2012 MLB Thread (Cabrera Gets Triple Crown, first since Yaz 1967) - Page 79

cuervo72 · 10-02-2012, 10:46 AM

Also this:

"Citizens Bank Park has room for more than 1,000 standing room tickets, which don't count towards the stadium's official capacity."

So for a true sellout, it would be natural that they would be over 100% capacity.

Vince, Pt. II · 10-02-2012, 11:28 AM

AT&T has the RF Arcade for standing room only as well - its where I watched game 1 of the 2010 World Series. The Giants inflate their ticket sales as well, but since 2010 they haven't really had to fudge it very much at all. Support for the team has been insanely high since then.

spleen1015 · 10-02-2012, 11:36 AM

SI, it is BAL in, not BOS.

You POS.

sterlingice · 10-02-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

SI, it is BAL in, not BOS.

You POS.

Ew, corrected

SI

cartman · 10-02-2012, 11:42 AM

The question is: Are those attendance figures from the turnstile count, or an estimate. Because, you know, there could have been people drinking on the concourse.

cartman · 10-02-2012, 11:45 AM

Dola,

On those numbers, Jon, what is the final percentage that is in the parens? It shows the Rangers -15%, but they had their first season over 3 million fans this year.

stevew · 10-02-2012, 12:58 PM

Yankees prospect Manny Banuelos needs tommy john. Explains a lot of his regression as a prospect this year. He's still very young(21) and hopefully can round back into form. Believed by many to be a potential top of the rotation type arm if his control improves.

MizzouRah · 10-02-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

So Albert Pujols...perhaps you should have stayed with the Cards after all?

After making what he makes.. doubt he cares.

Crapshoot · 10-02-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

AT&T has the RF Arcade for standing room only as well - its where I watched game 1 of the 2010 World Series. The Giants inflate their ticket sales as well, but since 2010 they haven't really had to fudge it very much at all. Support for the team has been insanely high since then.

Before that even (I'd say 2008 / 2009), but yeah - World Series tickers are in the "thousands" of dollars range if you want a block of 4 - single tickets were 700-800 bucks even. The Giants own San Francisco currently (The 10 year Niners dud period helped), but the two major franchises (Giants + Niners) play well together. The standing room only is always full.

Vince, Pt. II · 10-02-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Before that even (I'd say 2008 / 2009), but yeah - World Series tickers are in the "thousands" of dollars range if you want a block of 4 - single tickets were 700-800 bucks even. The Giants own San Francisco currently (The 10 year Niners dud period helped), but the two major franchises (Giants + Niners) play well together. The standing room only is always full.

It cost me $500 a pop for the standing room only tickets. Still the best money I've ever spent.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-02-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Dola,

On those numbers, Jon, what is the final percentage that is in the parens? It shows the Rangers -15%, but they had their first season over 3 million fans this year.

Ah crap. I thought I had every one of them fixed (I did 3 or 4 backwards as I was typing them), sorry about that.
edit: screw it, easier just to erase all the %'s and if anybody gives a shit they can do the math themselves.

spleen1015 · 10-02-2012, 06:05 PM

O's game on MLB.tv

Yankees' game on MLB Network.

Let's go O's!!

stevew · 10-02-2012, 08:00 PM

I dunno if anyone was following the Adam Greenberg story. He got his AB tonight.

Spoiler

bhlloy · 10-02-2012, 08:43 PM

I wonder if ever in the game of baseball a pitcher has been trying so hard not to let one get away from him with nobody on base.

It would have been absolutely hilarious in a sick kind of way if Dickey had drilled him with a knuckler. Even Ozzie would have to leave him if that happened

Jas_lov · 10-02-2012, 10:35 PM

I like how there's 14 teams in the AL, the Tigers have the 7th best record in the AL and they're the only ones sitting pretty right now. And they get to host Games 1 and 2.

Anyway, Yanks come back to win 4-3 thanks to Raul Ibanez. Os win 1-0 despite getting just 2 hits and striking out 15 times vs Shields. Rangers currently up 1-0. If Oakland wins we'll have a hell of a game tomorrow for AL West crown. It's amazing how there's such a fine line for these teams. They could be #1 with HFA or #5 playing a one game WC on the road and it all might come down to tomorrow.

stevew · 10-02-2012, 10:52 PM

How about how the 2nd best team in the AL randomly gets to fly any number of places after the WC game so they can play that night. The Rangers could end up going to Oakland, Baltimore or New York. This wildcard blows.

