Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

The reasoning was he was a non-presence on d1. He's now shown up.

Yep. Shocking isn't it?

[path12]

Wow, quite a swing there. Looks like I'm going to have to self preserve.

VOTE BARKEEP

Is that the right self-preservation vote? I've been catching up and need to review the vote.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm still trying to make sense out of Anxiety's play. He reveals as an Olympian and has disappeared.

Data points for me on Anxiety:
- no one countering his reveal is to his benefit
- however, Alan has said that there are safeguard against a mass reveal and there is a pretty extensive list of roles (more than 19) and a note that more roles may exist than listed
- Ares strikes me as an Olympian who may have their own victory conditions
- why isn't Anxiety sticking around to try and help us make the right decision if he felt strongly enough about it to reveal earlier?

Just trying to figure out the sequence of events. I've got the idea in my head that we just might have been on the verge of a good day one vote. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but would like to hear what others think (preferably quickly).

This is actually an excellent point. In a game of 19 I would figure at least 5 titans (good and bad), 2 monsters, 2 humans. That leaves 10 players for 19 remaining players. Plenty of space for Titans to hide especially if they know which Olympians are in the game.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm still trying to make sense out of Anxiety's play. He reveals as an Olympian and has disappeared.

Data points for me on Anxiety:
- no one countering his reveal is to his benefit
- however, Alan has said that there are safeguard against a mass reveal and there is a pretty extensive list of roles (more than 19) and a note that more roles may exist than listed
- Ares strikes me as an Olympian who may have their own victory conditions
- why isn't Anxiety sticking around to try and help us make the right decision if he felt strongly enough about it to reveal earlier?

Just trying to figure out the sequence of events. I've got the idea in my head that we just might have been on the verge of a good day one vote. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but would like to hear what others think (preferably quickly).

Very valid questioning, my opinion is he had something he had to go do and assumed he was the main lynch candidate, so he revealed hoping that would be enough to save him at least for a day.

I can't say I find fault there. At least not enough to not give him a days grace to defend himself.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Yep. Shocking isn't it?

I can't believe you're trying to paint me as UTR on day friggin' 1. I stay out of day 1 for this very reason.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by path12

Wow, quite a swing there. Looks like I'm going to have to self preserve.

VOTE BARKEEP

Is that the right self-preservation vote? I've been catching up and need to review the vote.

That's the correct self preservation vote.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Got a new alternative? I'm flexible when it comes to saving my own Olympian skin.

No.

[hoopsguy]

Render, I don't think Anxiety is in the line of fire here. And a look back at his post indicates that he was stepping away. To engage in the war-like activity of "shopping". Won't go there, so time to decide between Path and BK.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by path12

I can't believe you're trying to paint me as UTR on day friggin' 1. I stay out of day 1 for this very reason.

I didn't try to paint you anything. You were UTR, path.

[Telle]

I'm trying to catch up.. not quite there yet. I saw Anxiety's reveal.. so I'm going to move off him him and onto who looks another frontrunner before the deadline hits.

VOTE BARKEEP

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Actually, you're wrong there. if we try to work together here and we get any real resistance then we have a focus for suspicion on day 2, no?

I don;t think you're a titan riht now, I'm not certain of path12, but he's on a list of those that have nothing going for them atm either. I trust BK for now, anxiety has reveaqled as Aries.

Where else should we look Lathum? Take a stand, pick someone to go after and give us a good reason why they're any BETTER of a choice than path or racer or raiders or any of the non-main people.

Work WITH us man, even if you don't vote with us, at least try to help.

think what you like.

I think I gave a legitimate reason for my day 1 vote.

Your reasoning is absurd and you really have a poor grasp of day 1, but I will chalk it up to your inexpierience.

If we "work together" the wolves will just fall in line with us and we will learn nothing. On the off chance we actualy nail a wolf the first day the other wolves would just fall in line. A runaway vote day 1 is the worst possible thing for the village.


Honestly, do you really think a wolf would offer any day 1 resistance if another wolf is on the block? Remember last game when ?Path? vouched for ?Anxiety? day one. All it did was draw suspicoun.

