WW-Pokemon Day Three Deadline 4/15 10 PM

[EagleFan]

Past deadline, before day 2. Not really the time to be talking about the game.

[timmae]

Poor cheeki.

[Zinto]

Night One Results

You wake up to find Britrock running around looking for his misplaced Pokeballs. As he searches every corner of the camp it starts to dawn on you that Team Rocket has struck again. With no Pokemon to train on the journey Britrock starts to make his way home.

Britrock was a Vanilla Villager.

[Zinto]

Day Two Deadline is 10 PM Tuesday

[fontisian]

Vote EagleFan

Round two.

[JAG]

Vote EF

[JAG]

Not a fan of pulling a tie at the end with unpredictable results if you're really a vanilla villager.

[path12]

There was really no big push at the end. Two of the three were villagers. Might have been all three.

[timmae]

3 horse race with 2 vanillas getting axed. Not a good start.

[EagleFan]

Was hoping we would both have been killed so it would end the questions right away.

vote Shoveler

He has piggy back voting. Thank them for going after brit, now it means that there were 3 villagers being voted for so that can be analyzed properly.

vote nightfall

Not putting myself through another day of BS so if you want to vote for me, vote for me. Kill me please.

[path12]

I'm going to look in different directions.

VOTE TIMMAE

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by path12

I'm going to look in different directions.

VOTE TIMMAE

Ok. Why?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by timmae

3 horse race with 2 vanillas getting axed. Not a good start.

3 vanilla horse race. Analyze it based on that. I was actually hoping that we would both get killed when I switched. That way the voted could be analyzed accordingly.

[EagleFan]

Look at Shoveler. Says he will be around all day and basically only comes back after that gets questioned and then for a piggy back vote.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Look at Shoveler. Says he will be around all day and basically only comes back after that gets questioned and then for a piggy back vote.

Or, we could look at you.

[EagleFan]

The f***ing vote nightfall and be done with your crappy read.

[The Jackal]

Well sorry cheeki, guess I need to absorb more of your style

[EagleFan]

Please f***ing kill me!!! Learn the error of your way.

[The Jackal]

Brit was an odd choice, definitely helps us with vote analysis

[EagleFan]

I'm out. Good luck village but at this point, Go whatever team font isn't on!!!

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Please f***ing kill me!!! Learn the error of your way.

You'll probably get your wish..

[EagleFan]

Then please have the stones to vote nightfall.

If this wasn't the second game in a row that I was a day one lynch I would have said screw it and fell on my sword.

[path12]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Ok. Why?

I think the wolves made a mistake with the nightkill. I think they killed Brit because they figured that EF would be the cinch target for day 2. And if we don't lynch EF today I cannot imagine a situation where we would not know if he was a wolf by day 3.

So if I think that's what they think, I don't see the point in lynching EagleFan today.

As to why timmae, all I can say is that I thought I noticed a tell with him last game when we were bad, and I believe I caught a similar tell today. Recently acquired hunch let's say.

[path12]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Then please have the stones to vote nightfall.

If this wasn't the second game in a row that I was a day one lynch I would have said screw it and fell on my sword.

You're making it hard to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you might cool off for a bit.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by path12

You're making it hard to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you might cool off for a bit.

+1

[timmae]

Path, I don't know what your tell is but it is off. I am vanilla villager like I said.

Nightfall votes are never good. I need to look harder at EF and want to hear from shoveler. What a friggin D1.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Day One Vote Count

Cheekimonk 5-The Jackal(160), Raven(214), Chief Rum(226), Britrock(237), EagleFan(337)
EagleFan 5-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71), Shoveler(264), Path(318), Cheekimonk(333)
Britrock 4- JAG(59), Narcizo(192), Autumn(260), Timmae(293)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)

Another interesting thing is that if we posit that all three top vote getters were village, to me it makes those votes that were a) early and b) not moved more significant than they might be normally.

[path12]

Originally Posted by timmae

Path, I don't know what your tell is but it is off. I am vanilla villager like I said.

