Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS) - Page 8

path12 · 06-08-2009, 10:03 PM

Oops, never mind. 11.

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 10:03 PM

The protection is a good point KWhit. I'm definitely not interested in "flooding" the jails (whatever that might mean) but I don't see any reason not to jail instead of lynch until we run across an exposed wolf. As was said, we will probably get a free scan or two out of it and that means we can buy some days back.

I think we can find a way or two to check the King's loyalties, but I'll talk about that later since it won't work if the wolves scheme for it.

Telle · 06-08-2009, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Vote jail Barkeep

I don't really like any of our choices, but a three horse race isn't a bad idea. Although I don't know where the vote count is.

You just added to the vote leader.

KWhit · 06-08-2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I don't think we need to adopt any kind of a hard-and-fast rule prior to putting people in jail.

Ultimately, the King gets to make decisions on how to proceed with the people in jail. He can either hope his 20% scan comes into play and let them live or he can gas them. Pretty simple, and it is his call every day.

Meanwhile, I think that if there is not a person in jail and we don't have a clear lynch, or a 1:1 trade option available, then we stick someone in the jail and let the king decide how to proceed. Part of voting someone in as king is giving them some license to make decisions. And then we get to second guess them when they are wrong

Well... Yes, mechanically, it is the King's decision on what to do with the person/people in jail. But I think that without any evidence, it would be foolish for the king to kill someone just because he/she was in jail (I know,somewhat self-serving here, but the logic holds, I think). Because given enough time (on average 2-3 days), the aura of the jailed people will be identified. It makes no sense to kill the jailed people "just because."

I think as far as the numbers game is concerned, it makes sense to keep jailed people alive, the seer to scan people outside of the jail, and for the bodyguard to occasionally guard the jail alternating with guarding non-jail people of perceived importance. I think that is the way to mathematically maximize our chance of winning.

Danny · 06-08-2009, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

You just added to the vote leader.

I think Pass is leading, but since you know, can you post the vote count

KWhit · 06-08-2009, 10:07 PM

And I thought I was leading.

Anybody have a vote count?

Telle · 06-08-2009, 10:07 PM

As of post #353

5 - Passacaglia jail - claphamsa (222), USFLTechmo (253), MartinD (261), hoopsguy (300), path (344)
7 - Barkeep jail - Lathum (177), RendeR (210), SnDvls (233), DaddyTorgo (235), saldana (278), Chief Rum (295), Danny (349)
1 - claphamsa jail - Passacaglia (238)
3 - KWhit jail - Autumn (254), Barkeep (275), Telle (321)
1 - KWhit lynch - Schmidty (298)

KWhit · 06-08-2009, 10:10 PM

Thanks. As is always the way with these things, I paid a lot more attention to the votes cast for me as opposed to the votes cast for others.

My points on the logic of what to do with the jailed prisoners is still valid, no matter who at this point goes in. I think they should be allowed to live for a few days to see what the king finds out about them. That's a pretty cool additional seer-type ability that we should try to maximize.

KWhit · 06-08-2009, 10:11 PM

What is the argument for Pass going to jail? I may have missed it in trying to catch up.

KWhit · 06-08-2009, 10:11 PM

Or is it just that he's another option as opposed to a runaway BK vote?

path12 · 06-08-2009, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

What is the argument for Pass going to jail? I may have missed it in trying to catch up.

His schedule is bad for at least tomorrow was my recollection. I'll try and find the post.

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 10:14 PM

I think he was just Clap's standard vote and therefore was a target to avoid a runaway.

path12 · 06-08-2009, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Honestly there's probably not much of my game to judge today, really. I was pretty busy today, and not able to really 'play' as much as I wanted to today. Most likely will be the case tomorrow as well, so I don't mind being jailed FWIW.

Post #292.

Schmidty · 06-08-2009, 10:18 PM

I'm still here and observing.

I'll be in and out until deadline. About to eat dinner.

Tyrith · 06-08-2009, 10:24 PM

A big part of me wants to vote for KWhit, because he seems to be okay with the idea of going to jail and I like to foster good feelings. And there doesn't really seem to be a good wolf play here unless he's The Dark One, because ultimately he's going to wind up bad - and we could find out as soon as tonight. The context of the day seems like it would make this a pretty silly sacrifice; he's not going to clear anyone. And it opens him up to all kinds of screwball breakout scenarios that aren't going to help suspicion wise.

This is the problem for me - my gut tells me KWhit is on our side. Why should I put him in jail, then? If I am going to go with my best instincts then I should vote for BK/Pass, but I have no instinct on either of them and that vote feels super random.

Sigh, I hate day 1.

Tyrith · 06-08-2009, 10:29 PM

And apparently Pass has does the same thing, just while I wasn't actively paying attention. Hrmph. Fine, I'm just going to go with the two horse race route, see if we can develop some information, because my inclinations aren't going to be much help right.