[Neon_Chaos]

Has anyone told Telle that she still has her vote on Anxiety?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Render, I don't think Anxiety is in the line of fire here. And a look back at his post indicates that he was stepping away. To engage in the war-like activity of "shopping". Won't go there, so time to decide between Path and BK.

If you believe what you're saying about Anxiety vote for him. He's pretty close, still, in votes to path and I. Actually I think he has more people voting for him than path.

[Neon_Chaos]

Ah I missed Telle's vote. Telle, I think you have to unvote before voting again.

[RendeR]

So what other than Lathum's opinion of BK's 5 point commentary early today does anyone have on barkeep?

I'm VERY not convinced that he's a titan. his play today really hasn't seemed that way at all. Even the points about the 5 point vote AND pushing for mass reveals have been reversed by him.

I'm really worried you're all lynching a good Olympian here.

[Neon_Chaos]

Barkeep, the votes are getting to you. If I am right in my line of thinking, you're not really overly concerned about being lynched... am I correct?

[hoopsguy]

I'm of the opinion that Neon is in bandwagon mode, just like he was on Day 1 when he was the Cultist recently. If there was a shot to get him over these two candidates that is where I would go.

There is an alternate candidate, and the reasoning, for whoever it was that asked earlier.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Telle

I'm trying to catch up.. not quite there yet. I saw Anxiety's reveal.. so I'm going to move off him him and onto who looks another frontrunner before the deadline hits.

VOTE BARKEEP

Can you give us a good reason why BK and NOT path12? What is going for path?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Barkeep, the votes are getting to you. If I am right in my line of thinking, you're not really overly concerned about being lynched... am I correct?

I can't decide if I should be concerned or not.

[st.cronin]

Geez.

UNVOTE BARKEEP49
VOTE NEON_CHAOS

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I can't decide if I should be concerned or not.

Wait. Are you I'm duke? If so, I wish I was as I could be far more cavalier about this suddenly close vote.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm of the opinion that Neon is in bandwagon mode, just like he was on Day 1 when he was the Cultist recently. If there was a shot to get him over these two candidates that is where I would go.

There is an alternate candidate, and the reasoning, for whoever it was that asked earlier.

Nah, hoops. I'm in "If I'm using only 1 action point on my vote, I might as well make my vote count" mode.

[hoopsguy]

Path, I would like to hear something from you other than "what, vote for me?" if at all possible. Understanding time is getting close ...

[path12]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I didn't try to paint you anything. You were UTR, path.

There is no such thing as UTR on day 1. It always turns into pointless quibbling and lately getting our seers killed.

[hoopsguy]

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE NEONCHAOS

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Ah I missed Telle's vote. Telle, I think you have to unvote before voting again.

Shoot.. sorry.

UNVOTE ANXIETY
VOTE BARKEEP

Do we have a vote total???

[Lathum]

for the record, alot of other people voted barkeep after I did

[DaddyTorgo]

this has the makings of being very bad I fear

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Can you give us a good reason why BK and NOT path12? What is going for path?

Jesus, why are you pushing this so hard?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE NEONCHAOS

I swear to god, if I get lynched on Day 1, someone has to vote hoops off.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

think what you like.

I think I gave a legitimate reason for my day 1 vote.

Your reasoning is absurd and you really have a poor grasp of day 1, but I will chalk it up to your inexpierience.

If we "work together" the wolves will just fall in line with us and we will learn nothing. On the off chance we actualy nail a wolf the first day the other wolves would just fall in line. A runaway vote day 1 is the worst possible thing for the village.


Honestly, do you really think a wolf would offer any day 1 resistance if another wolf is on the block? Remember last game when ?Path? vouched for ?Anxiety? day one. All it did was draw suspicoun.

Well if you want to get defensive about it I'l let it drop for now. I'm almost positive you're wrong about BK. You're being realy stubborn about this(nothing new there) but whatever. We'l have to agre to disagree.

And if you hadn't noticed there is NO runaway vote going on, I'm simply working as best I can to try and turn lynchpin votes to save someone I feel is a good Olympian.

Absurd indeed. Self ritious .......bleh.

[Alan T]

The sun sets and you have reached this day's deadline.

[Telle]

Well looks like deadline.. I'll now go back and actually read the past few pages instead of hurriedly skimming through them...