Buccaneer · 10-02-2012, 10:57 PM

How about the AL team with the best record go play the NL team with the best record in an early October World Series?

molson · 10-02-2012, 11:10 PM

Eh, the only real "fair" way to do it would be 1 league, 1 division, everyone plays each other an equal number of times and then the team with the best record at the end is the champion. Everything beyond that is for fun anyway.

Jas_lov · 10-02-2012, 11:27 PM

The WC team with the best record should be the defacto winner of the AL Central. Since the Tigers have a worse record than both WC teams they should have to play the 2nd WC team in the one game WC and the Tigers would be on the road for that game. If the Tigers were to win the one game WC they would start on the ROAD in the ALDS, not at home. I don't know why Bud did that stupid 2-3 format to save one travel day.

Crapshoot · 10-03-2012, 12:25 AM

So how many Cardinals fans are Giants fans right now? Bottom of 9th, Dodgers trailing 4-3, man on 1st, no outs.

Crapshoot · 10-03-2012, 12:40 AM

WOO HOO! GIANTS KNOCK THE DODGERS OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS!

Arles · 10-03-2012, 12:43 AM

Congrats to the Cards for making the postseason!

And a thank you to the Giants as well

Crapshoot · 10-03-2012, 02:21 AM

Arles, it is a moment for which the Giants are always glad to provide help in. The thread at McCoveyChronicles was titled "Eliminate." Winning is awesome - beating the Dodgers and crushing their dreams? Extra bonus.

lordscarlet · 10-03-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

Just attempting to defend the brand. The original comment implied that a) the team sucks (they're now two over, not great but not horrid) and b) the fans suck (gee, SURPRISE that they don't show up).

The comparisons were intending to show that even though Phillies fans may not have made it to more recent series against the Nats...well, the Nats fans haven't exactly either. The team won the division and attendance still regularly dips below 30k (though yes, in general it has risen). The sucky team with the sucky fans up 95 meanwhile still pull 40k+. Unless that number was boosted by road-tripping Nats fans.

Hah. So I'm all upset that you blew my comments out of proportion and think I'm being a dick. Instead, you read it completely wrong and think I'm making a different statement than I really was.

(not that my original statement didn't have dick-ish-ness to it)

For clarification it was: Phillies fans talk about how they wouldn't take over Nationals Park if they could sell their own tickets. Included that is either stated or implied that it is because the team sucks. That is the constant montra of a Phillies fan to a Nationals fan (in my limited viewpoint). However, in 2006 at home, and now in 2012 in DC, the Phillies fans don't show up when the team isn't doing well. It was more of an attempt to tell "those" Philly fans to take a look in the mirror before they start throwing out insults about an 8 year old team's attendance when their team, historically, has not drawn well during losing stretches. (also from my viewpoint, as evidenced by the follow-up comments that went straight to DC's home non-Philly game attendance)

lordscarlet · 10-03-2012, 07:30 AM

Great game 162 today. Two divisions undecided. Both top seeds undecided. Should be fun today.

Thomkal · 10-03-2012, 07:40 AM

Woohoo Cardinals!

sterlingice · 10-03-2012, 07:41 AM

I'm overtly rooting for Cabrera to win the Triple Crown because it will be neat to see. It's something that's never happened in my lifetime so I'd like to see it. Cabrera's a good player so it wouldn't be some fluke like Brady Anderson winning it. Yes, it's about hitting for power (fairly static), hitting for average (highly variable), and RBIzz (team dependent) but it's still a neat relic that can tie today to an older age of baseball.

Also, I'm secretly hoping for Cabrera to get the Triple Crown to see the sabermetric meltdown when he gets the MVP. Let's be honest: the MVP has never been defined in any sport and that muddies the water a lot. We've had a lot of times when it's the "best player in the league". We've had quite a few times when it's the best player on the worst team because without that player, the team wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs. Typically, it's a combination of the two. Then there's all sorts of nonsense where having a good teammate makes it harder because you'll "split the vote". Or you have circumstances like this season where you have a player who played the entire season versus only part of the season and the funny thing about that is both sides use that argument to try and bolster their guy's side: my guy played less so imagine if he had played a whole season vs our guy was more valuable because he played a whole season. Like the Cy Young, it's a nebulous award and always has been and, I suspect, always will be. I'm pretty sure it won't turn into the league WAR leader any time soon.