They often are, but I tend to dial them in eventually.

[path12]

I would like to hear from Shoveler as well and get his thoughts on the day/night.

[EagleFan]

Day One Vote Count

Cheekimonk 5-The Jackal(160), Raven(214), Chief Rum(226), Britrock(237), EagleFan(337)
EagleFan 5-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71), Shoveler(264), Path(318), Cheekimonk(333)
Britrock 4- JAG(59), Narcizo(192), Autumn(260), Timmae(293)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Look at Shoveler. Says he will be around all day and basically only comes back after that gets questioned and then for a piggy back vote.

Not really sure what a piggy back vote is, could you explain? I moved my vote from cheeki as he had a healthy lead and my vote was on him from the previous evening. In reality it was a non-vote, it was placed with no intent to stick and I felt trapped with it in the afternoon during the early 3 way tie. I moved my vote to you after the run on cheeki, which at the time put you in third place I believe.

But yes I wasn't around like I thought I would be. I was following along on my phone, and when pressed I went to my pc and posted a response. Not going to make excuses for my lack of participation, it simply did not work out as I had foreseen this morning.

[path12]

Well, at least you're here now. What do you make of the voting?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Shoveler, why have you sat on your vote on me from the start?

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Was actually just about to remove it to get us back to even.

Unvote: Cheekimonk

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Vote: Eaglefan

I'm not seeing the cheeki or brit votes. I think Eagle is just being random like the past two games, but at least that is something to go on.

This... look at this closely. Seems like he was quick to be "talked out" of his vote on cheek and then votes me but it is really a piggy back vote with a paper thin reason. Like he is setting up an excuse for a way out if he gets called on it.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

This... look at this closely. Seems like he was quick to be "talked out" of his vote on cheek and then votes me but it is really a piggy back vote with a paper thin reason. Like he is setting up an excuse for a way out if he gets called on it.

I could see that argument if Cheeki had flipped scum.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Vote EagleFan

Round two.

Nightfall!!!!

[EagleFan]

Okay, this is my last post. The wolves made a mistake going after brit (in my opinion). Capitalize on that.

As I said before. Good luck village, unless font is a villager. In that case go other team.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by path12

Well, at least you're here now. What do you make of the voting?

I did not get a bad feel from any of them to be honest. EF went toe to toe with Font for a few posts, but that was the only weird behavior I identified, and it really wasn't much to go off of after how EF has played on day 1 in the past game or so.

As for the night, why kill one of the lead vote getters? It would make more sense to me to leave brit around to draw votes today.

[path12]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Okay, this is my last post. The wolves made a mistake going after brit (in my opinion). Capitalize on that.

As I said before. Good luck village, unless font is a villager. In that case go other team.

Christ. Now I remember why I get burnt out on this game so easily.

[Shoveler]

Someone mentioned in a previous game a personal rule or something to that effect about when pressed a villager is more likely to become irrational. That's sort of where I'm seeing EF at this point.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Then please have the stones to vote nightfall.

If this wasn't the second game in a row that I was a day one lynch I would have said screw it and fell on my sword.

I feel your frustration. This is the hard part about this game for me, and why I tend to avoid being a deciding vote on D1. D1 votes always seem arbitrary, yet people push if you are indecisive. (Like they have a whole lot to go on to begin with).

With that said, I won't be voting for EF today. I don't believe font's reads are the end-all, and I've been the victim of her "just fucking vote for Raven" attack before. Ultimately this is a game, a VERY time consuming game, and people deserve the opportunity to play it. If we keep pushing the same people out early, they'll stop playing.

[Narcizo]

Meh! to way that all went down. Lucky that the tie didn't result in a no-lynch.

But killing Brit was a very odd move by the wolves. I think EVERYONE should put their thinking caps on and come up with reasons why the wolfies would apparently help the village out that way. My initial thought is that it's to condemn or exhonerate (depending on his allegiance) EagleFan. My second thought is that it indicates a team of newer players or, at least, that any veteran wasn't around to help decide. My third thought is that the wolves were on cheeki and wanted to show that they weren't the only ones voting village.

