Werewolf: XIV Spawn (GAME OVER! Please give feedback)

[hoopsguy]

If I was picking someone to point the finger at on the junk water mission, it would be the scientist. He is the one that has the greatest impact on success/failure of the water collection. But any one of the people on the mission yesterday could have become inflicted (10% chance each). And while I think he would make a good candidate for conversion, based on what Barkeep relayed he would be a spawnling at this point and unable to actively sabotage if he was targeted last night. Sigh.

What is a little frustrating is if they didn't know they were infected yesterday and now join the spawn today without having any chance of saving themselves.

I understand the logic of pointing the finger at the new guys. But as one of the new guys in the mix I'm concerned about a strategy that suggests I'm working against my crewmates.

Vince/Raiders - I think it might be a good idea to check out Dubb tomorrow. If he is spawn material it is going to make future water runs very challenging. You can rotate the rest of us in and out of the group, but since the scientist has a big impact on results you want him along every time if he is clean.

Was KWhit scoped this morning prior to the water run? Or yesterday? Or not at all and my mind is playing tricks on me? I'll be back later this afternoon to dig this up if no one else has responded to this question.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by saldana

unless i missed the post, bug never reported to the engine room today

That is correct.

[jeff061]

Inactivity kills in this game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hmm... that's a little suspicious. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be around to answer for it.

[Vince]

While I think Dubb is a great candidate for conversion, remember that 2 spawn tried a Spawnling conversion attack on me last night. Only the Spawn Queen can launch a conversion attack, so no one was converted last night. The only way someone was converted was by the random 10% modifier for the away team.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Inactivity is a major issue in any WW game, I've seen it become a problem at really critical times in other games.

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Inactivity kills in this game.

Exactly.

Also, this game is going to get a whole lot more interesting if people don't even know they were infected. I agree with Jeff that it makes the most sense for the spawns to go after the doctors or scientist versus our captain or ships' officers. By going after the dr.'s or scientist, they would gain the most by keeping their infections a secret from the majority.

[Vince]

I don't know about the most sense -- the ability to order other (non-spawn) people around is pretty significant.

[jeff061]

Indeed, but unlike Doctors, it's pretty obvious when they are taking advantage of their post.

[saldana]

so based on vince's arguments (which i find to be totally logical concerning his attack, curing, and lack of an overnight conversion) we really are at a coin toss between one of the 3 guys who didnt go out yesterday having been a spawn since the beginning, or one of the 5 that did go out yesterday having become a spawnling during the first mission and a full spawn overnight.

so if we have it narrowed down to 8 guys, i dont know other than take a random shot into those 8, so i think we should go by long term (apparent) value, so i say again we should pick a red shirt. (sorry guys)

[Schmidty]

I already tried to defend myself earlier, but like in every game like this I never seem very persuasive. Oh, if I'm lynched, I'll get my normal apology, but it still sucks to always be unable to stop it.

The only thing I can say is that until yesterday late in the afternoon, I hadn't even checked this thread in more than 2 days or so. I didn't have a strategy yesterday, other than to protect the highest-up that I could/needed to (KWhit).

As far as being in the away team, I didn't even know that I'd be in it until this morning, so how could I have sabotaged it that quickly? Wouldn't the spawns have to PM Barkeep about that as a night action? The rules are complicated, and I don't understand them all, but I thought that was the case. If so, I would have had to have fore-knowledge about it, and I didn't.

Anyway, I suggest that Vince and others think this through very carefully, as lynching me will do nothing more than help the spawn get one step closer to a win.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by saldana

so based on vince's arguments (which i find to be totally logical concerning his attack, curing, and lack of an overnight conversion) we really are at a coin toss between one of the 3 guys who didnt go out yesterday having been a spawn since the beginning, or one of the 5 that did go out yesterday having become a spawnling during the first mission and a full spawn overnight.

so if we have it narrowed down to 8 guys, i dont know other than take a random shot into those 8, so i think we should go by long term (apparent) value, so i say again we should pick a red shirt. (sorry guys)

Dola.

What's a red shirt?

[jeff061]

A Private.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Dola.

What's a red shirt?

in the original star trek, the guys that went on away teams with kirk and spock always wore red shirts, never had names, and always got whacked...in the player roles description for privates, barkeep says they are just standard redshirt crewmembers

[jeff061]

I don't think we should limit ourselves to writing off everyone who was in the first away team trip. They were feeling out the day just like us, who knows what they did or did not do day one.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by saldana

in the original star trek, the guys that went on away teams with kirk and spock always wore red shirts, never had names, and always got whacked...in the player roles description for privates, barkeep says they are just standard redshirt crewmembers

Ah, ok.

[jeff061]

Right now, I suggest Penny, Pass or Marc. I don't see a convincing reason to go after one of the other roles.

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by Vince

I don't know about the most sense -- the ability to order other (non-spawn) people around is pretty significant.

It seems as though most of us are involved in the decision making. If one of the leading roles started dishing out orders that didn't mesh with what the majority was thinking, I think we could pick up on it pretty quick. There's almost no way we could know the Doctor or the Nurse was converted.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by jeff061

I don't think we should limit ourselves to writing off everyone who was in the first away team trip. They were feeling out the day just like us, who knows what they did or did not do day one.

thats not what i am saying, but we have no specific evidence against anyone,. all i am saying is that they are the only ones we have ANY reason to suspect because they were off the ship yesterday and if they were infected, would have had time to become spawn.

if we work from the assumption that the 2 spawn that attacked vince last night were the only ones on the ship from the beginning, and since they failed to convert him, the only new spawn on board would have to be one of the 5 guys from yesterday's team.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Right now, I suggest Penny, Pass or Marc. I don't see a convincing reason to go after one of the other roles.

i agree.