SI

sterlingice · 10-03-2012, 07:42 AM

Is there a BABIP-neutral "overall" hitting stat out there?

SI

spleen1015 · 10-03-2012, 07:57 AM

If Cabrera wins the Triple Crown, he is going to win the MVP. I think Trout deserves to be the MVP. He is the better all around player and deserves it. Had he played in the majors in April, I don't think there would even be a question.

MrBug708 · 10-03-2012, 08:09 AM

And the Giants best moment of the year happened

cuervo72 · 10-03-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Hah. So I'm all upset that you blew my comments out of proportion and think I'm being a dick. Instead, you read it completely wrong and think I'm making a different statement than I really was.

(not that my original statement didn't have dick-ish-ness to it)

Actually, the word I used to your brother was "uppity", not "dickish."

Quote:

For clarification it was: Phillies fans talk about how they wouldn't take over Nationals Park if they could sell their own tickets. Included that is either stated or implied that it is because the team sucks. That is the constant montra of a Phillies fan to a Nationals fan (in my limited viewpoint). However, in 2006 at home, and now in 2012 in DC, the Phillies fans don't show up when the team isn't doing well. It was more of an attempt to tell "those" Philly fans to take a look in the mirror before they start throwing out insults about an 8 year old team's attendance when their team, historically, has not drawn well during losing stretches. (also from my viewpoint, as evidenced by the follow-up comments that went straight to DC's home non-Philly game attendance)

I will certainly concede that - there have been stretches where the Phillies haven't drawn well (let's be honest - there have been a LOT of losing stretches in the Phillies' history.) And I didn't see the view first-hand at the park. What I have to rely on is the local media, and they seemed to be the most bent out of shape that "WELL. I can't believe these Phillies fans just think they can walk on in here!" Yes, they can and have every right to as long as tickets are available and they have the will to travel (and some of these mind you don't need to be from Philly. They can also be from Lancaster, or Harrisburg, or Gettysburg...)

What was kicked around in the lounge is the idea that while fan interest in DC is growing, some of us expected it to grow faster than it has. This team was in a divisional race - why aren't games selling out? Is it because they were able to coast and had a wild card birth wrapped up? Is it a function of weeknight games (a tough sell in all but a handful of markets)? Football season?

The other thing that struck me about the franchise is just how poor of a bump the stadium gave the team. Either due to poor planning (building it when they still stunk) or due to other factors (location? parking? lack of surrounding attractions?), there wasn't that boom that other teams have seen.

Crapshoot · 10-03-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

And the Giants best moment of the year happened

Agent Ned's contract extension was pretty good as well.

Chief Rum · 10-03-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

And the Giants best moment of the year happened

Hmm... I know you're referring to the Dodgers being eliminated (and by the Giants no less), but considering the Giants are in the playoffs, I have to think their best moment could still be to come, ane even if it didn't (like they got swept in the playoffs), then the best moment would probably be when they clinched the division.

Chief Rum · 10-03-2012, 10:58 AM

I was going to say something about how meaningless those games would be without the second wild card when I noted that BAL-NYY and TEX-OAK are all within one game of one another, so the one wild card under of the old system would have been as hotly contested as the divisional matchups. So I guess today would have been fun under the old system, too.

That said, there is the added value that comes now with being a division winner and not having to play in the wild card game. That is a tremendous reward for winning the division. And the losers will be keeping an eye on the other matchup as well, since they could either host the wild card game or have to travel for it.

Chief Rum · 10-03-2012, 11:18 AM

Hmm, there are three games that matter; TEX @ OAK, BOS @ NYY and BAL @ TB. TEX and OAK are tied at 93-68 atop the AL West and the Yankees are up 1 (94-67 to 93-68 for BAL) in the AL East.

So there are eight possible scenarios, if I have it right.

#1: NYY, BAL, TEX wins

Yankees win AL East and have home field throughout AL playoffs.
Texas wins AL West.
BAL gets first WC and will host OAK in WC game.

#2: NYY, BAL, OAK wins

Yankees win AL East and have home field throughout playoffs.
Oakland wins AL West.
BAL gets first WC and will host TEX in WC game.

