12-07-2005, 08:16 PM | #351 |
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I think the Marlins did well in the Pierre deal. He's over-rated - not a great base-stealer given his mediocre success rate, and he's been inconsistent with his OBP. Of his 5 full seasons, 2 of them have been bad and the other 3 OK. As a leadoff hitter, those 3 OK seasons have been above average, but that's all he is - a table setter. If he's not leading off an inning, he's not helping you as much.
If he's hitting for a plus-.300 average, his OBP will put him in the above-average leadoff-hitter realm, but he's never going to give you any power and his base-stealing isn't helping you much given his mediocre success rate. Add to that his fielding isn't considered to be that good and basically he's a guy that helps you only if you have a leadoff hitter need, and then only if he's hitting above .300 or so. On the flip side, the Marlins are getting some good pitching prospects. Between the 3 of those guys (with Pinto looking the best in terms of performance), they ought to get at least one average to above-average contributor. |
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Am I crazy to think that the Yanks should help LA save face by giving 'em Aaron Small and/or a couple of third-tier prospects for Milton Bradley?
If he produced .275/.360/.450 I'd be more than happy. And I think he's got two arbitration years left. Personally, I think he'd outperform those numbers. You'd just have to have enough depth to cover up for the month of injury time he's gonna have, and I think the Yanks have that depth. |
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12-07-2005, 10:24 PM | #354 |
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whoa. toronto is certainly loading up and looking to make a run at it. looks like pretty good timing too i'd say.
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I was thinking that this could be a move which eventually ends up with Wilkerson going to the Cubs. I know they were real hot on him before the Pierre move. |
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12-07-2005, 11:07 PM | #359 | |
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Maybe the Rangers would be stupid enough to take Joel Pineiro or Gil Meche and someone like Mike Morse for him? |
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12-07-2005, 11:10 PM | #361 |
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Dola - M's re-sign Jamie Moyer for $5 to $5.5M (depending on the source you believe) 1-year deal plus incentives.
He was outstanding at home and awful on the road last year, but prior to that showed no major difference in his home/road splits. Not a bad deal considering the market. We'll see if the M's try to adjust the rotation to get Moyer as many home starts as possible. |
12-08-2005, 12:24 AM | #362 |
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so i was thinking about this pierre trade a little more, and it seems one major drawback is sub-par defense. however, i think moving from the black hole that is cf in florida to wrigley can only help. he has good range and there is much less ground to cover. so i think that argument will be negated.
also, i think the notoriously slow infield grass may help pierre beat out a few more groundballs/bunts as well. i'm happy they got him, but i do fear they overpaid with some pretty good prospects.. however, after some thought it may not be as bad as i thought for the above reasons.. any thoughts? -zums |
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12-08-2005, 12:29 AM | #364 |
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he has no arm. but he was always good range-wise patrolling CF for me in MVP 2005.
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Well, on one hand..it's a GREAT trade for the Nats, as Soriano gives them a legitimate threat on the basepaths and at the plate. And that lineup was anemic last year. The deal was done, because the owners are trying to sweeten the pot for whoever buys the team. That's it and nothing else. Wilkerson is my favourite major leaguer. A great player, plays all the positions and is a team guy. I hate that the fact that they had to deal him. But it's a lopsided trade, since Soriano is obviously the better player and the Rangers got him as their MARQUEE PLAYER from Alex Rodriguez. So, when you consider that they essentially traded A-Rod for Brad Wilkerson and a spare part...that's a pretty shitty deal, even if they are saving some payroll. Each MLB team is going to make about $30 million from the sale of the Nats according to a recent report I heard. So, you have to figure that, MLB was like "deal him to the Nats" because not only did they get a reliable outfielder in return, but, they're saving money (and remember, this is the team that signed Chan Ho Park, they can use the cash) and I think that, Roger Clemens will sign with the Rangers this year. He's not going back to Houston, since they failed to offer him arbitration and he can't sign with them until May 1st. And he'll want to stay in Texas, since the Yankees can't sign him after lying about losing all that money and Boston has washed their hands clean of him - and it's far too risky for him to do it (and Beckett wants his No. 21, they should give it to him) and so...that's what I think.
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I don't know why, but I find the Rule V draft to be kindof fun since it's basically the guys that aren't quite good enough to protect. It's a real diamond-in-the-rough draft.
Unfortunately the Royals are taking the fun out of things for them (that said, they don't really need another RP so it makes sense if they can trade down, get a prospect, and still snag someone like Howard). Quote:
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Wow, they can trade Rule V picks now? I think that's dumb. In the real draft, certainly they should allow trades. But in the Rule V draft? Well..then again..the Rule V draft can be useful for some teams who covet a player or whatever.
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Just a minor FYI - it's the "Rule 5" draft. There's no need to use Roman numerals.
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It used to be the Rule V draft. Now it is the Rule 5 draft. But there was surely a time when they actually used the V for the 5.
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12-08-2005, 07:54 AM | #370 | |
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Well they can draft the player and then trade him to another team. I know the Astros took Willy Taveras from the Tribe several years ago and then traded Jeriome Robertson to the Indians so that the Astros could send Taveras down to AA Round Rock.
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With Alfonso Soriano no longer a possibility, the Dodgers are now targeting Kevin Mench in trade talks with the Rangers.
Jonathon Broxton still might be on his way to the Rangers. Fellow right-hander Chad Billingsley apparently isn't in the mix, as the Dodgers have labeled him untouchable. Dec. 8 - 4:45 am
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Uh-oh, Giants fans...