[jeff061]

That wasn't written in response to you.

[Schmidty]

I have my suspiscions, but since I'm already on the block, I refuse to piss off anyone. Sorry guys, but I can't help right now.

[saldana]

oh, never mind then

[pennywisesb]

I would hope you would decide not to lynch me because you'd also only be helping the spawn get closer to their goal.

Barkeep, am I crazy, or do I remember you mentioning that privates MAY have secret roles?

[jeff061]

Admittedly I am looking at Pennywise. But I wouldn't feel so good voting for him while the other two privates are far less active. Else I probably would of gotten the party started 15 minutes ago.

I would hope you would decide not to lynch me because you'd also only be helping the spawn get closer to their goal.

Who's not going to say that .

[Vince]

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

It seems as though most of us are involved in the decision making. If one of the leading roles started dishing out orders that didn't mesh with what the majority was thinking, I think we could pick up on it pretty quick. There's almost no way we could know the Doctor or the Nurse was converted.

I think it'd be a pretty solid tactic to order a security detail to defend one area while the Spawn knew that they were attacking another...

[jeff061]

And the second that happened the heat would be on the captain and a doctor could check him out.

The only way a doctor gets found out is if someone he clears gets killed and revealed as a spawn. Even then he can try to argue out of it, since there may be no one left to check him.

[SnDvls]

did we ever get confirmation from Barkeep what was protected last night by the Security Crewman per the rules?

[SnDvls]

dola

if anything as Fouts said he did a Spy instead of protect

[Vince]

Well, I'm out the door to work. I really don't think my grounds for voting Schmidty are very strong, so feel free to ignore the subject of the vote. But really, we need to vote today. Start establishing patterns, perhaps get lucky. We need something to go on for tomorrow, and successive days. We can't be certain that whoever they target tonight will be cured the next day, like I was today.

[Blade6119]

Pennywise and Pass were in the brig last night with saldana and lathum. If vince said he was attackedf last night it was not any of these four. Straight forward, no room for misinterpretation. If vince was attacked by two last night, it was not any of these four.

Sorry, some people seemed to forget i tossed them in the brig last night for the exact reason of them being on the away mission

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by jeff061

And the second that happened the heat would be on the captain and a doctor could check him out.

The only way a doctor gets found out is if someone he clears gets killed and revealed as a spawn. Even then he can try to argue out of it, since there may be no one left to check him.

Exactly, it'd be worth so much more to go after the Doc or the Nurse because we wouldn't know they had been converted until someone was outed which could be a while yet.

[jeff061]

Ah yes. Thanks for the reminder Blade , sorry Penny.

Vote Marc Vaughan

I suppose, but I really don't feel confident. Need to get something going though,

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Pennywise and Pass were in the brig last night with saldana and lathum. If vince said he was attackedf last night it was not any of these four. Straight forward, no room for misinterpretation. If vince was attacked by two last night, it was not any of these four.

Sorry, some people seemed to forget i tossed them in the brig last night for the exact reason of them being on the away mission

Good job Blade. I forgot that I was in the Brig so this at least clears me for last night.

[saldana]

good show blade

vote: marc vaughan

[Schmidty]

I see Bug in the thread, and I'm wondering why he hasn't said a word....

[SnDvls]

well I need to vote and it's time to leave work so.


vote Marc Vaughan

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I see Bug in the thread, and I'm wondering why he hasn't said a word....

or fixed the engines

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by saldana

or fixed the engines

Now he's just left the thread without saying a word again. Very wierd.

[pennywisesb]

The first vote always sucks because its basically like throwing someone to the wolves unless we get really lucky. I agree that the ones to be suspicious of would be people who were involved in the away missions but weren't thrown in the brig last night. Because of this I guess I'm gonna have to jump on the bandwagon and Vote Marc Vaughan

If you turn out to be innocent I'm sorry but I think its very important for us NOT to miss another vote.

[MrBug708]

1) I just came around
2) I'm overwhelmed by this thread
3) I was fixing the engines last night
4) I could chose to rest instead of fix the engines
5) I really have nothing to add

[jeff061]

Bug, send a PM to fix up the engine room.

[jeff061]

Bug resting is only for night, you need to be fixing the engine room now.

[pennywisesb]

I too agree that Bug's actions are very intriguing at this point. I would love an explanation from him as to why he's doing what he's doing (or not doing what he should be doing)

[Mr. Wednesday]

He did work on them all night... but it doesn't look like there's any "recovery" today, so it would be nice if he would pitch in and help the rest of us out.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

I too agree that Bug's actions are very intriguing at this point. I would love an explanation from him as to why he's doing what he's doing (or not doing what he should be doing)

In case you missed Josh

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...&postcount=391

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, looks like I'm late on that, as I was checking back on the rules to make sure there wasn't a daytime rest option.

[jeff061]

I worked on them all night as well. Doing nothing all day accomplishes nothing, you rest tonight and work on the engine room today.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

In case you missed Josh

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...&postcount=391

Well, I guess that makes sense then, but we need to vote soon, so chime in as soon as you get a chance.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Kinda sucks to drum a first-timer out of the game right off, but absent a better option I'll join the crowd after Marc.