2012 MLB Playoffs Thread: Giants Win World Series (OD is Mar 31, 2013) - Page 8

JPhillips · 10-09-2012, 11:02 PM

Latos threw under 60 pitches. Dusty should start him and then Arroyo on short rest in five if it gets that far. Leake hasn't pitched in ten days, I'd put that unknown at least level with Latos on short rest.

VPI97 · 10-09-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Latos threw under 60 pitches. Dusty should start him and then Arroyo on short rest in five if it gets that far. Leake hasn't pitched in ten days, I'd put that unknown at least level with Latos on short rest.

+1

Latos + LeCure + the rest of the pen is a better option right now than Leake and completely ruling out Cueto for the LCS (should we make it). It may seem like putting the cart before the horse, but it is what it is.

korme · 10-09-2012, 11:30 PM

korme · 10-09-2012, 11:30 PM

We lose Cueto for the NLCS if he comes off now? Holy shit that sucks.

Scoobz0202 · 10-09-2012, 11:32 PM

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We lose Cueto for the NLCS if he comes off now? Holy shit that sucks.

Yea, if Leake replaces Cueto you lose Cueto for the NLCS.

Crapshoot · 10-09-2012, 11:36 PM

Yeah, I mean I'm rooting for Leake, but Latos' career record vs the Giants:

11 GP, 74 IP, 55 K, 12 BB, and a 2.19 ERA.

kingfc22 · 10-09-2012, 11:41 PM

Yea, Latos is a Giants killer, but I'd almost rather see him pitch for the second time in a row on three days rest which is historically beneficial to the opposition and then have the Reds go to game 5 with another pitcher on short rest.

This all assumes that Cueto is out for the series if it goes 5 and if it even gets to game 5.

Vince, Pt. II · 10-10-2012, 01:06 AM

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Bochy's not really much of a bunter, to his credit , and Belt hasn't Bunted much all year. Plus, Pence was hobbled, so a bunt may move a slow Posey to 3b, but Pence was likely to be out at 2b on any bunt anyway. Also at this point, Belt is the 2nd or 3rd best "hitter" on the Giants.

There was also the idea that even if the sacrifice works, Dusty just intentionally walks Arias and you have Romo up to bat, forcing your hand to burn your last position player in Hector Sanchez and removing Romo from the game. Then that exact situation played out anyway with the passed ball, and Dusty DIDN'T walk Arias. It ended up working, because they got the ground ball...but then Rolen booted it. Still think Dusty made the wrong call there.

Butter · 10-10-2012, 07:50 AM

Plus, Latos is a cocky MF. You just KNOW he wants the ball. Whether or not he'll get results is another story, but I guarantee you he was begging for Game 4 following the game tonight.

cougarfreak · 10-10-2012, 08:08 AM

No way do I start Latos on short rest. I go somewhere else, and have Latos for game 5 on regular rest. If I have to DL Cueto, so be it. You have to get to the party to have fun, and if he can't go, he can't go.

cougarfreak · 10-10-2012, 10:21 AM

Reds just announced Leake will start today.

sterlingice · 10-10-2012, 11:25 AM

Full quadruple header baseball today

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spleen1015 · 10-10-2012, 12:11 PM

Awesome day to be a baseball fan.

Sun Tzu · 10-10-2012, 12:17 PM

With a win today, Zito can make a lot of Giants fans forget some of his earlier years in SF.

Vince, Pt. II · 10-10-2012, 01:07 PM

Bochy benched Belt. Un-fucking-believable. He might be your second best hitter, dumbass.

kingfc22 · 10-10-2012, 01:23 PM

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Bochy benched Belt. Un-fucking-believable. He might be your second best hitter, dumbass.

Thanks for ruining my morning.

spleen1015 · 10-10-2012, 01:28 PM

Go Reds

kingfc22 · 10-10-2012, 01:28 PM

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Thanks for ruining my morning.

Of course, Sanchez will go 3 for 4 and Bochy will look like a genius now.

At least that is what I'm going to keep telling myself up until game time.

Easy Mac · 10-10-2012, 01:46 PM

Pretty sure Kozma's home run should have been ruled an infield fly.