#3: NYY wins, BAL loses, TEX wins

Yankees win AL East and have home field throughout playoffs.
Texas wins AL West.
Host of WC game between BAL and OAK determined by tiebreakers (HvH first criterion)

#4: NYY wins, BAL loses, OAK wins

Yankees win AL East and have home field throughout playoffs.
Oakland wins AL West.
Host of WC game between BAL and TEX determined by tiebreakers (HvH first criterion)

#5: NYY loses, BAL wins, TEX wins

NYY and BAL play an extra one game for division champ. I believe the winner actually gets home field throughout playoffs.
Texas wins AL West.
Loser of NYY-BAL extra game hosts OAK.

#6: NYY loses, BAL wins, OAK wins

NYY and BAL play an extra one game for division champ. I believe the winner actually gets home field throughout playoffs.
Oakland wins AL West.
Loser of NYY-BAL extra game hosts TEX.

#7: NYY loses, BAL loses, TEX wins

Yankees win AL East.
Texas wins AL West.
Home field throughout playoffs is determined by TEX and NYY tiebreakers (HvH first criterion).
Host of WC game between BAL and OAK determined by tiebreakers (HvH first criterion)

#8: NYY loses, BAL loses, OAK wins

Yankees win AL East.
Oakland wins AL West.
Home field throughout playoffs is determined by OAK and NYY tiebreakers (HvH first criterion).
Host of WC game between BAL and TEX determined by tiebreakers (HvH first criterion)

molson · 10-03-2012, 11:25 AM

It might be kind of fun if the Orioles/Yankees play a division tiebreaker, and then play again in the divisional round or ALCS. That's the kind of thing that can start rivalries if the games have some drama to them.

AENeuman · 10-03-2012, 12:01 PM

Winner of the 2012 INMIYA (It's-Not-Me-It's-You Award):

Barry Zito 4.15 ERA 2010: 3.61 run support, 9-14, off playoff roster

Barry Zito 4.15 ERA 2012, 4.76 run support, 15-8, playoff bound

Sun Tzu · 10-03-2012, 12:18 PM

My mother-in-law and my wife were selected for the public pre-sale of NLCS tickets. I picked up four (the max) tickets total. By 10:01 the best seats available were 32nd row bleacher seats, and by 10:06 it was SRO.

Whew!

ISiddiqui · 10-03-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman

Winner of the 2012 INMIYA (It's-Not-Me-It's-You Award):

Barry Zito 4.15 ERA 2010: 3.61 run support, 9-14, off playoff roster

Barry Zito 4.15 ERA 2012, 4.76 run support, 15-8, playoff bound

Interesting thing is that because the league ERA is less this season, Zito's ERA+ is worse this season (it was 94 in 2010 and 84 this season).

stevew · 10-03-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

It might be kind of fun if the Orioles/Yankees play a division tiebreaker, and then play again in the divisional round or ALCS. That's the kind of thing that can start rivalries if the games have some drama to them.

Like if 110 years of playing in the same division won't work enough for a rivalry?

Sun Tzu · 10-03-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Interesting thing is that because the league ERA is less this season, Zito's ERA+ is worse this season (it was 94 in 2010 and 84 this season).

Zito is typically good for 6 innings and 2-3 runs. Sometimes he'll do better, and sometimes he'll do worse. All season long he's been much better than Lincecum, and often times he's been better than Vogey. Zito is undoubtedly among the top 4 starters on the team, and thus deserves a spot in the rotation.

stevew · 10-03-2012, 01:05 PM

I still can't believe how effective Dickey's knuckleball has been as a strikeout pitch this year. It will be interesting to see if he can pitch into his mid 40s.

LloydLungs · 10-03-2012, 01:05 PM

Lost in the day 162 excitement, this bit of outstanding news:

Baseball Fans Should Rejoice as MLB, Fox Partially Lift Blackouts

The obnoxious Fox Saturday blackouts for MLB Extra Innings/MLB.TV subscribers are gone -- as of 2014, anyway.

Now, to get to work on the even more obnoxious territorial-rights-related blackouts...

Crapshoot · 10-03-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman

Winner of the 2012 INMIYA (It's-Not-Me-It's-You Award):

Barry Zito 4.15 ERA 2010: 3.61 run support, 9-14, off playoff roster

Barry Zito 4.15 ERA 2012, 4.76 run support, 15-8, playoff bound

BUT WINS ARE IMPORTANT CLUTCH YADA YADA! THat's Bruce Bochy's logic in a nutshell.

