Werewolf CLXVI - The Drenai Saga (GAME OVER - VILLAGE WINS!)

[Grover]

Suicane, obviously.

I thought piling on Golden Eagle in general was very odd as well. I cannot blame font for voting him out as the deciding vote. She had to self-preserve.

[HomerSimpson98]

Originally Posted by Raven

I voted for font yesterday because she voted for me. Then I voted for the same person again today. What's fishy about that?

Since font will probably vote for me again today, maybe you're just looking to initiate the move against me, so it doesn't look like you're joining after her...

hmmm - good point. Im not trying to initiate any moves on anyone, I'm just trying to figure out which one of you bastards is lying.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

4 - Suicane75 - cheekimonk (279), timmae (285), britrock88 (331), Grover (344)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), fontisian (314), EagleFan (341)
1 - Zinto - JAG (267)
1 - EagleFan - Suicane75 (290)
1 - fontisian - Raven (330)
1 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343)

[saldana]

i dont like either of the front runners at this point

vote fontisian

[saldana]

dola, the multiquote post she made last page just seemed like a bit much in terms of defense...firing back at every negative post against someone is a bit agressive at this point, since you know they dont really have anything.

[Chief Rum]

I think it would be difficult to introduce a third candidate right now, although we will see how things develop.

I want to vote font, but I suspect she is just a passionate villager who reacted wrong to some things.

I can't really vote Grover, because he pretty much reacted to font the way I would have (and did, actually).

So of the two with the most votes, Suicane feels like a better fit for me.

VOTE SUICANE75

[Chief Rum]

I'm way open on this one, though. Suicane hasn't done much more than anyone else to earn my vote. I just don't feel we have enough to go on just yet on anyone.

[cheekimonk]

I'm way open as well, but suicane is the only person I can point to something tangible on. Grover doth protest too much, but that's so obvious that it's either honest or a drastic measure. Doesn't pull me off sui at the moment.

[EagleFan]

unvote Grover

vote timmae

Gut feeling at this point. Though my vote may change if this doesn't gather any steam.

[HomerSimpson98]

Sorry - did i miss something on Suicane that is "tangible" to pin on him? I dont see anything on him that he has done outlandish. Hell, I dont have anything on anyone and I dont like my Raven vote.

where is zinto? why has sal been so quiet?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Sorry - did i miss something on Suicane that is "tangible" to pin on him? I dont see anything on him that he has done outlandish. Hell, I dont have anything on anyone and I dont like my Raven vote.

where is zinto? why has sal been so quiet?

Personally, others made their case for Suicane, and I went to him because I liked him as a candidate better than Grover (or more, I liked Grover as a villager, I should say).

Suicane is my default and if some momentum can be built on someone like Zinto or sal, or more on font, I would gladly consider switching my vote.

Someone earlier noted that Zinto hasn't posted at all since right near the start of the game. Is that true?

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Sorry - did i miss something on Suicane that is "tangible" to pin on him? I dont see anything on him that he has done outlandish. Hell, I dont have anything on anyone and I dont like my Raven vote.

where is zinto? why has sal been so quiet?

Suicane flipped to the GE train real early and, unlike others that started that misguided vote, he didn't move. Zinto didn't move from GE either, but he started there. But the odds are good, too, that I don't know what I'm talking about yet.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

unvote Grover

vote timmae

Gut feeling at this point. Though my vote may change if this doesn't gather any steam.

While not a vote for me, it might as well be as you're taking away my chance to flip things. And it's a total throwaway because timmae isn't going to gain traction at this point in the day.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Someone earlier noted that Zinto hasn't posted at all since right near the start of the game. Is that true?

That was me, but I had just asked if he is usually this quiet because I don't remember that in the couple of games I had played with him before.

I think he has more posts than right near the start of the game (he did vote yesterday) but I haven't seen anything I remember.

Still OK with my Grover vote right now. I can be talked into a couple of the alternatives that have come up but I think font is villager so am not going that way.