Karlifornia · 10-10-2012, 02:20 PM

Belt doesn't really make it move for me yet. Besides, bochy has done this Sanchez thing all year. You think he's gonna stop now? He's a creature of habit. Just keep calm and enjoy the ride.

Vince, Pt. II · 10-10-2012, 04:05 PM

That was a phenomenal National Anthem prior to the Reds/Giants game.

Scoobz0202 · 10-10-2012, 04:37 PM

Mike Leake. God damn it.

sterlingice · 10-10-2012, 04:40 PM

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Mike Leake. God damn it.

Nothing like a bad pitcher to wake up the Giants offense? Not only that but Giants fans can hate it because Sanchez got a hit and scored on the Gregor Blanco (WTF) home run

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sterlingice · 10-10-2012, 04:41 PM

I kindof liked Blanco when he was with KC- seemed like a decent CF who could draw a walk. But he also seemed like an extreme slappy, someone who might get 5 homers a year tops.

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rowech · 10-10-2012, 04:51 PM

Has anyone asked Dusty/Jockety why they felt the need to have Valdez and Cairo on the roster instead of having a fifth starter just in case of situations like this? I know Cueto wouldn't be pitching and it probably isn't going to matter anyway but the idea they wouldn't have him in the LCS is poor.

kingfc22 · 10-10-2012, 04:52 PM

At least Washington can rely on Strasburg errrr.....

MizzouRah · 10-10-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Bochy's not really much of a bunter, to his credit , and Belt hasn't Bunted much all year. Plus, Pence was hobbled, so a bunt may move a slow Posey to 3b, but Pence was likely to be out at 2b on any bunt anyway. Also at this point, Belt is the 2nd or 3rd best "hitter" on the Giants.

Yeah they said he didn't have one SB all year.

MizzouRah · 10-10-2012, 04:55 PM

Cardinals Cardinals Cardinals!

You gotta love Carpenter.. and this Rosenthal kid has a bright future!

One more win boys!

Marmel · 10-10-2012, 04:56 PM

Playoff baseball is so messed up in that a bobbled ball by Rolen can turn this whole series around. It would not be surprising to see the Giants win this thing now.

sterlingice · 10-10-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmel

Playoff baseball is so messed up in that a bobbled ball by Rolen can turn this whole series around. It would not be surprising to see the Giants win this thing now.

That's baseball in a nutshell, tho, isn't it?

That said, with Barry Zito on the mound for San Fran, I don't think Reds fans should pack it in yet.

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tarcone · 10-10-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Cardinals Cardinals Cardinals!

You gotta love Carpenter.. and this Rosenthal kid has a bright future!

One more win boys!

Offense is clicking.
Pitching outstanding.

Great win today.

kingfc22 · 10-10-2012, 05:36 PM

This has the pace of a Yankees/Red Sox game without the 25 runs.

kingfc22 · 10-10-2012, 05:38 PM

On a side note, have the home plate umps in the other three series been as brutal as the guys in the Reds/Giants series?

These guys have no clue of the strike zone or how to make a consistent call.

sterlingice · 10-10-2012, 05:44 PM

Yankees-Orioles but that's probably just NY bias

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kingfc22 · 10-10-2012, 05:54 PM

Timmy comes up with the huge K. Hopefully the Giants can get to 5 or 6 runs as I think that is what it will take to get the W today.

JPhillips · 10-10-2012, 06:11 PM

Still think Latos would have been a better choice.

Scoobz0202 · 10-10-2012, 06:14 PM

Baseball is stupid

kingfc22 · 10-10-2012, 06:41 PM

Woohoo!!! Panda just CRUSHED that one.

cuervo72 · 10-10-2012, 06:46 PM

Apologies to fans of the respective teams, but these playoffs are going to suck in a hurry if it boils down to DET/NYY/STL/SF.

JPhillips · 10-10-2012, 06:47 PM

The only good news is that both Leake and Dondo should be off limits tomorrow.

Topic for future discussion: Who bombed worse, Obama or Reds?

JPhillips · 10-10-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

Apologies to fans of the respective teams, but these playoffs are going to suck in a hurry if it boils down to DET/NYY/STL/SF.

