Wearwolf XC Killer kittens part something Game over!

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Are you following someone you think will be a wolf or a victim?

This time I'm following someone I think is more likely to be a wolf.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

This time I'm following someone I think is more likely to be a wolf.

Okay, then best not to say who in my opinion, in case the wolves avoid killing you to go after the seer.

[USFLTecmo]

Wow. This is a lot deeper that I'm used to analyzing things like this. Not knowing the personalities doesn't help me one bit either. I don't feel real good about this, but for now:

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'm a writer, that's the only reason I can come up with that my reveal was "well put-together." Another reason I went for it so early is because I didn't want to wait until close to the deadline or give the wolves a chance to successfully deflect the attention if I tried to go after Schmidty and no one else followed.

I will defend you on this. I didn't see anything in your reveal that looked like it was "well put together". Not saying there was anything wrong with it, just that it didn't look to me as it did to DT.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay, then best not to say who in my opinion, in case the wolves avoid killing you to go after the seer.

If there's a seer AND a stray in this game it's got some balance issues...

[The Jackal]

Thanks EF. The way I looked at this whole situation - I could've voted for Schmidty early, saw if anyone else came on.. but people would've been asking me why I thought to vote for him, which eventually would have led to the reveal, which would've given the wolves way too much time to prepare a counter-argument.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

If there's a seer AND a stray in this game it's got some balance issues...

If there's a brutal and a cunning I don't really see balance issues.

[EagleFan]

I've been putting too much thought into the JFK theory (you being a wolf). If Schmidty turns out bad I would still be leaning towards Lathum and Pass but if that ends up being the case I kind of wish you had waited on your reveal to get more time to see how the day would have played out before that information came out.

[The Jackal]

Yeah, I completely understand that point of view EF. If we had anything to go on or had at least nailed a decent role on day 1, I certainly would've waited. But there aren't very many people in this game.. if we went down 4-0 we'd pretty much be done, and I wasn't ready to let that happen.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I've been putting too much thought into the JFK theory (you being a wolf). If Schmidty turns out bad I would still be leaning towards Lathum and Pass but if that ends up being the case I kind of wish you had waited on your reveal to get more time to see how the day would have played out before that information came out.

Now you're going to look at me if Schmidty is bad? Earlier you were going to look at me if he was good! I know you were mistaken on my votes yesterday, but I don't think that really has anything to do with Scmidty either way.

[The Jackal]

Also the seer gets another scan without having had to say a single word today, which is nice .. so long as the wolves don't luck onto them tonight.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Thanks EF. The way I looked at this whole situation - I could've voted for Schmidty early, saw if anyone else came on.. but people would've been asking me why I thought to vote for him, which eventually would have led to the reveal, which would've given the wolves way too much time to prepare a counter-argument.

What may have served best is if you had not voted early but waited to see how things played out and then come out with the information.

Granted it's easy to say that now. If you made that play and happened to be one of the ones in the running by the time you revealed there would be a whole other reason for people to question you (but probably a lot more learned after the lynch no matter which way it went).

[The Jackal]

I feel like the longer you wait with a reveal the more people are going to question it.

[The Jackal]

So I guess I'll apologize for preventing the day from turning up a lot of information.. but in return I give you a wolf. I think it's a fair trade for the village.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Now you're going to look at me if Schmidty is bad? Earlier you were going to look at me if he was good! I know you were mistaken on my votes yesterday, but I don't think that really has anything to do with Scmidty either way.

Look into if Schmidty is bad, vote for is Schmidty is good. Two different things.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Look into if Schmidty is bad, vote for is Schmidty is good. Two different things.

Oh, so your plan is to vote for me if Schmidty is good? I don't think you'd mentioned that before. Still confused about it, but we can talk about that after deadline.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

So I guess I'll apologize for preventing the day from turning up a lot of information.. but in return I give you a wolf. I think it's a fair trade for the village.

No apology needed. Unless you are a wolf pulling our strings. We stll get a little to go on. We can see who tried to "hide" their votes in the Schmidty vote. If Schmidty is bad my guess is there is a wolf vote on you and one on Schmidty. The one on you will probably be an early one that jumped on the "what if he is faking" bandwagon coat tails and the one on Schmidty will be a rah rah "we got a wolf" vote. All just my gut feeling and that has ranged from spot on (last game) to way out in left field (couple games back).

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

No apology needed. Unless you are a wolf pulling our strings. We stll get a little to go on. We can see who tried to "hide" their votes in the Schmidty vote. If Schmidty is bad my guess is there is a wolf vote on you and one on Schmidty. The one on you will probably be an early one that jumped on the "what if he is faking" bandwagon coat tails and the one on Schmidty will be a rah rah "we got a wolf" vote. All just my gut feeling and that has ranged from spot on (last game) to way out in left field (couple games back).

The problem is that, so far, Lathum is the only one to vote for The Jackal besides Schmidty.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Oh, so your plan is to vote for me if Schmidty is good? I don't think you'd mentioned that before. Still confused about it, but we can talk about that after deadline.

Since we are nearing the deadline and heading in that direction. If Schmidty is good I would target Lathum, then you then Jackal.

If Schmidty is bad then I look at day one again, specifically your voting pattern and Lathum's and see how things fall into my last theory which I just posted on today's vote. All the while seeing who else matches that pattern.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The problem is that, so far, Lathum is the only one to vote for The Jackal besides Schmidty.