VOTE JAIL PASSACAGLIA

The Jackal · 06-08-2009, 10:31 PM

And I'm back. Long ass day. I'll be catching up now.

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:32 PM

Apparently my voice only resonates louder than hoops when we're both saying that it's okay to vote for us. If this were Day 7 or something, I'm sure you guys would all be listening to hoops more than me.

KWhit · 06-08-2009, 10:32 PM

So it looks like BK 7, Pass 6 for the jailing vote. I will throw this out, since I need to vote and don't want a tie.

Vote Jail Barkeep

RendeR · 06-08-2009, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Apparently my voice only resonates louder than hoops when we're both saying that it's okay to vote for us. If this were Day 7 or something, I'm sure you guys would all be listening to hoops more than me.

Just so you know:

I will NEVER trust/listen to Hoops over you =)

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

Just so you know:

I will NEVER trust/listen to Hoops over you =)

Well, no one should, really

lerriuqs · 06-08-2009, 10:44 PM

Vote Jail Pass

Let's keep this close.

The Jackal · 06-08-2009, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

ok...i only have 115k exp to go to get my hunter to level 70, and i already have enough for my flying mount...i will try to be back for the 2nd deadline, but in the meantime

vote jail bk

i just hit 77 last night and got cold weather flying and my explorer title while riding on my magic carpet immediately .. ok back to reading the thread

Tyrith · 06-08-2009, 10:47 PM

I'm a bit further along - I have typically been doing Ulduar 10 2-3 nights a week for the last month or so. Tomorrow night will probably be one of those nights, so I'll be paying a little less attention than normal.

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:47 PM

Do we know what happens if there is a tie?

Danny · 06-08-2009, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Do we know what happens if there is a tie?

Schmidty decides.

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Schmidty decides.

Oh -- so KWhit gets lynched?

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:49 PM

If I recall, didn't dubb say he'll give the King ten minutes to decide or something?

The Jackal · 06-08-2009, 10:49 PM

So it's 8-7 BK?

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:50 PM

I guess the reason I ask is because, thinking of my schedule, I *really* won't have time to post much again tomorrow.

UNVOTE CLAPHAMSA JAIL
VOTE PASSACAGLIA JAIL

Danny · 06-08-2009, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

So it's 8-7 BK?

I believe so

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:50 PM

That said, I'm not loving that I made it a tie.

The Jackal · 06-08-2009, 10:50 PM

Good enough, I guess.

VOTE PASS JAIL

The Jackal · 06-08-2009, 10:51 PM

Has backwards squirrel checked in yet? I don't recall seeing a post

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:52 PM

He voted for me like 6 minutes ago, dude.

Schmidty · 06-08-2009, 10:53 PM

So Pass is up one now?

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:53 PM

Well, uh, thanks all. My only hope now is that I didn't make this a waste of a vote. But since we were all doing jail instead of lynch, there's probably not much to be gained from vote analysis...I hope?

RendeR · 06-08-2009, 10:54 PM

tick tick tick

The Jackal · 06-08-2009, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

He voted for me like 6 minutes ago, dude.

Good call.

Schmidty · 06-08-2009, 10:55 PM

Will the King be bold?

We shall see, my subjects.....

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Will the King be bold?

We shall see, my subjects.....

It's just jail -- I don't think anyone really cares.

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 10:57 PM

9-8 pass?

Schmidty · 06-08-2009, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It's just jail -- I don't think anyone really cares.

I can change one vote to whatever I want, once per game.

Schmidty · 06-08-2009, 10:58 PM

And I don't like the jail thing (even though not having someone in jail takes away some of my power).

Barkeep49 · 06-08-2009, 10:59 PM

Unjail KWhit
Jail Pass

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I can change one vote to whatever I want, once per game.

I know. But like I said, it's just jail. I just don't think it warrants the dramatics.

dubb93 · 06-08-2009, 11:00 PM

time check.

dubb93 · 06-08-2009, 11:00 PM

deadline

Schmidty · 06-08-2009, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I know. But like I said, it's just jail. I just don't think it warrants the dramatics.

I'm bored.

Barkeep49 · 06-08-2009, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Unjail KWhit
Jail Pass

I decided that possibility of being cleared wasn't as great as something untoward happening to me.

06-08-2009, 10:03 PM	#351
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Oops, never mind. 11. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

06-08-2009, 10:18 PM	#364
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I'm still here and observing. I'll be in and out until deadline. About to eat dinner. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

06-08-2009, 10:53 PM	#386
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	So Pass is up one now? __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

06-08-2009, 10:54 PM	#388
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	tick tick tick __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

06-08-2009, 10:55 PM	#390
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Will the King be bold? We shall see, my subjects..... __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

06-08-2009, 10:03 PM	#352
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	The protection is a good point KWhit. I'm definitely not interested in "flooding" the jails (whatever that might mean) but I don't see any reason not to jail instead of lynch until we run across an exposed wolf. As was said, we will probably get a free scan or two out of it and that means we can buy some days back. I think we can find a way or two to check the King's loyalties, but I'll talk about that later since it won't work if the wolves scheme for it.