A StL Series win would be worse than I can imagine.

kingfc22 · 10-10-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

The only good news is that both Leake and Dondo should be off limits tomorrow.

Topic for future discussion: Who bombed worse, Obama or Reds?

Barring a late comeback, you have the Giants killer in Latos on the mound tomorrow plus a day game where the ball will likely carry which is not good news for Cain who is a flyball pitcher.

Still ain't over.

rowech · 10-10-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Barring a late comeback, you have the Giants killer in Latos on the mound tomorrow plus a day game where the ball will likely carry which is not good news for Cain who is a flyball pitcher.

Still ain't over.

It's over. All about momentum at this point and the Reds have -20.

cougarfreak · 10-10-2012, 08:18 PM

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It's over. All about momentum at this point and the Reds have -20.

Horseshit. It's man-o vs. man-o tomorrow. Latos and Cain. Go Reds.

rowech · 10-10-2012, 08:26 PM

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Horseshit. It's man-o vs. man-o tomorrow. Latos and Cain. Go Reds.

I hope you're right. Everyone around me saying they'll win tomorrow but I just don't see it.

Vince, Pt. II · 10-10-2012, 08:27 PM

Very far from over. Timmy making a statement...wonder how his not being in the rotation will affect negotiations on an extension next season.

Sun Tzu · 10-10-2012, 08:44 PM

What a game...and what's odd is, this kind of performance is classic 2012 Giants. Get swept at home, scoring next to zero runs, and then go on a massive tear for a week and a half. The Giants on the road this year, when they got hot, were near unstoppable. If Cain and Co. can hold the reds to 3 or less, I think the Giants have the game in the bag.

sterlingice · 10-10-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

It's over. All about momentum at this point and the Reds have -20.

Bah. What's the old saying about momentum in baseball being the next day's starting pitcher?

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sterlingice · 10-10-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

Apologies to fans of the respective teams, but these playoffs are going to suck in a hurry if it boils down to DET/NYY/STL/SF.

Agreed

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korme · 10-10-2012, 08:51 PM

I'm in row's boat. Everyone is so optimistic, and that just annoys me and I dismiss them as fairweather fans. I know baseball. I know the odds of lighting up Cain 2 starts in a row is very unlikely. We're hitting ok still, but not with RISP. Like 9 LOB after 4 innings? Give me a break. Same shit all season. Squandering our chances.

I'm not ready for baseball to be over tomorrow.

10-09-2012, 11:02 PM	#351
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Latos threw under 60 pitches. Dusty should start him and then Arroyo on short rest in five if it gets that far. Leake hasn't pitched in ten days, I'd put that unknown at least level with Latos on short rest. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

10-09-2012, 11:41 PM	#357
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Yea, Latos is a Giants killer, but I'd almost rather see him pitch for the second time in a row on three days rest which is historically beneficial to the opposition and then have the Reds go to game 5 with another pitcher on short rest. This all assumes that Cueto is out for the series if it goes 5 and if it even gets to game 5. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-10-2012, 07:50 AM	#359
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Plus, Latos is a cocky MF. You just KNOW he wants the ball. Whether or not he'll get results is another story, but I guarantee you he was begging for Game 4 following the game tonight. __________________ My listening habits

10-10-2012, 08:08 AM	#360
cougarfreak College Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)	No way do I start Latos on short rest. I go somewhere else, and have Latos for game 5 on regular rest. If I have to DL Cueto, so be it. You have to get to the party to have fun, and if he can't go, he can't go. __________________ “I don’t like the Cubs,” Joey Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back."

10-10-2012, 10:21 AM	#361
cougarfreak College Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)	Reds just announced Leake will start today. __________________ “I don’t like the Cubs,” Joey Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back."

10-09-2012, 11:30 PM	#353
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	W

10-09-2012, 11:30 PM	#354
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	We lose Cueto for the NLCS if he comes off now? Holy shit that sucks.

10-09-2012, 11:36 PM	#356
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Yeah, I mean I'm rooting for Leake, but Latos' career record vs the Giants: 11 GP, 74 IP, 55 K, 12 BB, and a 2.19 ERA.

