wolf and build your case. If she'd have gone DV, that would have made it easier I think.

[CrimsonFox]

And actually once you moved to DV and I was there, then Danny went to make sure no funny business. If you'd have done that to begin with there would have been no big mystery or problem. Granted Jag still might have done what he did.

Actually I blame myself. I should never have brought up LSG. But she really pinged me and I tried seeing if others were feeling the same thing. I should have just did what I did the day before and said nothing and just followed the pack and let you win the game cause I have been blowing it.

[CrimsonFox]

and heck you could have yelled at us for being stupid about voting LSG and tell us why and repoint to the DV crap the day before and all the other things. Everyone has such ADD here we flit from idea to idea and leave other things behind. That and the whole working too far ahead.

[Chubby]

Somebody needs to bust out the "dv fixed beds he MUST be good" logic that I'm sure is coming based on the awesome villagve play this game...

[Barkeep49]

The night activity is minimal. When you wake in the morning you find JAG dead and your new captain ready to assume command.

“There will be some changes around here with me in-charge,” Danny announces. “Starting with the fact that we’re going to turn that Spawn Detector off. No need for that thing now that we’re safely off the planet.”

Off it goes. And day by day the bodies pile up until the only one that is left is your new Captain, the Unaware Spawn.

GAME OVER. SPAWN WIN!

Thanks everyone for playing. I hope you enjoyed it. I know that at various points both sides felt like they couldn’t possibly win. I’m not sure if that’s the sign of a good game or a bad one, but I hope it’s the sign of a good one as a little bit of fear and uncertainty seems to be part of the WW formula.

[JAG]

Good work Danny.

[Chief Rum]

So if a Spawn becomes captain, the Spawn win?

[Barkeep49]

Since there was no Vigilante left in the game it became impossible to kill the Captain (no First Officer to lead the mutiny).

[britrock88]

Woo! Way to finish it, Danny.

BTW, did the crew actually mutiny, or was that a successful NK?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Woo! Way to finish it, Danny.

BTW, did the crew actually mutiny, or was that a successful NK?

Successful night kill. No one mutinied.