[Narcizo]

Well I just looked at the voting results and I think it's safe to discount number three as that would have to be three out of Chief, Raven, Jackal and Eagle. Can't see them writing off on taking out Brit for reason three. Reason one is still a thing though.

[Narcizo]

Fonti - your conviction reminds me an awful lot of villager-me after day three or so. I don't see how you can be so certain that someone is a wolf so early.

For what it's worth I'm kind of opposed to Eagle even being an issue today. I think there's a decent chance that he has been scanned (I hope not but it seems like a possibility). If Eagle is village and has been scanned, then stringing him up removes one of our cleared guys. And there's the risk of the seer accidentally revealing themselves by defending/going after Eagle to hard if he has scanned him.

[Narcizo]

Day One

#57 Vaimes votes Grover (1)
#58 EagleFan votes Vaimes (1)
#59 Jag votes Britrock (1)
#61 Font votes Eagle (1)
#62 Cheeki votes timmae (1)
#63 Shoveler votes Cheeki (1)
#63 timmae votes Path (1)

#68 Autumn votes Narcizo (1)
#71 Vaimes unvotes Grover (0), votes Eagle (2)
#77 Jackal votes Vaimes (2)
#87 Narcizo votes Jag (1)
#96 Eagle unvotes Vaimes (1), votes Font (1)
#99 timmae votes Autumn (1)
#103 Autumn unvotes Narc (0), votes Shoveler (1)
#104 Grover votes Jackal (1)

#107 Autumn unvotes Shoveler (0), votes Britrock (2) / Brit 2, Eagle 2
#115 Britrock votes Vaimes (2) / Brit 2, Eagle 2, Vaimes 2
#130 Cheeki unvotes timmae (0), votes Grover (1) / Brit 2, Eagle 2, Vaimes 2
#133 Path votes Cheeki (2) / Cheek 2, Brit 2, Eagle 2, Vaimes 2
#150 Cheeki unvotes Grover (0), votes Font (2) / Cheek 2, Font 2, Brit 2, Eagle 2, Vaimes 2
#160 Jackal unvotes Vaimes (1), votes Cheeki (3) / Cheek 3, Font 2, Brit 2, Eagle 2
#171 Raven votes Autumn (2) / Cheek 3, Font 2, Brit 2, Eagle 2, Autumn 2
#179 Cheeki unvotes Font (1), votes Vaimes (2) / Cheek 3, Vaimes 2, Brit 2, Eagle 2, Autumn 2
#192 Narc unvotes Jag (0), votes Brit (3) / Cheek 3, Brit 3, Vaimes 2, Eagle 2, Autumn 2
#193 Path unvotes Cheeki (2) votes Brit (4) / Brit 4, Cheek 2, Vaimes 2, Eagle 2, Autumn 2

#205 Autumn unvotes Brit (3), votes Cheeki (3) / Brit 3, Cheek 3, Vaimes 2, Eagle 2, Autumn 2
#206 Eagle unvotes font (0), votes Vaimes (3) / Brit 3, Cheek 3, Vaimes 3, Eagle 2, Autumn 2
#210 timmae unvotes Autumn (1), votes Brit (4) / Brit 4, Cheek 3, Vaimes 3, Eagle 2
#214 Raven unvotes Autumn (0), votes Cheeki (4) / Brit 4, Cheek 4, Vaimes 3, Eagle 2
#221 Cheeki unvotes Vaimes (2), votes Brit (5) / Brit 5, Cheek 3, Vaimes 2, Eagle 2
#226 Chief votes Cheeki (5) / Brit 5, Cheek 5, Vaimes 2, Eagle 2
#237 Brit unvotes Vaimes (1), votes Cheeki (6) / Cheek 6, Brit 5, Eagle 2
#240 Path unvotes Britrock (4) / Cheek 6, Brit 4, Eagle 2