With Kevin Millwood demanding a five-year deal, the Mariners are prepared to move on to Matt Morris, the Seattle Times reports. It could just be negotiating tactics. The Mariners still look like the favorites for Millwood, although they deny that they've made a four-year, $44 million offer. Dec. 8 - 4:31 am et
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I just realized that Bobby Higginson is off the Tigers' books! It seemed like he signed a 12 year deal or something.
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Rockies acquired LHP Ray King from the Cardinals for outfielder Larry Bigbie and second baseman Aaron Miles.
King disappointed the Cardinals last season, but he still held lefties to a .214/.313/.360 line. In 2004, lefties hit .150 average and two extra-base hits in 113 at-bats against him. We like the pickup. If King pitches up to his ability, the Rockies could get a top prospect for him in July. Dec. 8 - 1:47 am et
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Newsday says the Mets and Rangers are discussing a deal sending Kris Benson to Texas for Laynce Nix and Juan Dominguez.
The Mets wouldn't seem to have a lot of use for either, but those two are still worth quite a bit more than Benson at $15 million over the next two years. Nix would probably be moved in another deal for relief help (to Florida for Ron Villone?). Dominguez could turn into a setup man if that's how the Mets elect to use him. Dec. 8 - 12:56 am et
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Braves sources told MLB.com that money is the only thing standing between Edgar Renteria and Andy Marte changing teams.
The deal remains close. According to MLB.com, the Braves could include another prospect to get the Red Sox to kick in more money. Dec. 8 - 12:10 am et
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12-08-2005, 08:44 AM | #378 |
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Yeah, 5 years later, and he would have been the first person to come up in the "did he stop taking steroids?" threads. As it is, he's just another one of those guys who, for no apparent reason, completely stopped being even remotely productive.
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No, its a frigging awful deal - Soriano had an OBP under .300 away from Texas last year, and is going to end up making $10 mil this year - which is crazy. Wilkerson is a good player, Sledge is a complementary bat, and the PTNBL is apparently one of Washington's better prospects. Its a dumbass deal, and the fact that Jim Bowden has a job should be worrysome to all. |
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I don't really like the trade for the Nats... Soriano is good, but I never really liked him but Wilkerson was and is by far my favorite player back to when he was an Expo, and I feel is really underrated. His defense was also outstanding. I liked the prospect of getting Soriano over the winter, but not now that I know Wilkie is gone...
EDIT: This could be a sort of insurance policy if Vidro is bothered by injuries and can't be the player he used to be... Left fielders are easier to come by than second basemen... Last edited by Booj : 12-08-2005 at 10:00 AM. |
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I read on another board that Detroit signed Kenny Rogers. Rotisserie chicken for everyone!
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Amazing that the Sox were criticized for signing Renteria when they had Hanley Ramirez waiting in the wings, and now they have either and need a SS. Whether that trade is good depends on how much cash the Sox are eating. Replacing Furcal at $13M for 3 years with Renteria at, say, $8 or 9M a year, isn't that bad - assuming he gets his chubby ass in shape and plays like he did with the Cardinals.
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2 Million is the Cap set by the owners for 2B, Grudz wants a 2 year $6M deal. Reasonable yes, but Jocketty was handcuffed.
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Handcuffed? Blah... I don't buy it. Now that the Burnett deal is gone, we should shore up the best DP combo in the league. What else do they want from Gruzzy? |
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You don't believe that the GM was told by the owners not to spend over $2 Million per for the 2B?
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I'm sure it could be true, but LaRussa and Walt have to sell Gruzzy to the owners. I mean damn, the guy was great at 2B. I'm just sour on what they HAVEN'T done so far. Quit being cheap and play players when they perform for your ballclub. |
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Very odd behavior, considering they're going into a new stadium, too.
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It's certainly not what anyone expected, especially after going for Burnett and even offering 4 years at $10M per. The only thing I can think of is they are going to resign Mulder and are saving some for that. Who knows what some of these people are thinking.
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They have morris on arbitration...they could be waiting to see how much that runs them before spending money elsewhere. Though letting walker, grudz, and king go would indicate they have more money lying around then they are spending.
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Ramon Hernandez to the O's a done deal pending physical. 4 years/$27 million.
Jeff Conine will also be signed. Good luck Giants fans with Steve Kline. Glad he's gone. |
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The cards just pulled a trade sending Ray King to Colorado for 2B Aaron Miles and OF Larry Bigbie. So, the addition of Miles (who hit .281 in Coors last season and makes 300K) probably means the team isn't all that interested in giving Grudz $3 million per. That may be why the team pulled out of the bidding for him.
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The M's traded C Yorvit Torrealba to Colorado yesterday for a PTBNL. That player is reportedly RP Marcos Carvajal. If so, it's a steal for the M's - Carvajal is a very nice looking young RP with great stuff and pretty good results, especially considering his age.
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I don't see any reason to pay Grudz $3 million dollars. If the Cards have proven anything the last few years, it is they can stick almost anyone at 2B and get reasonable production out of them.
I was pleasently surprised with Grudz defense last year, but he is too streaky of a hitter for my taste. Not to mention he was absolutely worthless in the post-season. I don't know much about Aaron Miles, but I have a feeling he will be reasonably productive in our offense as well. As long as he is solid with the glove I would much rather they took the 2.7 mil they saved at that position and squeezed it into the bullpen, OF, or a starting pitcher. |
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