06-08-2009, 10:07 PM	#356
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	And I thought I was leading. Anybody have a vote count?

06-08-2009, 10:07 PM	#357
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	As of post #353 5 - Passacaglia jail - claphamsa (222), USFLTechmo (253), MartinD (261), hoopsguy (300), path (344) 7 - Barkeep jail - Lathum (177), RendeR (210), SnDvls (233), DaddyTorgo (235), saldana (278), Chief Rum (295), Danny (349) 1 - claphamsa jail - Passacaglia (238) 3 - KWhit jail - Autumn (254), Barkeep (275), Telle (321) 1 - KWhit lynch - Schmidty (298)

06-08-2009, 10:10 PM	#358
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Thanks. As is always the way with these things, I paid a lot more attention to the votes cast for me as opposed to the votes cast for others. My points on the logic of what to do with the jailed prisoners is still valid, no matter who at this point goes in. I think they should be allowed to live for a few days to see what the king finds out about them. That's a pretty cool additional seer-type ability that we should try to maximize.

06-08-2009, 10:11 PM	#359
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	What is the argument for Pass going to jail? I may have missed it in trying to catch up.

06-08-2009, 10:11 PM	#360
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Or is it just that he's another option as opposed to a runaway BK vote?

06-08-2009, 10:14 PM	#362
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I think he was just Clap's standard vote and therefore was a target to avoid a runaway.

06-08-2009, 10:24 PM	#365
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	A big part of me wants to vote for KWhit, because he seems to be okay with the idea of going to jail and I like to foster good feelings. And there doesn't really seem to be a good wolf play here unless he's The Dark One, because ultimately he's going to wind up bad - and we could find out as soon as tonight. The context of the day seems like it would make this a pretty silly sacrifice; he's not going to clear anyone. And it opens him up to all kinds of screwball breakout scenarios that aren't going to help suspicion wise. This is the problem for me - my gut tells me KWhit is on our side. Why should I put him in jail, then? If I am going to go with my best instincts then I should vote for BK/Pass, but I have no instinct on either of them and that vote feels super random. Sigh, I hate day 1.

06-08-2009, 10:29 PM	#366
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	And apparently Pass has does the same thing, just while I wasn't actively paying attention. Hrmph. Fine, I'm just going to go with the two horse race route, see if we can develop some information, because my inclinations aren't going to be much help right. VOTE JAIL PASSACAGLIA

06-08-2009, 10:31 PM	#367
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	And I'm back. Long ass day. I'll be catching up now.

06-08-2009, 10:32 PM	#368
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Apparently my voice only resonates louder than hoops when we're both saying that it's okay to vote for us. If this were Day 7 or something, I'm sure you guys would all be listening to hoops more than me.

06-08-2009, 10:32 PM	#369
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	So it looks like BK 7, Pass 6 for the jailing vote. I will throw this out, since I need to vote and don't want a tie. Vote Jail Barkeep

06-08-2009, 10:44 PM	#372
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	Vote Jail Pass Let's keep this close.

06-08-2009, 10:47 PM	#374
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	I'm a bit further along - I have typically been doing Ulduar 10 2-3 nights a week for the last month or so. Tomorrow night will probably be one of those nights, so I'll be paying a little less attention than normal.

06-08-2009, 10:47 PM	#375
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Do we know what happens if there is a tie?

06-08-2009, 10:49 PM	#378
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	If I recall, didn't dubb say he'll give the King ten minutes to decide or something?

06-08-2009, 10:49 PM	#379
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	So it's 8-7 BK?

06-08-2009, 10:50 PM	#380
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I guess the reason I ask is because, thinking of my schedule, I really won't have time to post much again tomorrow. UNVOTE CLAPHAMSA JAIL VOTE PASSACAGLIA JAIL

06-08-2009, 10:50 PM	#382
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	That said, I'm not loving that I made it a tie.

06-08-2009, 10:50 PM	#383
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Good enough, I guess. VOTE PASS JAIL

06-08-2009, 10:51 PM	#384
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Has backwards squirrel checked in yet? I don't recall seeing a post

06-08-2009, 10:52 PM	#385
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	He voted for me like 6 minutes ago, dude.

06-08-2009, 10:53 PM	#387
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Well, uh, thanks all. My only hope now is that I didn't make this a waste of a vote. But since we were all doing jail instead of lynch, there's probably not much to be gained from vote analysis...I hope?

06-08-2009, 10:57 PM	#392
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	9-8 pass?

06-08-2009, 10:58 PM	#394
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	And I don't like the jail thing (even though not having someone in jail takes away some of my power). __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

06-08-2009, 10:59 PM	#395
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Unjail KWhit Jail Pass

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