#254 Timmae unvotes Brit (3), votes Raven (1) / Cheek 6, Brit 3, Eagle 2
#260 Autumn unvotes Cheeki (5), votes Brit (4) / Cheek 5, Brit 4, Eagle 2
#262 Shoveler unvotes Cheeki (4) / Cheek 4, Brit 4, Eagle 2
#264 Shoveler votes Eagle (3) / Cheek 4, Brit 4, Eagle 3
#265 Eagle unvotes Vaimes (0), votes Cheeki (5) / Cheek 5, Brit 4, Eagle 3
#268 Cheeki unvotes Brit (3), votes Eagle (4) / Cheek 5, Eagle 4, Brit 3
#278 Eagle unvotes Cheek (4), votes Brit (4) / Cheek 4, Eagle 4, Brit 4
#287 Cheeki unvotes Eagle (3), votes Brit (5) / Brit 5, Cheeki 4, Eagle 3

#293 timmae unvotes Raven (0), votes Brit (6) / Brit 6, Cheeki 4, Eagle 3
#318 Path votes Eagle (4) / Brit 6, Cheeki 4, Eagle 4
#321 Eagle unvotes Brit (5) / Brit 5, Cheeki 4, Eagle 4
#333 Cheeki unvotes Brit (4), votes Eagle (5) / Eagle 5, Cheeki 4, Brit 4
#337 Eagle votes Cheeki (5) / Eagle 5, Cheeki 5, Brit 4

Results

Cheekimonk 5 - The Jackal (160), Raven (214), Chief Rum (226), Britrock (237), EagleFan(337)
EagleFan 5-Fontisian (61), Vaimes (71), Shoveler (264), Path (318), Cheekimonk (333)
Britrock 4- JAG (59), Narcizo (192), Autumn (260), Timmae (293)
The Jackal 1 -Grover (104)

[Narcizo]

Trying out a new / old thing (Hoops used to do it a bit like this). Can't say I like it to be honest so I'll probably be switching back.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

For what it's worth I'm kind of opposed to Eagle even being an issue today. I think there's a decent chance that he has been scanned (I hope not but it seems like a possibility). If Eagle is village and has been scanned, then stringing him up removes one of our cleared guys. And there's the risk of the seer accidentally revealing themselves by defending/going after Eagle to hard if he has scanned him.

Just realised that there's a simultaneous day and night deadline, which means that Eagle probably wasn't scanned, unless someone rolled the dice on some meaty conditional instructions. So that puts him back on the table for discussion today. Ignore me. It's generally best.

[Narcizo]

So why take out Brit? I've just realised that this is an occasion where the time stamps are actually pertinent and it's the one time I've missed them. Sorry about that.

1) Night deadline is the same time as day deadline. I forgot this because it never effects me but it's very important in this case.
2) Brit was leading the vote until 1 minute before lynch. He had been leading from #287 (21:19), when cheeki switched from Eagle to him. He was very much in the reckoning from 260 (20:48) when Autumn moved from Cheeki to him. In fact Brit was a strong candidate in the race from the me-and-Path double-whammy at #192/193, hours before.

So the wolves feel the need to take out one of the leading vote-getters and someone who looked like they were going to be lynched until last minute shenanigans - and I would argue that the kill order can't have been influenced by the last minute change as it seems doubtful they would have time to react to it and change their order appropriately.

Don't actually know what to make of that information. But I have to go for a bit now so I'll have a think about it.

[Grover]

Morning gents and lady. Catching up from yesterday...

[Grover]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Was hoping we would both have been killed so it would end the questions right away.

vote Shoveler

He has piggy back voting. Thank them for going after brit, now it means that there were 3 villagers being voted for so that can be analyzed properly.

vote nightfall

Not putting myself through another day of BS so if you want to vote for me, vote for me. Kill me please.

So I do this same thing in the last game and get strung up for it. Nobody says a word of protest when EF does it.

[Grover]

For the record, I think EF is a villager. His posting looks very similar to the rant I went on last week until I got a grip on reality.

Voting him off today would be a mistake. I'm going to look into those pushing hard for him to be lynched.