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

Jesus, why are you pushing this so hard?

its not that I'm pusing FOR you but everyone else is rallying to your aide for no apparent reason, i simply want some reason that you're a better choice to save than say, Telle or Ardent.

Nothing personal, I'm just tired of the homerism that some folks carry on in early days.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

this has the makings of being very bad I fear

After the way the last few have gone, I'll consider it a victory if we don't sacrifice our own seer!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

for the record, alot of other people voted barkeep after I did

I know this Lathum, but YOU carry weight with everyone else. if I could convince you of my position I know I could have saved someone I really believe is good.

thats why i wanted your vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

hopefully your vote didn't cost us an olympian there telle, particularly if it saved a titan

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

its not that I'm pusing FOR you but everyone else is rallying to your aide for no apparent reason,

Wait a minute. Doesn't handsome and charming count for anything?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Well if you want to get defensive about it I'l let it drop for now. I'm almost positive you're wrong about BK. You're being realy stubborn about this(nothing new there) but whatever. We'l have to agre to disagree.

And if you hadn't noticed there is NO runaway vote going on, I'm simply working as best I can to try and turn lynchpin votes to save someone I feel is a good Olympian.

and thats my point, not being deffensive and sorry if I came off that way.

It seems to me you were trying to round up a posse to lynch Path. The close vote today will give us far more information then a runaway on path, wheather BK is good or bad.

You, on the otherhand are positive I am bad and BK is good, how can you be so sure?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

Wait a minute. Doesn't handsome and charming count for anything?

if they did I'd be a rich and famous man.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I know this Lathum, but YOU carry weight with everyone else. if I could convince you of my position I know I could have saved someone I really believe is good.

thats why i wanted your vote.

lol

now I know you are crazy.

[hoopsguy]

I should have put the vote on one of the two leaders - hoped that there might be some traction on the alternate candidate but not enough time I guess.

I don't know what was the right choice, but I'm dumb for not making the vote count either way.

[Neon_Chaos]

Funny though, BK didn't do any reveal-like stance to try and sway votes. I don't think he's an Olympian... human, maybe?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and thats my point, not being deffensive and sorry if I came off that way.

It seems to me you were trying to round up a posse to lynch Path. The close vote today will give us far more information then a runaway on path, wheather BK is good or bad.

You, on the otherhand are positive I am bad and BK is good, how can you be so sure?

I am absolutely NOT positive you are bad, in fact from reading your posts today i'm pretty certain you're good, which is another reason for hounding after your vote.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I should have put the vote on one of the two leaders - hoped that there might be some traction on the alternate candidate but not enough time I guess.

I don't know what was the right choice, but I'm dumb for not making the vote count either way.

With time ticking down and a close vote at hand, hoops, that was a very uncharacteristic vote on your part.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I should have put the vote on one of the two leaders - hoped that there might be some traction on the alternate candidate but not enough time I guess.

I don't know what was the right choice, but I'm dumb for not making the vote count either way.

I would have switched but there didn't seem time. Which is why I didn't reply to your comment about information also.

[Lathum]

sorry Render, I missread a post of yours. I thought you were accusing me of being bad

[Alan T]

I count this as the final vote count. Someone please correct me if I was wrong on someone:

Barkeep - Ntndeacon (159), lathum (210), Chief Rum (261), Arlington (277), passacaglia (324), path (352), telle (376)
neon chaos - purduebrad (135), Ardent Enthusiast (316), St.cronin (370), hoopsguy (375)
Path - Barkeep (315), render (324), daddytorgo (328), daddytorgo (330)
anxiety - anxiety (132), Raiders Army (140), schmidty (201)
Hoopsguy - racer (208)

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

With time ticking down and a close vote at hand, hoops, that was a very uncharacteristic vote on your part.

Based on results - didn't see people follow my vote - I'm agreeing with you.

Based on premise - being nervous about voting patterns that I didn't understand but found unnerving - I think it was pretty consistent with my thought patterns in previous games. I try to understand momentum, just don't always have the courage to act on my conclusions. My conclusion here was that we had villager vs villager.

Either way, I'll take whatever heat people feel like assigning me for my vote today, assuming I'm around after Alan's write-up.

[Barkeep49]

Man if Alan's count is right my vote ended up in the wrong place.