Not really a problem then since he would be one that I suspect and matches another reason to suspect. Kind of keeps him on my list still and we'll see where everything falls at that point.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Not really a problem then since he would be one that I suspect and matches another reason to suspect. Kind of keeps him on my list still and we'll see where everything falls at that point.

The thing is that I can't figure out if Lathum just did all this to see if he could get a wolf to follow him on a vote for The Jackal. No one did, but a lot of people flirted with it. But then I keep thinking that all of them were doing it to see if THEY could get a wolf to vote for The Jackal, too. So that kinda puts me back to square one.

[Passacaglia]

Anyway...


VOTE SCHMIDTY

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The thing is that I can't figure out if Lathum just did all this to see if he could get a wolf to follow him on a vote for The Jackal. No one did, but a lot of people flirted with it. But then I keep thinking that all of them were doing it to see if THEY could get a wolf to vote for The Jackal, too. So that kinda puts me back to square one.

owww my head

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Oh, so your plan is to vote for me if Schmidty is good? I don't think you'd mentioned that before. Still confused about it, but we can talk about that after deadline.

I have a feeling I won't be around after the deadline, but you may already know that.

[DaddyTorgo]

lunchtime for me

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I have a feeling I won't be around after the deadline, but you may already know that.

Thanks. That totally sets up the wolves to kill you, then blame me for it.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

lunchtime for me

Who are you dining on?

At least we just got a reveal....

[EagleFan]

Wow, this place emptied out quickly.

[EagleFan]

DT said it was lunchtime and everyone got nervous?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

DT said it was lunchtime and everyone got nervous?

Dude, I'm always nervous when I play WW!

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Dude, I'm always nervous when I play WW!

lol

[Abe Sargent]

Alright guys, good lynch, good lynch. Here we go....

[EagleFan]

Hopefully I haven't muddied the waters too much.

I do think that if the seer and BG are still alive after this vote/night action they may want to come forward with information about the first two nights, especially if Schmidty is good as it will help build a CoT.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Thanks. That totally sets up the wolves to kill you, then blame me for it.

While this could be the case.

I sometimes try to come up with an idea that seems to be so
far fetched that maybe it might work. I can't always
tell everyone what that plan is since villagers don't
have PM rights. Because of that I need to try something different which may
even risk confusing everyone, including myself. I really hope that
you can at least follow what I am trying to say. Sometimes it's hard to
know just who to trust when playing
in one of these games. Sometimes you just have to hope that you can
live long enough to be able to figure out some
little detail which
may have been overlooked previously.
Even though you feel that you have looked into every possible angle
that you could imagine. Yet we always end up
here, at an impasse where it may very well be villagers arguing against
each other. There is never a way to be
sure that you are doing the right thing. Hopefully it will all turn up okay in the
end and the game will result in a villager's victory. We just need to lynch
enough wolves an hope they don't
rip us apart each night. When you play
long enough
it starts to get
very confusing though and you often wonder if you will
eventually start to imagine things that aren't there. Even if you are
sure that you are thinking clearly.

[claphamsa]

deadline

[claphamsa]

Smidty is dragged off and lynched, hes a dog!

you wake up and eagles fan is dead he was a kitten!

[Abe Sargent]

Told ya all. Occam's razor bitches! Always works. Usually.

[Passacaglia]

Wow. So Schmidty wasn't the brutal. That's surprising.

[EagleFan]

Good luck cats!!!

[Abe Sargent]

I am the seer. I scanned DT> He is dark. Day One Lathum, he is light.


Vote DT

[Abe Sargent]

Vote DT

[The Jackal]

I followed Abe and saw nothing, which doesn't make me doubt his story at all, since I'd think the stray would only get info if someone is killed.

[The Jackal]

I should've followed EF .. I was wavering, bah.

[Abe Sargent]

's ok, I got DT

[Abe Sargent]

DT pinged my wolfdar because he was just playing off everyone else and not contributing himself. I scanned him, and he's dark.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I followed Abe and saw nothing, which doesn't make me doubt his story at all, since I'd think the stray would only get info if someone is killed.

But you did think Abe was a wolf when you decided to follow him, right? Does that make you doubt his story?

[The Jackal]

I'll wait to hear from DT and others before casting a vote, now I get to think about the immediate reveal from the other side of the coin.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But you did think Abe was a wolf when you decided to follow him, right? Does that make you doubt his story?

It gives me reason to pause. But the same reasons I thought he was a wolf fit for him being the seer - playing kind of quiet, trying to get in a vote on Schmidty that was early but not questionable.

[The Jackal]

I'm out for a little while, I'll check back in later.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'll wait to hear from DT and others before casting a vote, now I get to think about the immediate reveal from the other side of the coin.

Oh, I wasl excited that my wolfdar paid off. It's rare to nail someone Night Two as a seer, I know, I've been the seer before.

Yay!!!

Look, you can suss it out. The remaining two wolves are probably Brutal and Cunning. If a wolf were going to make this play and lie about being the seer, it'd be the Brutal of course. You would also send the Brutal to kill out of Brutal and Cunning, assuming those two are left. You know I didn't kill anyone last night, ergo I am probably not the Brutal wolf at least, which means I would be the one less likely to lie about being a seer. If there is a real seer out there and I lie, then you don;t want the remaining wolf to be detected by the seer.

Therefore, it makes no sense for the Cunning to show themself in any way, including lying here or killing last night. Therefore, I am likely telling the truth.