Crapshoot · 10-03-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

My mother-in-law and my wife were selected for the public pre-sale of NLCS tickets. I picked up four (the max) tickets total. By 10:01 the best seats available were 32nd row bleacher seats, and by 10:06 it was SRO.

Whew!

Lucky bastard - I didn't make the cut.

Crapshoot · 10-03-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Zito is typically good for 6 innings and 2-3 runs. Sometimes he'll do better, and sometimes he'll do worse. All season long he's been much better than Lincecum, and often times he's been better than Vogey. Zito is undoubtedly among the top 4 starters on the team, and thus deserves a spot in the rotation.

Nope. I'd much rather go with Lincecum or Vogelsong. The latter has been better, and Zito will get killed by a team like the reds. He's the 5th starter on this team - 70 BB / 114K / 184 IP is not a good pitcher, no matter how many shiny wins he has. He's 5th amongst the starters in XFIP and FIP; his luck on BIP doesn't change the fact that he's pretty clearly the worst of the starters.

cuervo72 · 10-03-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Like if 110 years of playing in the same division won't work enough for a rivalry?

/checks Orioles' born-on date

//gets the point anyway

stevew · 10-03-2012, 01:22 PM

The orioles are the Browns, right?

Sun Tzu · 10-03-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Nope. I'd much rather go with Lincecum or Vogelsong. The latter has been better, and Zito will get killed by a team like the reds. He's the 5th starter on this team - 70 BB / 114K / 184 IP is not a good pitcher, no matter how many shiny wins he has. He's 5th amongst the starters in XFIP and FIP; his luck on BIP doesn't change the fact that he's pretty clearly the worst of the starters.

Considering Lincecum has been the worst pitcher in the majors this year...I disagree. Give Zito the pearl at AT&T Park and you give yourself a fighting chance. Throw Lincecum out there and you could be down 5-0 before the 3rd inning is over.

Of course I wish I were wrong, because when Lincecum is on, he's one of the best in the bigs.

Crapshoot · 10-03-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Considering Lincecum has been the worst pitcher in the majors this year...I disagree. Give Zito the pearl at AT&T Park and you give yourself a fighting chance. Throw Lincecum out there and you could be down 5-0 before the 3rd inning is over.

Of course I wish I were wrong, because when Lincecum is on, he's one of the best in the bigs.

That's simply not true. ERA is a superficial metric.

Here's three stat lines:

IP / K / BB / BABIP

186 / 190 / 90 / .309
184 / 114 / 70 / .281
184 / 151 / 61 / .285

Anyone who looks at those lines and thinks pitcher no 2 (Lincecum is 1, Vogelsong is 3) is the best option is smoking something. Zito is the 5th starter, and the fact that our manager thinks otherwise says more about him. There is no universe in which Zito is a better pitcher.

10-02-2012, 10:46 AM	#3901
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Also this: "Citizens Bank Park has room for more than 1,000 standing room tickets, which don't count towards the stadium's official capacity." So for a true sellout, it would be natural that they would be over 100% capacity. __________________ null

10-02-2012, 11:36 AM	#3903
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	SI, it is BAL in, not BOS. You POS. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

10-02-2012, 11:42 AM	#3905
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	The question is: Are those attendance figures from the turnstile count, or an estimate. Because, you know, there could have been people drinking on the concourse. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

10-02-2012, 11:45 AM	#3906
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Dola, On those numbers, Jon, what is the final percentage that is in the parens? It shows the Rangers -15%, but they had their first season over 3 million fans this year. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

10-02-2012, 06:05 PM	#3912
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	O's game on MLB.tv Yankees' game on MLB Network. Let's go O's!! __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option? Last edited by spleen1015 : 10-02-2012 at 06:05 PM.

10-02-2012, 11:28 AM	#3902
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	AT&T has the RF Arcade for standing room only as well - its where I watched game 1 of the 2010 World Series. The Giants inflate their ticket sales as well, but since 2010 they haven't really had to fudge it very much at all. Support for the team has been insanely high since then.

10-02-2012, 12:58 PM	#3907
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Yankees prospect Manny Banuelos needs tommy john. Explains a lot of his regression as a prospect this year. He's still very young(21) and hopefully can round back into form. Believed by many to be a potential top of the rotation type arm if his control improves.