And on that note, I'm here for another 30 minutes or so. My wife and I have an appointment after work so while I think I can be around before deadline it is not certain.

[path12]

My main concern about the Suicane votes is that he was up in the middle of it all day and while he ended up not in the runoff it didn't strike me that anyone was too worked up about him being on the block. At least not enough to defend him.

Well, except Suicane of course.

[JAG]

I would say this is not normal from Zinto to not check in or anything during the day. I was hoping to hear his thoughts today but that may not happen it seems.

Unvote Zinto

[Suicane75]

Unvote: EagleFan
Vote: Grover

Even though I think EF is a wolf. Shady shit going down bro, shady shit.

[JAG]

I lean towards font being good, but she's a very good wolf so I'm not going to give her carte blanche with that. It would be nice to know to clarify the D1 voting and would make me think worse of Grover and Raven if so, but I don't see her as a great candidate other than that.

[path12]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Suicane flipped to the GE train real early and, unlike others that started that misguided vote, he didn't move. Zinto didn't move from GE either, but he started there. But the odds are good, too, that I don't know what I'm talking about yet.

Suicane voted GE when they were both tied for the lead with 3 votes. And when others changed their votes he dropped some but why at that point would he have reason to change, especially day 1?

I dunno. We'll learn more tonight I guess and I feel weird defending anyone at this point. I'll just say that the folks who really worry me right now are JAG, Chief & EagleFan but that goes back to my feeling about the Narc night kill.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

unvote Grover

vote timmae

Gut feeling at this point. Though my vote may change if this doesn't gather any steam.

The exchange he had with me yesterday made me feel a bit better about him.

[path12]

OK, I'm out. Good luck village!

[saldana]

OOG: i am out til around 9 EST...will be back before the deadline

[timmae]

Originally Posted by path12

I dunno. We'll learn more tonight I guess and I feel weird defending anyone at this point. I'll just say that the folks who really worry me right now are JAG, Chief & EagleFan but that goes back to my feeling about the Narc night kill.

I feel that this could warrant some additional discussion and views from the group. Unfortunately I am finishing up a 2nd 12 hour day in a row and tomorrow will be a 3rd but I will keep Path's thoughts in mind when I browse through tonight when I get home.

[Zinto]

Sorry everyone. I had a hectic day.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by JAG

Vote Zinto

Still interested in Sui, but I'm going with someone who didn't gather momentum D1 and was on the villager lynch.

I am surprised that I didn't get much day one traction. I figured I would because I made it so far into last game but I guess I will live with it.

[Chief Rum]

Zinto's posting again. LYNCH HIM!!!

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

5 - Suicane75 - cheekimonk (279), timmae (285), britrock88 (331), Grover (344), Chief Rum (356)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), fontisian (314), Suicane75 (367)
2 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354)
1 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343)
1 - timmae - EagleFan (359)

[Zinto]

I felt a little stuck on GE after votes got placed on him. I debated on jumping on to Font because we had a little tiff. I just don't think voting for someone because you are irritated with them in the moment is the best decision.

[Zinto]

I don't feel like Grover is bad at this point. I think he misused his wording on why he wanted to vote for Font and it kind of blew up in his face a little bit. Probably more than I am comfortable with to be voting for him right now.

[Suicane75]

Guess I better start pleading now. I'm just a villager guys. Not much more I can give you to go on than that. I've tried to be more active in this game, of course it's easier to wrap my head around a more straight forward game. I admit to being lost in the headlights during EF's game.

Whatevs though. If you do lynch me, I at least hope my death gives you some clues as to who the wolves are. I still think EF and CR should be suspects.

[Zinto]

I also didn't look at the vote count before I posted to see that Suicane has a little bit of a comfortable margin over Grover. I will look back a little and see if I can make my own case for voting Suicane or someone else.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

I still think EF and CR should be suspects.

Didn't you see the chart, I'm green...