10-10-2012, 11:25 AM	#362
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Full quadruple header baseball today SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-10-2012, 12:11 PM	#363
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Awesome day to be a baseball fan. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

10-10-2012, 12:17 PM	#364
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	With a win today, Zito can make a lot of Giants fans forget some of his earlier years in SF. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

10-10-2012, 01:07 PM	#365
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Bochy benched Belt. Un-fucking-believable. He might be your second best hitter, dumbass.

10-10-2012, 01:28 PM	#367
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Go Reds __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

10-10-2012, 01:46 PM	#369
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Pretty sure Kozma's home run should have been ruled an infield fly.

10-10-2012, 02:20 PM	#370
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Belt doesn't really make it move for me yet. Besides, bochy has done this Sanchez thing all year. You think he's gonna stop now? He's a creature of habit. Just keep calm and enjoy the ride. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

10-10-2012, 04:05 PM	#371
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	That was a phenomenal National Anthem prior to the Reds/Giants game.

10-10-2012, 04:37 PM	#372
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Mike Leake. God damn it.

10-10-2012, 04:41 PM	#374
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I kindof liked Blanco when he was with KC- seemed like a decent CF who could draw a walk. But he also seemed like an extreme slappy, someone who might get 5 homers a year tops. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-10-2012, 04:51 PM	#375
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	Has anyone asked Dusty/Jockety why they felt the need to have Valdez and Cairo on the roster instead of having a fifth starter just in case of situations like this? I know Cueto wouldn't be pitching and it probably isn't going to matter anyway but the idea they wouldn't have him in the LCS is poor.

10-10-2012, 04:52 PM	#376
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	At least Washington can rely on Strasburg errrr..... __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal Last edited by kingfc22 : 10-10-2012 at 06:32 PM.

10-10-2012, 04:55 PM	#378
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Cardinals Cardinals Cardinals! You gotta love Carpenter.. and this Rosenthal kid has a bright future! One more win boys!

10-10-2012, 04:56 PM	#379
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	Playoff baseball is so messed up in that a bobbled ball by Rolen can turn this whole series around. It would not be surprising to see the Giants win this thing now. __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

10-10-2012, 05:36 PM	#382
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	This has the pace of a Yankees/Red Sox game without the 25 runs. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-10-2012, 05:38 PM	#383
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	On a side note, have the home plate umps in the other three series been as brutal as the guys in the Reds/Giants series? These guys have no clue of the strike zone or how to make a consistent call. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-10-2012, 05:44 PM	#384
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Yankees-Orioles but that's probably just NY bias SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 10-10-2012 at 05:44 PM.

10-10-2012, 05:54 PM	#385
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Timmy comes up with the huge K. Hopefully the Giants can get to 5 or 6 runs as I think that is what it will take to get the W today. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-10-2012, 06:11 PM	#386
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Still think Latos would have been a better choice. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

10-10-2012, 06:14 PM	#387
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Baseball is stupid

10-10-2012, 06:41 PM	#388
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Woohoo!!! Panda just CRUSHED that one. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-10-2012, 06:46 PM	#389
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Apologies to fans of the respective teams, but these playoffs are going to suck in a hurry if it boils down to DET/NYY/STL/SF. __________________ null

10-10-2012, 06:47 PM	#390
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The only good news is that both Leake and Dondo should be off limits tomorrow. Topic for future discussion: Who bombed worse, Obama or Reds? __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

10-10-2012, 08:27 PM	#396
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Very far from over. Timmy making a statement...wonder how his not being in the rotation will affect negotiations on an extension next season.

10-10-2012, 08:44 PM	#397
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	What a game...and what's odd is, this kind of performance is classic 2012 Giants. Get swept at home, scoring next to zero runs, and then go on a massive tear for a week and a half. The Giants on the road this year, when they got hot, were near unstoppable. If Cain and Co. can hold the reds to 3 or less, I think the Giants have the game in the bag. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

10-10-2012, 08:51 PM	#400
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	I'm in row's boat. Everyone is so optimistic, and that just annoys me and I dismiss them as fairweather fans. I know baseball. I know the odds of lighting up Cain 2 starts in a row is very unlikely. We're hitting ok still, but not with RISP. Like 9 LOB after 4 innings? Give me a break. Same shit all season. Squandering our chances. I'm not ready for baseball to be over tomorrow.

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