10-02-2012, 08:00 PM	#3913
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I dunno if anyone was following the Adam Greenberg story. He got his AB tonight. Spoiler He Struck out

10-02-2012, 08:43 PM	#3914
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I wonder if ever in the game of baseball a pitcher has been trying so hard not to let one get away from him with nobody on base. It would have been absolutely hilarious in a sick kind of way if Dickey had drilled him with a knuckler. Even Ozzie would have to leave him if that happened

10-02-2012, 10:35 PM	#3915
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I like how there's 14 teams in the AL, the Tigers have the 7th best record in the AL and they're the only ones sitting pretty right now. And they get to host Games 1 and 2. Anyway, Yanks come back to win 4-3 thanks to Raul Ibanez. Os win 1-0 despite getting just 2 hits and striking out 15 times vs Shields. Rangers currently up 1-0. If Oakland wins we'll have a hell of a game tomorrow for AL West crown. It's amazing how there's such a fine line for these teams. They could be #1 with HFA or #5 playing a one game WC on the road and it all might come down to tomorrow.

10-02-2012, 10:52 PM	#3916
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	How about how the 2nd best team in the AL randomly gets to fly any number of places after the WC game so they can play that night. The Rangers could end up going to Oakland, Baltimore or New York. This wildcard blows.

10-02-2012, 10:57 PM	#3917
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	How about the AL team with the best record go play the NL team with the best record in an early October World Series?

10-02-2012, 11:10 PM	#3918
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Eh, the only real "fair" way to do it would be 1 league, 1 division, everyone plays each other an equal number of times and then the team with the best record at the end is the champion. Everything beyond that is for fun anyway. Last edited by molson : 10-02-2012 at 11:10 PM.

10-02-2012, 11:27 PM	#3919
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	The WC team with the best record should be the defacto winner of the AL Central. Since the Tigers have a worse record than both WC teams they should have to play the 2nd WC team in the one game WC and the Tigers would be on the road for that game. If the Tigers were to win the one game WC they would start on the ROAD in the ALDS, not at home. I don't know why Bud did that stupid 2-3 format to save one travel day. Last edited by Jas_lov : 10-02-2012 at 11:28 PM.

10-03-2012, 12:25 AM	#3920
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	So how many Cardinals fans are Giants fans right now? Bottom of 9th, Dodgers trailing 4-3, man on 1st, no outs.

10-03-2012, 12:40 AM	#3921
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	WOO HOO! GIANTS KNOCK THE DODGERS OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS!

10-03-2012, 12:43 AM	#3922
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Congrats to the Cards for making the postseason! And a thank you to the Giants as well __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

10-03-2012, 02:21 AM	#3923
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Arles, it is a moment for which the Giants are always glad to provide help in. The thread at McCoveyChronicles was titled "Eliminate." Winning is awesome - beating the Dodgers and crushing their dreams? Extra bonus.

10-03-2012, 07:30 AM	#3925
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	Great game 162 today. Two divisions undecided. Both top seeds undecided. Should be fun today. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

10-03-2012, 07:40 AM	#3926
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Woohoo Cardinals!

10-03-2012, 07:41 AM	#3927
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I'm overtly rooting for Cabrera to win the Triple Crown because it will be neat to see. It's something that's never happened in my lifetime so I'd like to see it. Cabrera's a good player so it wouldn't be some fluke like Brady Anderson winning it. Yes, it's about hitting for power (fairly static), hitting for average (highly variable), and RBIzz (team dependent) but it's still a neat relic that can tie today to an older age of baseball. Also, I'm secretly hoping for Cabrera to get the Triple Crown to see the sabermetric meltdown when he gets the MVP. Let's be honest: the MVP has never been defined in any sport and that muddies the water a lot. We've had a lot of times when it's the "best player in the league". We've had quite a few times when it's the best player on the worst team because without that player, the team wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs. Typically, it's a combination of the two. Then there's all sorts of nonsense where having a good teammate makes it harder because you'll "split the vote". Or you have circumstances like this season where you have a player who played the entire season versus only part of the season and the funny thing about that is both sides use that argument to try and bolster their guy's side: my guy played less so imagine if he had played a whole season vs our guy was more valuable because he played a whole season. Like the Cy Young, it's a nebulous award and always has been and, I suspect, always will be. I'm pretty sure it won't turn into the league WAR leader any time soon. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-03-2012, 07:42 AM	#3928
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Is there a BABIP-neutral "overall" hitting stat out there? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-03-2012, 07:57 AM	#3929
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	If Cabrera wins the Triple Crown, he is going to win the MVP. I think Trout deserves to be the MVP. He is the better all around player and deserves it. Had he played in the majors in April, I don't think there would even be a question. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