[EagleFan]

Seriously though. If I was a wolf I certainly wouldn't be jumping around grabbing attention on day one. I would rather draw the attention than a roled villager so that is fine that you doubt me (as you should, doubt everyone).

Starting to feel better about you leading the vote though. Seems like you are setting up your excuse just in case Grover ends up lynched and turns up good.

[EagleFan]

unvote timmae

Though I am up for exploring that avenue later.

[Suicane75]

Dude, you aren't voting timmae, you were never voting timmae. But good job at keeping me square in the lead.

[Zinto]

Based on our current vote holders I am going to vote for Raven. Raven has been UTR so far and had a good middle vote on Font yesterday. I don't have a good reason to pile on Suicane and I don't particularly like Grover or Font as candidates currently.

[Zinto]

Vote Raven

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Dude, you aren't voting timmae, you were never voting timmae. But good job at keeping me square in the lead.

I voted timmae...

[EagleFan]

Raven was one of the pairs that I was looking at on day one. I could get behind a Raven vote.

[EagleFan]

vote Shoveler

I think someone should vote him every day so he knows that we are thinking about him.

[EagleFan]

Hell, he may have been the MVP for two different teams last game, that should earn him a vote.

[Suicane75]

Now you vote for another guy who isn't going to be voted out. You're playing a game of 3 card monty here friend.

[Suicane75]

You're either a wolf or getting off on effing with me. As an fellow Eagles fan, you know the kind of stress I'm under tonight. Not nice. You're a very bad man.

[timmae]

unvote suicane

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

4 - Suicane75 - cheekimonk (279), britrock88 (331), Grover (344), Chief Rum (356)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), fontisian (314), Suicane75 (367)
2 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354)
2 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343), Zinto (387)
1 - (null) - EagleFan (390)

[fontisian]

Hmm.

Unvote Grover
Chief's right. Grover's reaction was towny.

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

It's not just that quote but your whole approach to getting a response for GE. You seemed to overreact to a need to get a response from him. Way too aggressive, way too over the top. That's what I mean by gung ho.

Perhaps you were instead just responding to Grover or whomever asking you about it, but that's how it reads.

If you passionately believe GE is a saint, I don't think you're looking so ardently for an answer from him.

And, wrong.

I overreacted to Zinto answering a question for him, as that's considered incredibly rude on most mafia sites I play on. My actual dialogue with GE consisted of asking him a question and then some minor follow

Originally Posted by Raven

I voted for font yesterday because she voted for me. Then I voted for the same person again today. What's fishy about that?

Since font will probably vote for me again today, maybe you're just looking to initiate the move against me, so it doesn't look like you're joining after her...

Everything?

Does me voting for you make me scum? Why?

[fontisian]

Open Question: Is there anything pointing to town!Chief at this point?

[Suicane75]

This is why this game "bothers" me, as soon as someone else gives me a lifeline, someone else comes in and takes it away, but it's so obvious that it makes me think it can't be a wolf plan. But maybe the idea is to make everyone think it isn't a wolf plan by being so obvious.

At the very least EF could give me some Ritalin.

[Raven]

Add me to the list of those that question EF's actions yesterday. It's easy to say his vote bouncing is a good strategy to force a wolf's hand a bit, but what if all the lead vote getters were villagers? Then his vote bouncing achieved nothing.

It also gives him a little too much freedom to change votes, without much question. You guys are questioning anyone else that changed votes yesterday, but letting him off the hook because he was doing it all day long. No one else sees the danger in that? He could basically have one target all day, bounce around to appear random, and then end up on someone that was completely not random at all. How do we know yesterday wasn't exactly that?

I think it was timmaee that mentioned EF has done this in a previous game, so he wasn't concerned with it. I don't buy that at all. That simply means he has a cover if he ever does choose to use it as a wolf.

I'm not saying EF is or isn't a wolf, I'm just saying he's no less suspect than any of the rest of you.

[JAG]

Raven was someone I was thinking about for that reason also Zinto. I need to read back though, haven't been able to devote much time to the thread today.