10-03-2012, 08:09 AM	#3930
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	And the Giants best moment of the year happened

10-03-2012, 10:58 AM	#3934
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I was going to say something about how meaningless those games would be without the second wild card when I noted that BAL-NYY and TEX-OAK are all within one game of one another, so the one wild card under of the old system would have been as hotly contested as the divisional matchups. So I guess today would have been fun under the old system, too. That said, there is the added value that comes now with being a division winner and not having to play in the wild card game. That is a tremendous reward for winning the division. And the losers will be keeping an eye on the other matchup as well, since they could either host the wild card game or have to travel for it. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-03-2012, 11:18 AM	#3935
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Hmm, there are three games that matter; TEX @ OAK, BOS @ NYY and BAL @ TB. TEX and OAK are tied at 93-68 atop the AL West and the Yankees are up 1 (94-67 to 93-68 for BAL) in the AL East. So there are eight possible scenarios, if I have it right. #1: NYY, BAL, TEX wins Yankees win AL East and have home field throughout AL playoffs. Texas wins AL West. BAL gets first WC and will host OAK in WC game. #2: NYY, BAL, OAK wins Yankees win AL East and have home field throughout playoffs. Oakland wins AL West. BAL gets first WC and will host TEX in WC game. #3: NYY wins, BAL loses, TEX wins Yankees win AL East and have home field throughout playoffs. Texas wins AL West. Host of WC game between BAL and OAK determined by tiebreakers (HvH first criterion) #4: NYY wins, BAL loses, OAK wins Yankees win AL East and have home field throughout playoffs. Oakland wins AL West. Host of WC game between BAL and TEX determined by tiebreakers (HvH first criterion) #5: NYY loses, BAL wins, TEX wins NYY and BAL play an extra one game for division champ. I believe the winner actually gets home field throughout playoffs. Texas wins AL West. Loser of NYY-BAL extra game hosts OAK. #6: NYY loses, BAL wins, OAK wins NYY and BAL play an extra one game for division champ. I believe the winner actually gets home field throughout playoffs. Oakland wins AL West. Loser of NYY-BAL extra game hosts TEX. #7: NYY loses, BAL loses, TEX wins Yankees win AL East. Texas wins AL West. Home field throughout playoffs is determined by TEX and NYY tiebreakers (HvH first criterion). Host of WC game between BAL and OAK determined by tiebreakers (HvH first criterion) #8: NYY loses, BAL loses, OAK wins Yankees win AL East. Oakland wins AL West. Home field throughout playoffs is determined by OAK and NYY tiebreakers (HvH first criterion). Host of WC game between BAL and TEX determined by tiebreakers (HvH first criterion) __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-03-2012, 11:25 AM	#3936
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	It might be kind of fun if the Orioles/Yankees play a division tiebreaker, and then play again in the divisional round or ALCS. That's the kind of thing that can start rivalries if the games have some drama to them.

10-03-2012, 12:01 PM	#3937
AENeuman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: SF	Winner of the 2012 INMIYA (It's-Not-Me-It's-You Award): Barry Zito 4.15 ERA 2010: 3.61 run support, 9-14, off playoff roster Barry Zito 4.15 ERA 2012, 4.76 run support, 15-8, playoff bound

10-03-2012, 12:18 PM	#3938
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	My mother-in-law and my wife were selected for the public pre-sale of NLCS tickets. I picked up four (the max) tickets total. By 10:01 the best seats available were 32nd row bleacher seats, and by 10:06 it was SRO. Whew! __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

10-03-2012, 01:05 PM	#3942
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I still can't believe how effective Dickey's knuckleball has been as a strikeout pitch this year. It will be interesting to see if he can pitch into his mid 40s.

10-03-2012, 01:05 PM	#3943
LloydLungs College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ponchatoula, LA	Lost in the day 162 excitement, this bit of outstanding news: Baseball Fans Should Rejoice as MLB, Fox Partially Lift Blackouts The obnoxious Fox Saturday blackouts for MLB Extra Innings/MLB.TV subscribers are gone -- as of 2014, anyway. Now, to get to work on the even more obnoxious territorial-rights-related blackouts...

10-03-2012, 01:22 PM	#3948
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The orioles are the Browns, right?

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